EFF: ‘Apple’s devices are like beautiful crystal prisons’
0. phoneArena 30 May 2012, 10:31 posted on
“Apple's recent products, especially their mobile iOS devices, are like beautiful crystal prisons, with a wide range of restrictions imposed by the OS, the hardware, and”…
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4. theoak (Posts: 322; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
Its a balancing act of course.
A bit like a kite. The reason why the kite soars is because it is grounded by someone holding the string. If you let go of the string ... the kite may soar higher ... but there will be no control and will eventually crash and burn.
For better or for worse, Apple is keeping a shorter string.
By virtue of the profits Apple is having and number of sales of devices, a shorter string can't be that bad.
Personally, I would not mind having a few of the tricks that a jail broken devices can do.
7. The.Average.Fanboy (Posts: 12; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
Apple did actually copy the Notification center from jailbreak developers. Perhaps Tim & The Giant Apple will pay heed to Wozniak's advice.
9. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Why would a kite crash and burn if it's up high in the sky? Yes - no one single person can control it - but that's the whole beauty in it! Control = limitation. There is no other way around it.
52. theoak (Posts: 322; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)
Go fly a kite - literally ;) And then, let go of it - you'll see what I mean.
10. The.Average.Fanboy (Posts: 12; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
Are you sick of your house? Are you sick of your job? Are you sick of the sky being blue?Are you sick of sunlight being bright? Tell me, are you sick of life's limitations? Please understand that restrictions are part of nature- and I find the iPhone to be a closer reflection of nature than Samsung's Galaxy S III.
12. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Shame to compare iOS with such things like a life, unless you are brainwashed...
13. ilia1986 (unregistered)
YES we are. And shouldn't we all be? Why should we be restricted when we don't have to??! Why must we only have limited choice? HUMAN NATURE demands unlimited creativity and freedom.
37. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
thats why we have rules and laws.. we can be running around doing what you want.. sorry i dont agree
117. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6812; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
what rules by BANNING OUR CONSUMER GOODS? when people pay GOOD MONEY like the ONE X and the EVO which was BAN BY APPLE. I think not. you're comment is irrelevant
14. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Sick of your house? Sell it and move.
Sick of your job? Find another one.
Sick of the sky being blue? Wear red shades.
Overcoming restrictions is part of human nature; therefore, the iPhone is a direct contradiction of our nature.
I mean, really, you can't compare devices to nature itself. It's easier to compare these systems to economic systems. iOS is a totalitarian society, much like Equilibrium: everybody is "safe" because everything is controlled. Sure, the people who aren't being controlled may be more erratic, but when you lift the controls off of your life you can suddenly find beauty in even small things, like seeing a sunrise or hearing a piece of music for the first time.
So Android is more like a free market, and iOS is more like a centrally controlled economy.
Between the two, I'll take more freedom.
16. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Precisely, Sir Sniggly. The.Average.Fanboy - Want a place where you eat the same food, wear the same clothes, do the same things, and almost nothing changes in your life? You can get there. It's called PRISON.
17. xtian1103 (Posts: 361; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)
sniggly has also been knighted? i've missed the ceremony
20. ilia1986 (unregistered)
"Knights of the medieval era were asked to "Protect the weak, defenseless, helpless, and fight for the general welfare of all.""
18. SleepingOz (unregistered)
22. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
But that's not all together true. Comparing iOS to the film Equilibrium is saying that people are being forced to use it and cannot change. That's not the case. You can use any OS you want. You can decide to leave an OS if you want. You have a choice. Just because iOS doesn't work for you doesn't make it a terrible OS. Vice versa.
26. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Actually, if Apple were to have its way, everyone WOULD be forced to use their system. Look at how aggressively they've attacked Android on all fronts they can, and look at the actions they tried to take against jailbreakers a few years ago.
Apple is obsessed with controlling their experience, and anyone who wants to use their devices must submit to that control.
I wasn't saying that iOS is a terrible OS, btw. Just saying it doesn't work for me, because I prefer to see the sunrise.
34. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
I'm pretty sure if any company had the power to do so...they'd make everyone use their product. I'm sure Coke would make everyone stop drinking any other diet drink and Ford would make everyone drive their cars...
38. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Nah dude. The good companies realize that introducing force into the equation is the exact opposite of what they want.
27. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
I would compare android more to a riot with no reason where the people destroy their own neighborhood.
28. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
See, if you had kept to your previous comment I would have left you alone.
But now you've gone and done exactly what I figured you would, sadly: made a ridiculous, stupid statement disparaging the freedom of Android.
Why do you people who advocate control always equate freedom with total danger and chaos?
30. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Android is a mess man. Carriers adding skins making it laggy as hell, android market place is full of garbage apps and worse malware and Trojans.
32. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
"carriers adding skins making it laggy as hell"
Oh yeah? That's an argument from at least a year ago, Taco. The worst was Motoblur, and that was fixed with Gingerbread. Touchwiz and Sense, even at their worst, were not bad at all. Sense for ICS is very smooth now, and Touchwiz (which I'm currently using) is fine as well.
"Android market is full of garbage apps"
How do you define garbage apps? Yes, the quality can vary widely, but that's how a free market works. Crappy apps won't get downloaded nearly as often, so the devs have to either fix their app issues or give up.
"malware and trojans"
Even if every single piece of malware and trojans was left on the market (it isn't) the total would make up less than 0.68 PERCENT of all the apps on the market.
I warned you about the consequences of making bulls**t arguments against Android's freedom, but you didn't listen to me. Now you've just opened yourself up to being exposed as a dumbass in the highest degree.
41. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
shut up Sniggly... please you fandroids started making dumb statement about freedom and that Apple is jail and I didn't see you saying anything.... Jeff is right use the OS you want and leave the ones that we choose a different OS other than Android alone.. and take your friends with you.. we don't want to hear your guys say the same thing over and over in every Apple article.
43. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Gallito, the space between these two arrows is exactly how much room you have to talk:
So there you go.
45. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
what a coincidence. thats how much I care
47. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Lol, you obviously do care because you keep coming back and whining about being blindly attacked, while you continue to be a jerk to other people on here.
53. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
that's how clueless you are.. I don't care because.. listen closely... none of you know me and I don't know you... is that simple... I am here to express my opinions and thoughts... if you don't like it.. than you are the one with the problem.. I still go on my way..
54. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Yep, and if you don't like my response to your dumbass remarks, that's your problem.
Note that I don't actually say anything if what you say isn't dumbass in nature. Just like with anyone else.
You've admitted previously that much of what you do on here is to garner attention, so it's idiotic to complain about the attention you get.
58. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
idiotic is to want to turn Apple into Android. that's idiotic..
64. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
There you go again. It's amazing how sullen you came across with that remark, lol.
Oh, and yes, it was another dumbass remark.
76. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
I guess we are done since you dont have anything new to say.... the kitchen is close
78. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Ooh, such an epic comeback. I'm so devastated.
119. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6812; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
you're the idiotic one . everyone choose what phone THEY WANT TO BUY NOT EVERYONE wants IPHONE/ANDROID phones YOU CHOOSE what u like.
99. VZWuser76 (Posts: 2057; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
Manufacturers add skins, carriers add bloat. Just because there are some bad apps in the market doesn't mean they have to be installed. The market is like capitalism, well coded & useful apps will flourish, bad apps will wither & die. As far as malware, what does make it into the market seems to be caught pretty quickly and removed.
Considering the sheer amount of OS variations, different models of phones, and so on, they really do an amazing job of keeping things running smoothly. If they only had a limited number of phone models or OS variations, it would be easier to police, but it would also give the consumer less options as well. I don't begrudge you liking what you like, but for you to say that what I like is a mess, when you don't even know that the OEMs are the ones adding the skins shows you don't have any first hand experience with android.
118. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6812; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
apple is the one that's a mess.
62. Stuntman (Posts: 796; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
"Sick of your house? Sell it and move." -- Sniggly
I'll use this example becase I feel it reflects my feelings of iOS. If I'm sick of my house, I have the option to renovate it. If I buy a house and then decide to do renovations, the builder from whom I bought it cannot come back and prevent me from making those renovations. It's my house, I bought it and I can do what I want with it. If I want to convert my family room and den to a separate living suite, I can.
The model with iOS devices is such that Apple prevents me from making these modifications. If Apple built my house and I want to do some renovations, I have to find Apple approved renovations before I'm allowed to do them. If I want to do something that Apple doesn't allow, Apple would have me sell my house and buy a house that is not built by Apple. I do not feel this is acceptible.
I understand that Apple want to ensure that people don't do things that has a slight chance of making the phone unstable. I just think that Apple can put such measures in place for users who are comfortable with Apple's walled garden approach without making it a crystal prison for others who do want greater control in what they want to do with their device.
As an Android user, I do have the option of allowing apps from unknown sources to be installed on my phone. I choose not to exercise this option. I think it is possible to have this option available in a way that makes it near impossible for someone who does not want it to accidentally use it.
I highly doubt Apple will ever change the ways with its products. My experience with Apple products is that they purposely make things difficult to do certain things in order to make you pay Apple to do the same thing. For instance, my wife had an MP3 ring tone on her old Android phone. She just got an iPhone recently. Using that same MP3 for a ring tone on her iPhone seemed unnecessarily difficult to me.
As long as Apple is making lots of money and they see opening things up to mean making not as much money, they simply will not do it. Right now, the only option Apple gives you is to by non-Apple products and they are also trying to eliminate some of those options as well.
8. bella92108 (Posts: 8; Member since: 06 Apr 2012)
Maybe the government should also go after windows for being so crappy? Or car companies for breaking down so often? Oh, or the people who make the Mr Clean Magic Eraser because it always shrivels up so fast? Comon, it's a business, leave them alone. Let consumers make choices for themselves for once. I'm not a fanboy, but I'm tired of the government telling businesses how to operate their product development group.
11. ilia1986 (unregistered)
If the government wants to remove restrictions and create a more open and free world - good for them, I say.
66. Stuntman (Posts: 796; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
The government can't do that. Who do you think contributed to getting them elected in the first place?
80. remixfa (Posts: 14226; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
what I think is funny after looking through the threads.
Jeff comes on and makes a brilliant post about iOS. You may or may not agree on all of the content, but the post itself was very good. Then many of the "android regulars" come on and start civil discourse with Jeff, and just about everyone agrees that there should be more "iOS" posts like his.
There is good conversation going all around for just a short moment....
Then the trolls, not content to be left out view, jump on board with their tired and lame lines, attacks, and non nonsensical arguments. Somewhere in the middle, Jeff disappears from conversation and its pulled down into the lower pits of fanboy stupidity by the "iOS regulars".
Why cant we have more jeff and less taco!?!?!?!
83. Sniggly (Posts: 7199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Exactly my point. Note that Jeff's posts aren't buried in red thumbs like Gallito and Taco's posts tend to be.
88. good2great (Posts: 1040; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
Jeff represents not only iOS users but users who embrace all OS's
not only that he also respects Google, Samsung, and Apple's success as a business...
i'm glad he was finally heard. he's not the only person that feels that way... the problem is... everyone who makes a comment like he did either is challenged by some aggressive android user or thumbed down by everyone.
whats silly is if PA puts up an article that says "new leaks of iphone 5 case" i guarantee you there will be the aggressive android users (not the dumb trolls) that will have some funny negative joke or wont give any type of credit to the article.
i dont know whats yall problem...
"Why cant we have more jeff and less taco" that should be a question for BOTH sides...
If Tim Cook says "we're working on Siri improvements" it doesnt mean android users bombard the article saying how Siri isn't innovative and bringing up a totally different topic that the post is talking about...
thats the problem...
There's hundreds of android articles that are never commented on by the aggressive android users... they are so stuck on proving apple articles wrong...
come on guys... lets get along...lol
90. VZWuser76 (Posts: 2057; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
Exactly the point I was trying to make. Respect goes both ways. If you can't try to respect someone's opinion, how can you expect any respect in return. I like android currently because it suits my needs the best. I used to be pro apple, but a support issue soured me on them. I also used to like Samsung, but not anymore for the same reasons. Now I could just go out and say "Apple & Samsung are junk" and call it a day. But, while I have had bad experiences with them, that doesn't mean everyone will. So while I may relate my experiences to them, I don't expect them to take it as the gospel truth. I don't expect anthing. I hope they add it to anthing else they've learned, and make a cautious and informed decision. But they can just as easily dismiss it as well. The only thing I know is I tried to help them with the knowledge I have.
92. Stuntman (Posts: 796; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
There are some posters who make posts to provoke responses. As long as people keep responding to them either by thumbing or responding, they will continue to do so.
101. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Exactly llike remix and sniggly attacking siri and saying it's not innovative. They're out to prove android is better, not have a discussion.
113. gallitoking (Posts: 4693; Member since: 17 May 2011)
for the same reason we can't have more whateverman superandroidevo and less remix andro and sniggly...
81. mahoganyheart (Posts: 11; Member since: 23 May 2012)
It's interesting how Apple can restrict their IOS to make it more productive/secure/better"Whatever"!!, and they can get away with it, but take Microsoft next OS Windows 8, taking the stance to protect some of the the software core access to make it a more safer/better OS, it gets hammered by complaints and possible court inquiries. If Apple can do it, why not Microsoft?
91. VZWuser76 (Posts: 2057; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
There is a double standard there, which I believe stems from the problems they had with "monopolistic practices" in the PC market awhile back. The reason I think it differs is because while safari is the standard browser for example, you can choose others and use them. Android phones mostly come with Google's browser (some with Bing) but again you have alternatives. From what I've read of W8, they are trying to make IE the only browser available for use on their devices, which is where the problem lies.
105. -box- (Posts: 3915; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
The restriction for IE is only for the ARM-based tablets, and it isn't limiting it to IE, just recommending it as the default due to hardware capabilities
100. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
I hope it will continue to be a prison
If not I may buy apple products again
My last apple product was an Apple2 it was really freedom
109. amazinghorse (Posts: 38; Member since: 14 Dec 2009)
I put your mom in a crystal prison. And she loved it.
111. tumchaaditya (Posts: 71; Member since: 21 May 2012)
Everything has its pros and cons.
But, Apple SHOULD be more open in my opinion
112. BattleBrat (Posts: 1198; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
Apple has a closed system, They had their reasons for doing it that way, one of which was ensuring a smooth stable experience across all of their supported hardware by controlling the hardware with an iron fist by making it themselves, WP does something similar by dictating the phones specs. That is pretty much the nature of the beast with closed OS's. You don't like it? Well there is no reason to fret, because there are other OS's to chose from. There is no reason to dump on another OS because it was not your cup of tea. Jeffdabeat understands this, and I feel Remixfa's problems stem from disagreements he has with the company Apple itself, but Taco, and Gallito, you guys just HATE Android, I see no reason for this hatred other than blind fanboyism. I have a RAZR, and a 4th gen iPod Touch, I use BOTH OS's, I LIKE both OS's I WILL be getting an iPhone 5, are YOU open enough to new technology to try it like that? Be like the WOZ and try all the toys.