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EU probes Motorola for abuse of patents after Microsoft and Apple complain of Tony Soprano tactics

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EU probes Motorola for abuse of patents after Microsoft and Apple complain of Tony Soprano tactics
After Samsung recently, now it's Motorola's turn to be probed from the EU authorities for abuse of FRAND licenses. The FRAND concept calls for reasonable and non-discriminatory licensing of standard-essential patents, but according to complaints filed from both Apple and Microsoft, this is not the case with Moto.

According to Microsoft's deputy general counsel Dave Heiner Motorola Mobility "has refused to make its patents available at anything remotely close to a reasonable price." The squeeze on Motorola's side comes about essential 2G and 3G patents for the iPhone and iPad, whereas Microsoft is allegedly being extorted for H.264 video codec licenses.

As a result, Microsoft is prepping to move its distribution center out of Germany, as an eventual verdict against it in the Motorola patent lawsuit there could end up in the court banning devices using Windows 7, as well as Xbox 360.

source: FT

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posted on 03 Apr 2012, 08:05 15

1. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


so the king of bullying is complaining that others won't play nice with him? waaaaah. let it fall on deaf ears.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 16:09 1

31. stealthd (Posts: 956; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)


Being a bully isn't against any rules or laws. The same cannot be said about using FRAND patents as a weapon.

If you burn down a bully's house, you're still going to get arrested for arson.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 18:24 3

36. jroc74 (Posts: 4732; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


How many patents do Apple have as FRAND? That may be the bigger question....expecially for them trying to sue Motorola for the Xoom cuz its shaped like a rectangle and has round corners.

Suing over software is one thing...and even with them vs. Samsung...that was questionable IMO. Wont even go into the hardware between the iPhone and Samsung...the iPhone has very distinct hardware buttons....not talking about the home button.

They basically sued Samsung over how the front of the phone looks, some icons here n there and the Samsung app drawer. They had to sue Moto over the black borders of the Xoom...cuz thats about all I can see that even comes close to resembling an iPad.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 08:11 13

2. andro. (Posts: 1949; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


The biggest anti competive company in existance is deciding that Motorola is using Tony Soprano tactics,hmmmmm it seems the big bully can't actually take a punch without whimpering

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 08:13 14

3. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5751; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Live by the sword, die by the sword. I am sooooo broken up that Apple and MS are complaining about 'Tony Soprano' tactics. As if they don't do the same thing to Google and Android partners every chance they get.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 08:27 2

4. Mozarrt (Posts: 295; Member since: 08 Oct 2011)


Well if you guys want to pay more money for your computers, go ahead and cheer for Motorola. Microsoft is being very reasonable.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 10:24

5. snowgator (Posts: 3209; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Now if I am reading this right, and it is only one side of the story, Microsoft is trying to pay for the right to use the patent. The really disturbing part of this is Moto is the only one of the major players to use Android to not have an agreement with MS. I know the rumor is MS has approached Moto about licensing the patents that Android uses. Regardless of peoples feelings on MS, they have kept this out of the courts. If Moto is playing hardball on licensing it's patents to MS, I am betting they are going to fight on paying MS on theirs. I am so not looking forward to more litigation. It bores me.

It is Motorola's right, but..... really now. Just take money, pay a little back, and lets move on. Apple VS the world is enough.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 10:48 4

6. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


Apple vs the world...
and the winner is......... Motorola!

If everyone want fairplay from their competition then don't even start the patent war at all.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 11:25 2

7. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Hey everyone there's no good guy/bad guy here. All companies are trying to maximize profits. This isn't a team sport. Fandroids you're not "winning"

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 12:05 1

8. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


@taco50
It's been a long time you're using this username.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 12:11 1

9. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Uh uh I don't get what you're getting at

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 12:19 4

10. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


as in most of us know you have been trolling under 10 other names that have all been banned since they banned your primary taco account.
I rather enjoyed it. it was like playing wack-a-taco whenever you popped up.

nice how your view changes. when its apple bullying others... they always deserve it. when its ssomeone standing up to apple there is "no good guy\bad guy "

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 12:29 1

11. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


No my view doesn't change. I don't bash Motorola or Samsung or any other company that has sued Apple. Being a reasonable adult I understand this is how business works. Apple had a right to defend its IP and maximize profits and so does Motorola.

It's your view that changes. When Apple uses Foxconn they're evil and have blood on their hands. When Microsoft, Dell, Amazon etc use Foxconn its no big deal.

Did you know Motorola sued Apple first before Apple ever sued them? I bet you didn't and I bet it doesn't matter to you. You're not interested in any facts that don't support your Pre defined views.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 13:06 3

13. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6440; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


u bash motorola on every other article SO STOP LYING TO YOURSELF

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 13:10 4

14. theBankRobber (Posts: 647; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)


We all know your just putting on a show so you don't get the ban hammer

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 13:45 3

15. EclipseGSX (limited) (Posts: 1587; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


give it time, his true troll colors will show soon enough

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 14:04 2

17. GENARAL.ROYALLY (banned) (Posts: 9; Member since: 03 Apr 2012)


WE DO NOT LIKE UR ILL TOUNGE.
WE DONT LIKE THIS.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 14:32 2

20. EclipseGSX (limited) (Posts: 1587; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


I see all the banned accounts have been released, now all we need is Gemini and The Miz to make the troll pack complete.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 13:55 3

16. Sniggly (Posts: 6998; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


We have been over this, Taco. Motorola only sued after two years of unsuccessfully trying to get Apple to pay royalties on the tech that Motorola developed. Apple sued them right after and then went after every other major Android manufacturer. If Apple were paying its fair share of royalties to the true innovators in the market, if they weren't suing over ridiculous concepts they weren't even the first to develop, AND if their goal wasn't to wage THERMONUCLEAR WAR on Android simply because Android looks a little bit like iOS (and much more like brew and blackberry os) I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Hell, you didn't see me complain about Apple going back to the negotiation table with Samsung to hammer out a cross licensing deal, did you?

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 15:34 1

27. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Apple, just like any other company, will try to minimize royalty fees. If they can get away with not paying them they will.

Android copied a lot from iOS. The whole basics of the OS are a copy. That's the funny thing about android supporters. You guys love android, which took so much from iOS, and claim to hate iOS. If it wasn't for Apple and Steve Jobs you'd still be using your trackpads and qwerty keyboards and browsing the web on a WAP browser.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 15:47 2

28. Sniggly (Posts: 6998; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Why do you assume that without the iPhone smartphone innovation would have remained stagnant? The industry was already moving toward touchscreens and thinner, more elegant devices. In fact, the Motorola Q was the thinnest smartphone in the world until the iPhone 4 came out. Blackberries were seen as meant more for business people, as were Palm and Windows Mobile devices. How arrogant to assume that nobody else would release a touchscreen dominant device ever if the iPhone didn't exist.

And apart from the touchscreen and app store (another concept already coming into its own by the time Apple appropriated it) what else did Android actually copy from IOS? If you say "rows of icons," I will cut you.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 15:53 1

29. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Not saying it would have never happened, but Apple leap frogged the competition with the original iPhone. If you're an android lover you should give credit to Apple for a lot of the things you enjoy on your OS. Apple pioneered those things.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 16:03 2

30. Sniggly (Posts: 6998; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Yes, Apple did leapfrog the competition in providing a touchscreen dominant, user friendly phone that eventually morphed into a true smartphone.

However, you didn't answer my question: apart from the touchscreen dominance and independent app store (both of which are debatable anyway) what other specific cues did Android take from the iPhone?

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 18:19 2

34. jroc74 (Posts: 4732; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


They are not what I woudl call pioneers in the smartphone world.

A pioneer for phones would be LG, Motorola, Palm, Blackberry.

In the PC world you may can call them that....but you better also call Xerox pioneers too.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 18:14 2

33. jroc74 (Posts: 4732; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Exactly.....must ppl keep forgetting the LG Prada? If Apple hadnt made an iPhone.....we could very well replace the iPhone and smartphone innovation with the LG Prada and LG.

Its all hindsight but that is a big what if....

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 18:22 2

35. jroc74 (Posts: 4732; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Please explain the so much they took from iOS?

If you mean the basics, yea....home screen layout and icons. After that.....where is the so much?

Home screen layout and icons doesnt make up the entire OS. We been thru this before....

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 14:43 1

24. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


can you find anywhere that i said that it was ok for moto and MS to use foxconn? yea i didnt think so, troll

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 15:32 1

26. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


You use their products and never complain about them using Foxconn

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 13:03 2

12. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6440; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


Micro$oft and Apple PAYS these European Unions millions of dollars so they can ban and destroy Android. The only one that will loose is us the consumers. this is why I don't buy APPLE OR M$ products

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 14:06

18. GENARAL.ROYALLY (banned) (Posts: 9; Member since: 03 Apr 2012)


WE APPLE LIKE THIS.
WE ARE FAMOUS.
WE ARE APPLE ROYALLY.
WE PRIDE THIS.
WE LIKE THAT.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 14:14 1

19. Sniggly (Posts: 6998; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


You know, the successful troll is one who actually communicates an idea effectively. Your command of the English language, or lack thereof, obviously prevents you from accomplishing this. So please, for your own good, please either learn the English language or stop posting your nonsense.

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 14:34 3

21. EclipseGSX (limited) (Posts: 1587; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


ikr, dumbass cant even spell General correctly despite being told on his "Genaral Levy" account

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 14:47 1

25. Sniggly (Posts: 6998; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Well, if you're not a troll, then you're mentally ill. Which is it?

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 18:12 2

32. jroc74 (Posts: 4732; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


"As a result, Microsoft is prepping to move its distribution center out of Germany, as an eventual verdict against it in the Motorola patent lawsuit there could end up in the court banning devices using Windows 7, as well as Xbox 360."

What??? I knew Moto was like the granddaddy of cellphones and what not....but I didnt think they had it going on like THAT!!!

Looks like an extremely smart move on Googles part to buy them...does Google has access to these patents?

posted on 03 Apr 2012, 23:32 1

37. roscuthiii (Posts: 1801; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


I'm guessing Apple and Microsoft both forgot that the "R" part of FRAND stands for reasonable. I consider it very reasonable that these patents hold a lot more value than say, a rectangular appearance, since they actually facilitate a functioning device.
So, that leaves us with the "F", for fair. If Motorola is offering a similar deal to everyone else then yes, it is indeed fair as well.
It's up to how well the lawyers argue now though.

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