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Elop chose Windows Phone because it gave Nokia a "key point of differentiation"

0. phoneArena 02 Mar 2013, 21:23 posted on

Nokia CEO Stephen Elop is always pretty good for a generic marketing quote, and he definitely gave a few of those in a recent interview with Bloomberg. But, this time Elop also gave a couple of more interesting generic quotes, one of which was to say that Nokia chose Windows Phone because it gave Nokia a "key point of differentiation"...

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posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:24 3

22. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


urtard, I have no clue what wtf you think constitutes quality in terms of smartphones, but your're clearly on something if you think that Nokia is lacking in quality. A durable polycarbonate shell (such as found on the Lumia 920) is not the same thing as a plastic phone that easily falls apart. Stop talking about things that you have no clue about...

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:28 4

23. Ruckus (Posts: 286; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)


@Whateverman no joke while I was trying to post a comment my phone restarted itself.. Stupid Photon!!

Anyways long story short we sell Hundreds of phones a month. By percentages the iPhone is far less faulty then Windows Phone comes in second. Sure there are Android devices better than others but the GS3s we sell and Note IIs crash more and often are far more defective than iphones or Lumia models.

But hey im glad you live in a fantasy world where Android is perfect and never crashes. When in all reality based on the percentages its probably in 3rd place of the 3. Good luck with that :-)

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:30 2

24. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


14545, if you truly believe that your Android phone is completely secure, then you seriously need to learn more about your OS. Malware has already made it's way into the Google store, and gullible people like yourself don't have a clue...

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:32 1

25. urtard (banned) (Posts: 82; Member since: 30 Jan 2013)


Polycarbonate is plastic lol and just about every manufacturers use "polycarbonate". Do you even know what you're getting at?

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 00:08 1

65. SuperNexus (Posts: 127; Member since: 18 Jan 2013)


there is only one word for you - NokiaZombie.

Lumia 920 is overpriced, with very less features with a boring UI.
If you like UI then it is only matter of time when you will get bore because only thing you can do is change color and make tiles small and large.
If you don't get bore from this and doesn't realize limited features and apps then you have no clue about what quality really means. End of story.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:38 3

27. papss (unregistered)


Agreed. It's not cheap at all.. It's not painted.. It's durable as hell

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:40 3

28. papss (unregistered)


You clearly have no idea.. There are higher grades of polycarbonate such as the lumia and there are really cheap plastic/polycarbonate such as the S3

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:45 4

29. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I've heard that same android crashes story, guess what it was proven to crash less than iOS, it was just a way for iOS fanboys to feel good but the fact is something else. Sorry unless you can prove that with facts I'm not buying it.

I've heard that "we have people that regret things" yet I've seen various iOS and windows phone users going android. It goes both ways.

Also I think people have the wrong idea I want Nokia to use both, if people want to buy a lumina like "crappy" android phone then guess what? They can... But its not happening because of them not wanting to, not some guy excuse for "a sea full of Android" Nokia is not some brand new company they can get bank by playing both games

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:45

30. 14545 (Posts: 1640; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Oh good grief. Apparently ReAdInG comprehension isn't your strong suit. I never once said it was "completely secure. NO OS IS. Not WP, not iOS, not anything. Yes, wow, a couple of pieces of malware has popped up. No different than any other platform. My point is that if my major corporate employer thinks their security is enough, then so do I. Not to mention, you said it had stolen peoples bank accounts and such, please provide evidence to back this up. I'm fairly certain it would have made the news and I would know about it if this had happened. There is no need to lie just to build up your platform. Unlike you, I realize there are flaws in every platform, and I have chosen what works best for me. Also, I would rather BB10 over WP8 anyday. As a former WinMo user, from 2008-2010, it is metro that caused me to leave the platform. And from 08 to 10, I had two different winmo phones, the xv6800 and the TP2. But yes, I'm just gullible, that's the reason I chose android. :rollseyes:

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:46 1

31. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


urtard, compared to my Lumia 920, your smartphone camera sucks. I really don't care what other non-Nokia smartphone you have, because your cam sucks the big one. I'll bet the audio and signal quality of my Lumia is better than your phone as well...

Nokia is only second to Apple in terms of quality, but the 920 is a better value than the iPhone5 by a long shot. Same goes for your SGIII, DNA, Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and HTC 8x. Even the One is not superior, and even the NOTE II is lacking in some areas as well (no QI wireless charging, and a dim primary screen).

In other words, you have no clue about what quality really means. End of story.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:46 3

32. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Ah, Motorola?!? Oh yeah, anything with th Motorola logo on it is bound to fail! I love their build quality, but they are the absolute worse at software!

My iPad crashes at least 5 or 6 times a day, so iOS being the most stable... Not hardly. PA even wrote an article on how iOS crashes more than Android.

Last but not least, this fantasy world you think I live in... You're really reaching right now, and it's just plain funny. You're taking it kinda personal, so how about I just bid you a good night.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:47

33. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Could this issue be related with that fatal bug on the exynos? Instead of Android?

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:48

34. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I dont know I own a photon, maybe its because of the ROM but it doesn't crash as this guy seems to say...

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:49 10

35. applesauce (banned) (Posts: 165; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)


No phone or device is perfect.

A coworker's Note II crashes about 4 times per day, whereas an old T-Mobile G2 I use for a workout mp3 player hasn't crashed yet this year. My Lumia 900 hasn't yet crashed in the 11 months I have owned it, though it has had hang-ups with some apps which take a few seconds to sort out, and Facebook is always buggy as hell whether through the app or through Internet Explorer, though it is fine on Nokia Xpress.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:50

36. Ruckus (Posts: 286; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)


I just preach what I see brotha! Have a good night tho man!

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:53 1

37. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I'm not saying go all the way with Android, that would be dumb, but Nokia has resources to build a decent android devices and back it up instead of its 64957589 lumina phones so they play both games, why be happy with being the king of one OS when you can rule both I'll be more likely to buy a Nokia android powered device any day over a Samsung device (if the skin is not too bloated)

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:55

38. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


And this is why I think Nokia can take shares from them, fight features with features because honestly HTC is brain dead and lg.... Well I never trust lg to begin with, so aside from the galaxy line....mmmmm maybe Motorola x

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 22:56 3

39. Whateverman (Posts: 3283; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Thank you! That's the bottom line here, nothing is perfect and my experience my be different from someone else's.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:01 2

40. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


14545, don't you understand that by the time you see something on the news about malware making it's way through an OS, that particular malware is likely to have existed and done harm a long time before it gets documented and understood? Your phone is infested already, and what's even more laughable is that you think it's safe...

There's no question that Android is more insecure than the other platforms I listed, including WP8, and you pretending otherwise doesn't make the reality any different from the way I'm spelling it out.

One more thing: WP8 is not windows mobile! Get with the times already (yeeeesh). You still trying to use Zune to manage files? Yikes...

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:03 1

43. 14545 (Posts: 1640; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


http://www.phonearena.com/news/Which-platform-crashes-more-Android-or-iOS_id26542

EXACTLY.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:14 1

47. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Right on, applesauce. I haven't had any issues with my Lumia 900, but I had such awful experiences with 3 separate Androids (a G2 as well, a Sensation, and a Viewsonic gTablet) I turned my back to it completely and committed myself to Symbian and Windows Phone, and have been so overly satisfied I wouldn't dream if switching to anything else anytime soon.

In contrast, my wife, brother, and two sister-in-laws all had Sensations, and for the first few months they really liked them, then annoyances and crashes started occurring more frequently than could be ignored, and full system crashes, it launcher restarts, or 2-hour battery life (it, my favorite, running out of charge from full WHILE PLUGGED IN with only factory apps installed). My wife and one sister-in-law went for the Galaxy S3 with improved results (still crashing but not as badly and faster recovery, probably thanks to touch wiz versus Sense), my brother got an unlocked Atrix (1st-gen) and loves it, and the other sister-in-law just warranties her Sensation for another, but will likely switch to Windows Phone of they get the same games she likes.

All that aside, and as applesauce stated, there can not be a crash-free system while there are third-party apps able to run on it, and the hardware is proven tinwork together and battery tech improves more (though it has made great strides this last decade).

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:11 1

46. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


But Polycarbonate on Windows is better than Cheap Plastic on Android at least as of now from market share point of view :D

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:17 2

49. 14545 (Posts: 1640; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Damn you're an idiot. I NEVER FONKING SAID WP WAS WINMO. IN REALITY, NOT THAT YOU CAN READ, I SAID I LEFT WINDOWS AS A PLATFORM BECAUSE OF THE NEW WP "METRO" PLATFORM. Also, I like how I burst your bubble about bank accounts being drained and you instantly say "oh, it takes time for these things to be documented." PROVE IT OR STFU. Stupid fanboy. All mobile platforms are "not very secure" to a certain extent, LIKE I JUST FONKING SAID. For you to buy into the hype that android is the big bad boogie man proves that you have either A) never used the platform, B) used the platform but don't care because you have made your "choice" and will only degrade everything that isn't your chosen platform because you feel the need to justify your decision. Reaffirming to yourself that you didn't make the wrong decision. Grow up.

All you have done is bought into the hype that android is the bug infested, malware ridden ecosystem that doesn't really exist.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Malware-on-Android---a-myth-or-real-threat_id37322

Try actually stepping outside your comfort zone sometime and see that other platforms are not that bad. Oh, and I would use iOS before using metro. It's just that bad. Unlike you, I have actually played with it, and their is a reason I chose against not using it.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:19

50. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Some of the "it"s in the second paragraph should read "or". Silly autocorrect.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:21 2

51. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


A perfect OS does not exist, what looks broken for one person might be good for another. Diversity is a great thing

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:21 4

52. 14545 (Posts: 1640; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


"compared to my Lumia 920"

There it is folks. UP bought a 920 so now he has to prove to himself, and everyone around him, that he made the right decision. He is so insecure in that decision that he will stop at nothing to flame and make false accusations just to prove his case. Just like politics.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:30 3

53. 14545 (Posts: 1640; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


"I'm not saying go all the way with Android, that would be dumb, but Nokia has resources to build a decent android devices and back it up instead of its 64957589 lumina phones so they play both games"

I think anyone who actually wants Nokia to succeed is saying this exact statement. No one is even remotely saying that nokia should just dump WP. Instead, they are saying, like myself, that nokia shouldn't tie themselves to a single wagon. Especially not one that only has 3% of the total smartphone marketshare. It would be better if they hedged their bets on a secondary platform that is doing very well for itself. THEN LET THE HARDWARE SELL ITSELF. Nokia is great with one thing, that's making phones that last.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:31 1

54. 14545 (Posts: 1640; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


there*

My typing is terrible tonight. Oh well.

posted on 02 Mar 2013, 23:41

57. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


There are lots who would buy Nokia Androids, but 1) would they be profitable for Nokia? 2) would they be as reliable as Nokia wants them to be for its customers? 3) would they produce enough to meet demand, intentionally under build, or perhaps overbuild and flood the market? 4) would folks cross-shop a Nokia Android without the known "droid" or "galaxy" branding now on consumers' minds? 5) What, other than cameras, would set Nokia apart, and are those cameras even functional on Android? 6) Nokia developed MeeGo as an evolution of MaeMo (and others), as a response to Android (and others), which, as we know, they sold that to Jolla and is resurrected as Sailfish; should they go tri-platform with WP, Android, and Sailfish to diversify their portfolio (and be somewhat Samsung-y with 2 big platforms and one small one), or do what HTC dies with limited success and offer two main platforms simultaneously? Big strategy shifts, and no guaranteed results.

posted on 03 Mar 2013, 01:05

71. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


Start8, if you can't figure out how to reach the control panel. Pathetic.

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