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Ex-Nokia chairman admits: "we were not successful in using Microsoft's OS"

0. phoneArena 17 Oct 2013, 08:42 posted on

An ex-Nokia chairman who was involved in the process of selecting the new Nokia chief executive officer in 2010 claims Stephen Elop wasn’t the company’s first choice…

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posted on 17 Oct 2013, 08:46 29

1. pokharkarsaga (Posts: 385; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


Even if MS acquires nokia,still Wp will fail .Wp team is the laziest team.

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 08:52 16

4. roldefol (Posts: 4332; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


MS has a big problem in my mind: It's still MS. Apple may not be cool anymore among the tech geek elite, but it's still "cool" in the consumer market. Microsoft on the other hand was always something you used because there was no other viable option. Once that appeared in the form of Android, it was curtains for WM, and WP8 has a crap ton of catching up to do.

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 09:49 4

21. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)


It won't be long, Microsoft's days with a monopoly on windows are numbered and they know it. Soon it will be all about open source OS using Linux on desktops, Ubuntu is better than windows all it is missing is the amount of developer support windows has.

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 10:45 3

38. roldefol (Posts: 4332; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


With Apple looking to unify its Mac and iOS devices - possibly with unified apps - could Android do the same thing and push into desktops and laptops?

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 11:42 6

47. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


only thing Linux is miising is everything good about window and i mean EVERYTHING from windows. i know i am a developer in linux kernel but i prefer windows to start kernel projects. to hell with its openess its totally crap for simple users and especially any GPU related activities.OPEN is not always best.

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 15:31 1

54. Tommy1960i (Posts: 119; Member since: 11 Oct 2013)


WP fails because of the small number of apps in the windows marketplace mobile. In many countries wndows is and will be for a while the most popult computer OS because the Apple's Macs are too expensive and I don't imagine a PC with android OS. Lets keep android out of that. I don't want to have Android powered computers, clothes, watches, cars, houses etc. :)

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 17:27

59. amasog (Posts: 351; Member since: 22 Aug 2013)


"... Linux on desktops,"

Dreaming is free!! LOL!

posted on 18 Oct 2013, 02:33

66. Snoobab (Posts: 175; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)


Well said. I think this is Microsoft's biggest problem.

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 09:21 4

15. timukh (Posts: 295; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


I know they take a lot of time to release improvements but one of the main reasons for that is they make improvements for everybody. Even a $120 phone (520) is receiving continuous updates like GDR2, GDR3, wp 8.1 and more! Can u imagine that in any other OS? So it takes a lot of time to build the software because it has to run even on 512mb ram and receive further updates which is kind of impossible for android. I am not a wp fan or android hater (i own an xperia) but this is the main reason of their delays and most of the people dont really take this into account.

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 09:23 4

16. rms.max (Posts: 95; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


THEY should have gone to android in 2011.The immature , less capable (no 1080p & sd800 deviece till today) Wp OS & evil BAllmar killed nokia. M$ bought it around a third of Nokia’s value in 2010. A great game played by M$.Nokia could surely defeat sammy back in 2011.great mistake by nokia's foolish board members to trust MS & put all money on wp .

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 09:33 5

19. roldefol (Posts: 4332; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


I don't buy the argument that Nokia only needed Android to win. Samsung already had a ton of momentum from the Galaxy S, and that started mid-2010. By then, Nokia was already heading south, and in the US none of our carriers even sold Nokia smartphones. They would have had to abandon MeeGo and adopt Android much, much earlier (2009) to get ahead of the game.

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 09:55 5

27. rms.max (Posts: 95; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


Look at the profit margin of sammy and nokia back in 2010 in phone bussiness. nokia was ahead.they had more money. well, Even if nokia adopted android in mid-2010 they don't go broke like today .They had enough money to at least survive , if they adopted android.Don't you think US carriers would sold more nokia's android smartphone back in 2011?When they abandon MeeGo and adopted wp,nokia begun to make loss,From Profit to loss.

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 10:04 7

29. roldefol (Posts: 4332; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


The profit-to-loss trend was already underway. They didn't decline because of WP, they declined because they took too long to take ANY action in the face of Apple-Android competition. MeeGo could have saved the company if it had been introduced in say 2007-2008, before the rise of Android.

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 10:41 4

37. threed61 (Posts: 207; Member since: 27 May 2011)


Good point. And they couldn't take action because of a massive and Balkanized structure that fought over every little decision. Even the phones that were released were behind the times because of the beaurocracy. After years of development Maemo/Meego had only a few apps. It was the corporate structure itself that needed change. Elop certainly did that.

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 11:46 2

48. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


i agree Time of N8 was the right time for Actual N9 and Meegoo release

posted on 18 Oct 2013, 00:26 1

65. rms.max (Posts: 95; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)


roldefol, All I wanted to say is that,wp was the last nail to the coffin .Wp destroyed nokia's last chance of survival .I agree with you,they made 100s of mistakes.
+1020 to you.

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 09:53

25. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)


All they care bout is NOKIA making money selling their handsets instead of m$ focusing on rebuilding their WINDOWS OS.

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 10:27 9

32. akki20892 (Posts: 3901; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


True if Nokia put more pressure on Maemo in 2006 there will be no iPhone and and no galaxy.

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 08:47 8

2. mottykels (Posts: 385; Member since: 15 May 2013)


My faith is still for M.S :) what ever happen

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 08:54 9

5. Kishin (Posts: 705; Member since: 30 May 2013)


M.S still very cool looking

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 08:54 13

6. brar.arsh (Posts: 201; Member since: 12 Sep 2012)


Really? Do they pay you?

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 11:48

49. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


i guess they do pay for employees dont know about google cuz they givening everything for free NOT

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 09:08 11

11. fouadqr (Posts: 326; Member since: 21 Nov 2012)


My faith is still for NOKIA :) what ever happen

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 09:50 2

23. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)


Some of the people who made Nokia good left and formed newkia to make Nokia like devices that run android.

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 10:27 2

33. StreetNerd (Posts: 821; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)


My faith is still for NOKIA :) what ever happen

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 08:52 1

3. Kishin (Posts: 705; Member since: 30 May 2013)


Nothin to say cause it would not change anything

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 08:59 9

7. veer.d (Posts: 88; Member since: 12 Jul 2013)


biggest mistake of nokia to not release the prototype of around 2004 which are miles ahead of iphone.
Nokia waste a lot of time on market analysis like they did with tablet and on the other hand samsung takes the risks and just go ahead like the NOTE THE PHABLET so they are successful

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 09:49 2

22. Stoli89 (Posts: 333; Member since: 28 Jun 2010)


Nokia's made a few big mistakes. Allowing the N97 out the door with extremely poor specs at a time when the iPhone was gaining traction. This was a terrible error in terms of image/branding. In addition, to allow Symbian and Maemo/Meego teams to compete for resources...management should've laid down the law early and with clarity. Nokia also erred in not promoting touch based UI's very early in Symbian's development (2004 ish). Nokia should've also avoided the tie-up with Intel (Meego) and pursued Maemo with vigor. Given the series of prior errors, Nokia should've pursued Android in the USA while it continued to build out its Meego ecosystem...making sure to tie Qt to both OS's. This would've helped build brand equity in the USA, while accelerating Meego's own developer base. Lastly, the burning platform memo should never have been published...killing off its cash cow in the middle of a turnaround was suicidal. Elop should've been fired for that move. IMHO.

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 11:30 1

46. ˇಠ_ಠˇ (Posts: 40; Member since: 29 Aug 2012)


Cough... Dell Streak... cough. #SamsungcopiedDell

posted on 17 Oct 2013, 11:51

51. AliNSiddiqui (Posts: 382; Member since: 19 Sep 2012)


The whole S Pen thing is why Note succeeded

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