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Dutch judge says Apple's patent on "slide to unlock" is probably invalid

0. phoneArena 25 Aug 2011, 18:23 posted on

The same Dutch judge that ordered the preliminary injunction against the sale of three Samsung handsets due to the patent infringement on three Apple patents, is saying that the "slide to unlock" patent that Apple holds is "not inventive" and therefore probably not valid...

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posted on 26 Aug 2011, 16:12

118. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@wassup. I never said that Apple "introduced" capacitive displays. Where did you get that? And, Apple did not steal anything from LG, unless you can site us proof that LG sued Apple and won. You are a big liar :)

Oh well, most android fanboys are good at lying and making up stuff anyways :)

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 09:18

82. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


Oh btw it Neonode doesn't use resistive, it use IR screen.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 13:33

97. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Then Samsung should've used IR technology on their galaxy devices if they got their inspiration from neonode :)

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 18:54 5

5. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


It was legally proven that Another device had this feature so yeah lets go with what you said

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 21:48 1

16. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Not on a smartphone? And not with a graphic like the iphone's.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 04:24

72. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Then the graphics on Samsung's are different that the on the iPhone

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 13:34

98. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Then that is up to the court to decide, based on the evidences that will be presented to them by Apple, and based on Samsung's defense. That is all I am saying.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 18:58 10

8. Penny (Posts: 1653; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


Bother to read the article?

Part of Samsung's defense was that the slide to unlock existed in a Windows device in 2005, before Apple even filed for the patent. Therefore, the characteristic does not belong to Apple. It is not an Apple characteristic. The characteristic is not Apple's to claim. Apple did not invent it. Apple did not come up with it. Apple did not engineer it. Don't get it twisted.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 21:54

17. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@penny. Yes, I've read the article alright, and the article also stated that "Apple's "slide to unlock" features an image on the screen that moves along with the finger, something that the Neonade N1m did not have". Didn't you read that part? And Apple was indeed granted patent for that, so of course they will try to defend it. Also, Samsung should not play innocent in saying that they got the idea from that windows device and not from the iphone. Please. But hey, if ever the court decides to acquit Samsung of that, then so be it.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 02:58

69. Penny (Posts: 1653; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


So you are saying that since Apple introduced an image, albeit for the same slide-to-unlock motion, that constituted a significant enough difference in the process for Apple's method to be considered not a copy of the Windows version.

Following that reasoning, I would argue that Samsung should be found as not copying Apple's method as Samsung introduced a different image, albeit for the same slide-to-unlock motion. In fact, by your standards and the standards of the EU, they should probably be granted a patent for it.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 03:05

71. Penny (Posts: 1653; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


BTW, sorry for coming across as rude in my first reply. I'm just a little tired of the [ridiculous] patent wars. All for reasonable patents, but not for patenting common items just because you feel you were the first to use it in a specific context. For example, rounded rectangles = perfectly common and royalty free outside of the mobile OS world. But I can't use it in a mobile OS because somebody has dibs on it? Seriously? Wtf...

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 13:39

99. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@Penny. I don't know. I have not seen how extensive Apple's patent was written. Have you?

We can argue here all day long, but we do not make the decisions here. It is up to the court. We can only speculate. But one thing for sure. It is BS for Samsung to say that they got their inspiration from Neonode, and not the iphone. Some copying are just too obvious, but at times, people could get away with it.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 22:06 4

22. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)


I guess apple will get away with copying androids notification bar...

Really you are going to hang your position in an unlock slider?

I guess I have to repeat myself again... this type of "copying" is normal for all markets.

There is a reason why apple is loosing 90% of their complaints.... because they are not truely patentable.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 00:27

49. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Apple does not need to get away with something that they already own. Just because android first implemented that pull down notification bar, it does not mean that Apple has no right to that gesture. A lot of iphone apps already utilize that pull down menu. It's just not found on any of iphone native apps.

If these type of copying is normal and acceptable as you said, then I guess you can just ignore Apple's complaints and have nothing to worry about.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 00:39 2

54. heh (unregistered)


C'mon man! I've read a lot of your comments on this article and from what I see, no one can really make you think neutrally or even objectively! Yes, that slide-to-unlock feature might be similar. You have a point there. But c'mon! The notification bar is OBVIOUSLY copied from Android! Anyone with a teeny tiny bit of sense can see that!

You've been totally blinded by the MARKETING powers of Steve Jobs.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 01:10

62. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@heh. How can you say that the notification bar gesture on android is copied by Apple when 3rd party apps for the iphone have been using that pull down gesture eversince? You have to realize that android is pretty much an iOS knock off. Just because android is the first to implement that pull down notification bar, it does not mean that Apple never had considered that initially. Now, if android has ownership of that notification bar implementation, LET THEM SUE APPLE. If they don't, then I guess they know themselves that Apple has the right to that notification bar implementation just as much as they do.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 09:25

83. ngo2dd (Posts: 896; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


No 3rd party have the pull down unless you Jailbroken your phone.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 13:42

100. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@ngo. What would you do if I can name you an app from the App Store with such feature? Would you admit defeat?

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 11:29

85. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


so in essence you are saying its all right for apple to copy but not for others to copy apple right lol

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 13:44

101. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@taz. It's not alright to copy, period. I even said that anyone should sue Apple if they think that Apple copied or stole their patented ideas. That is the only way to prove things. Bring it to court and present your case.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 05:36 1

75. joaolx (Posts: 364; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


If you ever saw the demo of the iOS 5 you could see that the only thing it's similar with the android bar it's the slide. But what you do and what you see on the notification bar on the iOS 5 it's much different.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 10:05

84. darth8ball (Posts: 520; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


Apple does not own the pull down notification bar, Google does. As for the app makers, if they got permission to use the tecnology, or paid for the right, yes they can use it. Patents are paid for use all the time, when someone uses them without permission or a deal for the right to use them is when a lawsuit takes place.
You prove our point in your statement...

A lot of iphone apps already utilize that pull down menu. It's just not found on any of iphone native apps.

App makers got permission just not Apple.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 13:49

102. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@darthball. Says who? You? Do you have a full list what Apple owns?

Why do you think courthouses exist?

Sorry, but you are only speculating that google owns that notification bar. You have no hard evidence that Apple cannot use that feature, and that google has exclusive rights to that. If there is no complaint against Apple in implementing that notification bar similar to android's, then they are entitled to use it just as android is. Simple as that.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 22:09 1

24. s (unregistered)


yeah like how apple ripped off the notification system no matter how you fan boys say it apple copies and thats that

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 22:29

32. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


You must like the color red...

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 22:52 1

41. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


No I don't, but android fanboys like to give me a lot of reds :)

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 15:41

117. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


You'll get a green for that one.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 18:55 8

6. Tmachaveli (Posts: 425; Member since: 01 Apr 2011)


Don't even use the I.P. b.s its a dam unlock screen..apple should worry about other things instead like why android has 60% of the market.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 18:59 2

9. stealthd (unregistered)


It's called dumping, and it's anticompetetive

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 21:59

20. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Apple knows how android was able to reach that market size. It's because android devices imitated iDevices.

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