Exactly how well is the new iPad selling?
0. phoneArena 09 Apr 2012, 17:12 posted on
How well (or poorly) is the new iPad selling? With numbers released today we can estimate that Apple is moving around 170,000 units a day...
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1. toaster (Posts: 114; Member since: 13 Sep 2011)
This conflicts with the article posted earlier today, as I thought it would. I didn't think that the new iPad would become stagnant so fast, as the earlier article stated.
4. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
I kind of figured the same thing as well. Not only because it's a rumor not ascribed to any solid source, but because we saw this earlier. The rumor was the iPad wasn't selling well because the lines at the store were short and iPads were readily available. Everyone jumped on, only to find out the iPad had record sales. I feel like the same thing will result with this one. Especially since Apple started selling it to even more countries on March 23.
Apple rumors suck because anyone can start them. Convince enough bloggers that the iPhone will have a 5in screen and you've got yourself your own rumor to be proud of. And I wonder if this should make us even more cautious. I love me some Apple rumors, but you have that human desire to be famous. What if someone just cooked up this hoax to see what reaction they got. Remember that rumor that Steve Jobs died? That effected the stock market. We have to be careful about the rumors we listen to.
This could definitely be true or false. We won't know until we get Apple's quarterly results. But one thing I wish folks would do is stock cherry picking their rumors. That last rumor got a ton of negative posts without folks even questioning authenticity. Apple does well...where is the proof? Apple does terrible...GOSPEL no matter the source.
5. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I know I was one of those who questioned just how accurate that chart was in that article. The article in general.
One thing I do know....most other manufactures would kill to have what some consider sluggish Apple sales...
Love me some Android....but I try to look at the whole picture.
13. Scott_H (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Oct 2011)
To be fair, I don't think this really contradicts this morning's article (which I referenced); It appears that Apple and Foxconn may have geared up for even bigger sales numbers, so Foxconn probably is shifting production elsewhere.
I just wanted to look at hard numbers and then discuss "disappointing" against "still good". If you won the lottery but found out that after taxes your $10 million is really only about $6 million, you might be disappointed, but your friends would still be happy to point out what a lucky bastard you really are.
14. remixfa (Posts: 14223; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
good article, but the only thing that i take issue is with the long term prediction. in order to hit those numbers, you have to predict a steady sales line for the rest of the year. Thats not going to happen. It NEVER happens in the fast paced world of electronics. Because of apple's general singular sales cycle, its sales chart is a reverse hockey stick. It has an initial sharp rise followed by a long slow decline. While any one device might not sell as well as the ipad due to having more options, iOS is losing market share decidedly quickly in the tablet war. Android is gaining momentum and when WP8 comes out, that could be a complete paradigm shift if MS does it right. Desktop mode is very alluring.
All those are negative sales affectors for the ipad which make the prediction of a flat line sales very unlikely.
Regardless of "dissapointing" or not, Apple is rolling it all the way to the bank.
20. Scott_H (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Oct 2011)
You know, I actually modeled some decay curves for electronics sales (yes, really), but the iPad as a whole has defied them so far. It took almost a year to sell 15 million, but by the end of the second fiscal year they had sold 50 million. The rate of sales of the new iPad is higher than either previous model (both of which increased sales over time). Yet your model is that we should now assume that this trend will reverse itself over the course of the year. It may well turn out to be true, but in the end I couldn't model my numbers against the last two years of sales trends. The holidays, in particular, tend to help bolster sales numbers against any drops in the fall.
I wont' say you're wrong - if it were an iPhone you'd certainly be correct. But the "post PC" market is expanding, which so far has allowed iPads to escape the usual decline curve. Maybe pricing pressure will change that this time around, but if I had to bet I wouldn't peg anything below 45 million at this point.
Note: The only Apple product I own is an iPod touch. I'm only concerned with historical sales trends here, not promoting one platform or another.
24. remixfa (Posts: 14223; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
very true. But until recently the ipad hasnt really had any competition. With the fire coming out and swiping a lot of sales and android/ICS tabs and WP8 tablets coming out, I think the game is changing. Of course, we wont know until we see some numbers. The one thing that is true is that android caught up quickly (and should just have about surpassed ipads at this point in market share).
If they are both growing in sales because the market is still exploding or if android is eating into apple's sales is yet to be seen.
28. PhoneLuver (Posts: 474; Member since: 05 Jul 2010)
I have an iPhone4 and an iPad2. I haven't seen the need to upgrade to the iPhone 4S nor do I see the need to upgrade to the new iPad. The difference between these devices is just too small to justify the cost. Secondly I'm looking at what Samsung can offer with the S3 as well as considering a WP8 transformer type device once it's launched. I've said this many times before, the iPad just isn't a productivity device! You need to have USB ports to share business presentations, homework etc..
29. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
lol they put you in your place remix.. lol..
30. remixfa (Posts: 14223; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
did u read?
a) im having a discussion with scott, not an arguement about the merits of future prediction. Thats what civilized non mega fanboy peeps do.
b) sure sounds like phoneluver is proving my points about people doing multi-iOS upgrades and now looking for something new.
c) wheres my place exactly? :)
34. Scott_H (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Oct 2011)
I agree that the iPad's market share will continue to drop, even if it manages to increase sales month over month (on average). The tablet computing market seems to be expanding faster than iPad sales (no real surprise, since price point is now helping to drive adoption), so Apple never really had a shot at maintaining 50%+ market share in the long run with the iPad.
If Apple is smart they'll market an aggressively priced ~7" iPad Mini (or whatever) this fall, but they may have to start choosing between profit margins and market share, and that's never been their strength.
Either way, it'll be interesting to watch.
And yeah, to people making this into a competition or something - it's just data; remixfa hasn't made it personal whether he agrees or disagrees, so we can all put on our big boy (or girl) pants and have an adult conversation I'd like to think.
36. remixfa (Posts: 14223; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
apple has pretty consistently chosen margins over share. I'll never understand the alure with the price. Yea, a lot of their stuff works well if you dont mind the lack of full control, but you are talking double the price point for the same hardware. Its just like their PC side. An apple computer with the same intel equipment as a PC sells for nearly 2x as much. Good for them for keeping such a strong brand identity, because thats the main selling point. If they ever lost that, they would be sunk.. for real.
39. Xennex1170 (Posts: 3; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Only problem with that scenario is that unless Apple keeps the display resolution the same as either the iPad1/2 or 'new' iPad, developers will have to code for yet another resolution that will cause Apps to get yet larger than now. As it is, in some cases 'upgrading' an App from iPad1/2 to 'new' iPad retina display causes the App all iPads download to double or more in size.
2. joey18 (Posts: 560; Member since: 20 Jul 2010)
I think the ipad is nice but is overpriced my ipad cost me 800 and i still paying my credict card so if i get ipad my choice will be the galaxy note is phone and table 2. Things at the time
12. nark_59 (Posts: 3; Member since: 09 Apr 2012)
If you think it's overpriced then why did you buy it..Its hardly rational to buy something that you do not need (argue this all you like but its a fact..no one needs an ipad it's a luxury product) when you think its overpriced and don't even have the money so you use credit. This is exactly what apple do to you, it's like the steve jobs "reality distortion field" has been instilled into the very essence of apple and you are caught right in it.
21. Scott_H (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Oct 2011)
Eh, a lot of people have gotten rich by selling people things they don't need. No reason to call a consumer out over it.
23. nark_59 (Posts: 3; Member since: 09 Apr 2012)
that's not the point i was making. Everyone who buys an iPad is buying something they don't need. The point i was making is that he bought it on credit and is still paying it back yet complains that it was overpriced... how does that make any rational sense. I might like a new TV even though I don't need one, but if I have to borrow the money and pay back with interest I can't then complain about the price of the thing..I shouldn't have bought it.
25. remixfa (Posts: 14223; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i do agree its ridiculous to buy something you dont really need and obviously cant afford if your throwing it on credit and then whining about it.
There is a reason we are in a credit crunch.....
27. greathero1 (Posts: 505; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
So this only happens for people buying Apple products? Lol, I hope you are not serious because this happens across all electronic devices, furniture, or any other consumer good. Most of the things we buy, we don't need. My addiction to new phones led me to buy about 3 phones per year for the past 3 years. They were all Android phones so I guess I am in "Andy Rubin's reality distorted field?" GTFOH lol!
31. remixfa (Posts: 14223; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no, it definitely happens with everything. we all want more than we have. we are told to do that from birth with all the advertisements as well as personal jealousy about what others have that you dont.
35. nark_59 (Posts: 3; Member since: 09 Apr 2012)
Where did I say it only happens to people buying apple products? Obviously it happens to everyone in different sectors. But if you read steve jobs autobiography you would know what I'm taking about.. no-one does marketing like a apple does, and no-one is as effective as apple is at it partly due to product but a lot of it is to do with the "magical illusion" they create around all of their products.
People are not buying 3 android phones a year en mass - that's just YOU. However a lot of people would buy 2 iphones a year if their old one became outdated just because it's apple and its new. I know people who have had an iphone 4 on contract for a few months and we actually so desperate for the 4s that they were prepared to pay off their entire two year contract.. android has the market share but it doesn't have the same kind of effect on the general public - that's not a good or bad thing its just an observation
3. jove39 (Posts: 1361; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Those numbers are way better than any other tablet out there. And if Apple want people to cross shop...just install os x on iPad and I might consider buying it!
6. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
i would sure hope ipad 2 owners are not upgrading... there is not a need too-- apple products last a long time.. i dont think they are really targeting for a year-after-year refresh cycle eitherr
9. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
i think many new comers and ipad 1 owners are the majority buyers of the ipad ''3''...the ipad2 is still a great tablet and for them the ipad ''3'' is not a big enough difference...if i was an ipad2 owner i would probably not upgrade as the ipad 2 has more than enough legs to last another year if not longer...will say the new screen does look awesome...personally dont need a tablet,as i would use it for just browsing and nothing beats browsing on a tablet but thats not worth shelling out £400+. if the rumoured nexus tablet does come at £200 or below then i might go for it but anymore than i will just stick to browsing on my s2(s3 when available)
7. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
It was obvious that the new iPad is selling well. That other article was just a guess and nothing official.
10. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
if selling 5+million tablets a month means not selling well lol then you need to create a new word for how terrible all the other tablets are doing
18. frydaexiii (Posts: 1241; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
Haha, I love how you 2 iFans are trapped talking in your own fantasy world here.
22. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
iPad sold 5 million in one month. Tell me how exactly am I in a fantasy world.
32. remixfa (Posts: 14223; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
and it still lost marketshare to android.
you inuts need to get off single device sales and realize
1) its about OS proliferation, not the device. Developers dont get a rats butt about the device as long as it can run well in the OS version. AKA, 4.0+ iOS compatibility, 2.2+ android compatibility.
2) if there were 20 ipad options available like there are with android, sales would be spread out more. Counting high iOS sales is a farce because if you want the latest and greatest you have NO choice in the matter. With android there are lots of choices, hence lower sales per choice, yet higher over all sales for the OS.
but hey, hold on to that sales mantra if thats all you have. I dont know why you cling to it so tightly, its not like your getting paid per ipad sale. lol
11. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
Nice pic!!! That's the best depiction of an iSh**p so far...lmao!!!
15. kcombs (Posts: 254; Member since: 15 Dec 2010)
If you own an iPad 2 there is no reason to upgrade. Not much of a real difference in the 3, aside from the screen. The only reason I purchased the 3 is simple, this is my first iPad. I agree with everyone, not many people are upgrading from the 2; it's mainly the iPad 1 and people new to the iPad.
16. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6802; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
Some people finally realize nothing really change since the 2nd gen. all they do is add a higher resolution
17. GoodFella (Posts: 112; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
In know in my store, we had a lot more in stock at the initial release than we did during the iPad 2 release... we didn't sell out the first day, yet there was a longer line.
19. xtian1103 (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
well it's just normal for apple to sell 5 million new ipad units a month. it's the analysts' higher expectations that causes news for a dismal sales! this shouldn't be news at all! now if android tablets are selling those kind of numbers then it's news worthy cause it never happened before
38. Xennex1170 (Posts: 3; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Assuming the 60 million to date for all iPads is correct, that would mean averaging slightly under 2.5 million a month over 25 months.
26. ZetanAlaz (Posts: 14; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)
but iClicked just for the Smeagol...
33. phonemonkey (Posts: 168; Member since: 13 Feb 2012)
One year you see a tick
One year you see a tock
This was not meant to persuade every iPad 2 user to upgrade
It was simply a "tock" on the cycle
Bolstering the iPad reputation with a break through in screen size and speed.
Persuading android tablet users to quit wasting their money on android products and purchase something that isn't cheap and flimsy and going to break.
We have never replaced an iPad charge port
Cant tell you how many android tablet users want to repair their product, yet we apologize and explain to them that they wasted their money once again for being cheap
37. Xennex1170 (Posts: 3; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
"That would imply that the 3 million new iPads sold the first weekend were 5% of iPads everywhere, and some simple math says in mid-March there would have been around 60 million iPads in the wild."
Does that 60 million include iPads that have been replaced due to damage or manufacturing defect, may no longer be in use (e.g. iPad 1), and iPads 1, 2, 'new' shipped but not yet sold via 3rd party vendors? Still an impressive number though.
I think there are a lot of factors this time around that prevent the sales of 'new' iPad from being as high as some would expect. The factors that I see are 1) Selling the iPad2 which is not that much worse than the new 'iPad' at the same time will eat into potential new iPad sales. 2) Current iPad2 owners seeing no reason to update yet, especially in Countries outside of U.S. and Canada where their 4G LTE is not compatible with the 'new' iPad. 3) Many alternative tablets some better, some worse than the iPad family at more reasonable cost for what users will actually use them for. 4) Trademark problems in China that may in the worst case possibly end up with the Trademark Agreement becoming void and Apple having to do one or more of change the device name, pay 'damages', face import/export restrictions in China.