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Elop chose Windows Phone because it gave Nokia a "key point of differentiation"

0. phoneArena 02 Mar 2013, 21:23 posted on

Nokia CEO Stephen Elop is always pretty good for a generic marketing quote, and he definitely gave a few of those in a recent interview with Bloomberg. But, this time Elop also gave a couple of more interesting generic quotes, one of which was to say that Nokia chose Windows Phone because it gave Nokia a "key point of differentiation"...

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posted on 03 Mar 2013, 16:11

128. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


No worries, my autocorrect has been intrusive today as well (though typing long paragraphs and not reviewing before posting doesn't help much either)

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 17:22 1

131. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I feel your pain man, I feel your pain

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 21:58 1

8. urtard (banned) (Posts: 82; Member since: 30 Jan 2013)


Completely wrong.

If Nokia made Android phones, they would get cannibalized by just like every other Android manufacturers by Samsung.

Nobody else gives a cr@p about Windows Phone. HTC and Samsung makes perhaps 1 or 2 Windows Phones, just to shut Microsoft up. Samsung doesn't even care about the Ativ S.

Elop made a risky decision choosing Windows Phone, but it was pretty much the only option for them. They may do well in the short run but if in the long run, every other manufacturers start making Windows Phones, that's when they are truly boned; they would need some exclusivity with Windows Phone to last in the long run. If Nokia apps on Windows Phone are only available on Nokia models, then that's exactly what they need.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:02 5

11. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


urtard, where di you get the impression that Nokia was going to be outgunned by other lesser OEM's, such as LG, SONY, and HTC. Nokia phones have better durability and design than Samsung, and never mind the others. I think you're out of your mind thinking that the plastic crap being sold by the other vendors is going to doom Nokia's products. Stop living in the past...

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:07 3

15. urtard (banned) (Posts: 82; Member since: 30 Jan 2013)


Butthurt fanboys can't reason. You're the one out of your mind if you think Nokia would stand a chance in the Android turf, when existing competitors are having a hard time as it is. Also, Nokia also makes "plastic crap".

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:24 3

22. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


urtard, I have no clue what wtf you think constitutes quality in terms of smartphones, but your're clearly on something if you think that Nokia is lacking in quality. A durable polycarbonate shell (such as found on the Lumia 920) is not the same thing as a plastic phone that easily falls apart. Stop talking about things that you have no clue about...

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:32 1

25. urtard (banned) (Posts: 82; Member since: 30 Jan 2013)


Polycarbonate is plastic lol and just about every manufacturers use "polycarbonate". Do you even know what you're getting at?

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:40 3

28. papss (unregistered)


You clearly have no idea.. There are higher grades of polycarbonate such as the lumia and there are really cheap plastic/polycarbonate such as the S3

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:11 1

46. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


But Polycarbonate on Windows is better than Cheap Plastic on Android at least as of now from market share point of view :D

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:46 1

31. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


urtard, compared to my Lumia 920, your smartphone camera sucks. I really don't care what other non-Nokia smartphone you have, because your cam sucks the big one. I'll bet the audio and signal quality of my Lumia is better than your phone as well...

Nokia is only second to Apple in terms of quality, but the 920 is a better value than the iPhone5 by a long shot. Same goes for your SGIII, DNA, Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and HTC 8x. Even the One is not superior, and even the NOTE II is lacking in some areas as well (no QI wireless charging, and a dim primary screen).

In other words, you have no clue about what quality really means. End of story.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:21 4

52. 14545 (Posts: 1608; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


"compared to my Lumia 920"

There it is folks. UP bought a 920 so now he has to prove to himself, and everyone around him, that he made the right decision. He is so insecure in that decision that he will stop at nothing to flame and make false accusations just to prove his case. Just like politics.

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 00:08 1

65. SuperNexus (Posts: 127; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)


there is only one word for you - NokiaZombie.

Lumia 920 is overpriced, with very less features with a boring UI.
If you like UI then it is only matter of time when you will get bore because only thing you can do is change color and make tiles small and large.
If you don't get bore from this and doesn't realize limited features and apps then you have no clue about what quality really means. End of story.

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 01:13 2

72. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Since when do people get their jollies due to using the OS? WP8 gets the job done, and it also does it more securely than Android. It doesn't have 800,000 apps, but most of that stuff being circulated in the Android sphere is garbage quality anyway. I'd sooner have a smaller collection of apps that are meaningful and better quality, versus an entire library of low quality wares.

Bottom line: quantity does not mean quality. Also, the Lumia 920 has the best camera, outside of the 808, which is also built by Nokia. Fact, not fiction.

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 01:33 1

75. SuperNexus (Posts: 127; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)


All apps in WP stores are inferior than Android apps.
Don't you know that.
WP apps need more polish,

I don't know but when did you try all 800k apps.
Android not only get job done but it will entertain you.

You should buy Nokia 100, it is also gets the job done and it is far cheaper than 920.

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 08:43

99. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


As a former android user and a WP user of almost a year, you are full of crap. The WP apps are much more refined, have a pleasantly common appearance and functionality, and because of the common hardware within the WP ecosystem, more general compatibility and fewer functionality issues.
Yes, some Android apps have higher graphics capabilities, but only the top-end phones (DNA, Note2, Optimus G, etc) can run them properly, whereas a Lumia 520 can run the same apps as a 920, sometimes better because it is pushing lower resolution. Higher graphics doesn't mean more polished or refined, just higher-res. In fact sometimes it can be worse, as the app will be advertised for its graphics prowess but be a crummy program or experience. My favorite app right now (exclusive to Windows Phone and Windows) is ARMED!, which is essentially like Starcraft but on a smaller scale.

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 08:33

97. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Overpriced?! It's $450 without a contract on AT&T, you fool. Iphone5 is $600, Galaxy S3 is like $700, Note 2 is $800. It's a bargain!

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 10:24

107. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Urtard, I invite you to ask your local SWAT team to swap their polycarbonate riot and face shields for regular plastic, and see how they react. Or fighter jets, or hockey helmets, or safety glasses. There IS a difference, and a substantial one at that. I love the polycarbonate on my Lumia and wouldn't change it for any other material commercially viable right now, save perhaps carbon fiber.

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 14:15 1

119. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


lets talk about alumimium bodies only good thing is light and looks bad ass in first few months othervise they are put "IN THICK AND FAT PROTECTIVE CASES" ahahha so much for being premium my Ass when u cant even keep it open

my guess is more then 70% of sgs3 owners never see the actual body after they put them in cases fancy or crapy cases hahahaa too bad alumium sucks when it comes to scratching effects the color on SGS3 is as crapy as 90's phone so yeah 920 owner will rarely use case BECAUSE the phone is solid to the bones with solid color scratch huh u can even slice the top and u see same color under the hood not just surface i used L800 and a year later it still feels like a month old phone.

for facts i have friends with iPhones and SGS2 and 3s all had them in cases ROFL and some makes the phone weight over 180gm

so i guess if u live in fancy world with cases its u imagination not actully preimiumness of phone unless it is everlasting

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:38 3

27. papss (unregistered)


Agreed. It's not cheap at all.. It's not painted.. It's durable as hell

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 14:01 1

118. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


your and all other guys have valid point but the real thing happened behind the scene was MS made a deal with Nokia about WP7>8 a complete transition for 250Million$ in return per year or month i dont remeber exaclty and this deal was for 2-3 years guess nokia might want to go around but they cant during this time but after that who knows but still wp8 is not fail its not best in UI but it can evolve faster then other OS if the MS wants too

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 21:55 6

7. tusshharish (Posts: 342; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)


nokia choose wp because its very clean neat attractive having great ui. nokia puts their touch in their lumia models and makes them perfect...............

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:06 5

14. nikenturd (unregistered)


Yo Elop, ever wonder why most people dislike Windows phones?

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:11 4

18. SuperNexus (Posts: 127; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)


I think instead of depending only one platform, they should start producing other platform phones too.(like Android,WebOS,Jolla)

It is not about "Key Point of differentiation", it is about giving customer more choice.

and other manufacturer also produce Window phone, so it is not really a differentiation.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:36 2

26. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


There's something you forgot that gives Nokia an edge with their WP8 Lumia line: Windows Phones require less hardware and memory to achieve the same level of performance in most cases as Android devices. That means Nokia can save money on every device by marketing a dual core flagship instead of a quadcore. The only reason for quadcore being needed on an Android device is because of the sluggish and resource heavy OS itself...

As for other competiting WP8 OEM's, nobody holds a candle to Nokia, and they own the playing field, small though it may be at this time.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:59

64. SuperNexus (Posts: 127; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)


People like to have more features and apps but Window phone is restricted and has 1/5 of android apps.
There are many important app which window is still missing.
and how many people like window phone.....well market share give the answer of that.
All I am saying that if Nokia offer other OS phones too then it will be more profitable than only depending on single OS.
Because profit from Window phone will be same but other OS will also give Nokia more profit.

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 10:28

108. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Name 5 "important" apps WP is missing. Don't even think about saying instagram or remove run or any of that flash-in-the-pan junk. Truly "important" apps.

I won't hold my breath.

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 10:35

109. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Temple run, not remove. Bleh.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:19 3

20. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Reality check: nobody (except Samsung) makes any significant money from producing Android devices.

Nokia would have wasted their time trying to be a copy cat like everybody else, and would have gone broke by now. Also, Microsoft is finally getting serious about competing in the mobile world, which means a unified OS is going to be released at some point in the near future. They already made big strides towards that goal with Windows 8, and it's entirely possible that the next generation of Windows Phones may end up running the same OS as what's installed your desktop or laptop.

Nokia has a future with Windows Phone, which is more than they had before they made the switch. Burning platform or not, Symbian was dead long before Elop took over...

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:02 7

41. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Nobody is making significant money from windows either, that argument is flawed I don't see any of the current top windows phone devices meaning better cash for anyone

Why is samung so successful?

1. Important main product lineup (Galaxy S and Note Series)
2. Actual advertisement of the product (you ever saw a good android commercial that was not from a Samsung device?)
3. The devices look nice
4. They don't screw up the ui (I'm looking at you HTC)

Samsung is winning because its actually doing it right, Nokia can do that too....

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:36 1

56. 14545 (Posts: 1608; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


The paid OS market has to play dirty, if they don't they won't last. Mainly because people will realize there are better open source alternatives.

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