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Dutch judge says Apple's patent on "slide to unlock" is probably invalid

0. phoneArena 25 Aug 2011, 18:23 posted on

The same Dutch judge that ordered the preliminary injunction against the sale of three Samsung handsets due to the patent infringement on three Apple patents, is saying that the "slide to unlock" patent that Apple holds is "not inventive" and therefore probably not valid...

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posted on 25 Aug 2011, 22:10 3

25. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)


Yup they copyed apple by allowing 3rd part hardware makers use their is on different formfactors

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 22:27

30. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Just look at the phones pre and post iphone. Iphone's influence is very obvious. Everyone is copying Apple. Microsoft is even putting up Windows stores looking just like Apple stores.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 22:11 2

26. readingthissh1t (Posts: 303; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)


ey bro, Android handsets(high end and not cheap ass phones) beat iPhones spec wise. thats a fact. software wise, its anyone's opinion.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 22:29 1

33. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Higher specs does not equal better products. The iphone's 5mp camera has bested several phones with 8mp cameras. The iphone 3gs responds much smoother than some phones with dual core processors.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 22:48 1

39. readingthissh1t (Posts: 303; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)


i see... iOS does seem smoother when you dont have alot of stuff running. but my iPod touch lags alot and freezes(its 8 gigs). lets see what iOS5 and ICS have to bring to the table. lets resume our arguments at that time.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 22:54

42. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Nah, I don't believe you. IDevices are generally known to be smooth devices, not laggy like android devices are known for.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 23:10

43. readingthissh1t (Posts: 303; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)


lol im serious, my iPod touch was laggy in screen transition and apps, and it froze at the homescreen and most of my apps. however i dont think the newer model has that issue.
#iPod touch 3g

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 00:29 2

51. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Well you got an odd ipod. Just like android fanboys got odd android devices that never lags, with battery lives that lasts a week :)

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 01:38

67. readingthissh1t (Posts: 303; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)


are you implying that im lying? I know it's hard to believe but yes, My iPod touch 3rd generation 8gb lags and freezes. its not uncommon. too bad it doesnt have a replaceable battery because sometimes it takes quite a few minutes to finally force close the application(go to the homescreen).
what am i suppose to do until then? i plug it in, i old the power buttons, volume rockers, home button indifferent combinations but it doesnt do anything to help.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 11:48

86. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


i guess you must be ''lying'' ios never crashes,never lags and never has security issues(lol thats where jailbreaks come from)..i have both the ip4 and the galaxy s2 and my android phone has NEVER lagged on me and my ip4 has lagged but barely but that probably has to do with the fact that mines is jailbroken..all am saying is that just cause some android devices lag that does not mean they all do so when you hear someone say there android does not not lag or has good battery, dont jump to conclusion assuming they are lying. remember battery life etc also depends on how the user uses its device and what they have installed on it..i love both os's but if i am honest, if i could not jailbreak the iphone than i would not consider it because without jailbreak the iphone is too restrictive..some are happy with the restriction and some are not..so to all fanboys of any os, there is no need to hate on others because they prefare something else. we should all be happy that there is choices out there..

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 14:02

104. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@taz. No device is perfect. Near perfect, yes, but perfect, no. So how can you tell which device works better? By looking at satisfaction surveys, and reviews, and how consistent their reviews and surveys are. You, an unknown, can say that your iDevice lags all day, but if professional reviews consistently says that the iphone is the most stable device, backed by very high customer satisfaction ratings, it is very likely that you are just making things up. If you say that your android device never lagged or crash, but reviews CONSISTENTLY say that it lags, and it is backed by a not so high customer satisfaction ratings, then again, you're probably lying about the awesomeness of your android device. Be smart. Don't believe stories told by bloggers here in the comments section. Read legitimate reviews and surveys.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 13:55

103. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@reading. There is a big probability that you are lying. Anyone can make up stories in here just to give a bad impression of their hated device.

Apple has a genius bar. You're ipod is defective. Go make an appointment and they will replace it with a new one :)

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 00:49

57. heh (unregistered)


Mine's a 4th gen and it does get laggy like yours. Even entering the 4-digit lock code becomes a problem sometimes!

**I'm still waiting on the release of the iPhone 5 and the rumored cheap iPhone 4 though.. Want to see which between iOS5 and ICS is better. I do like the iDevices' designs.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 14:04

105. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Did you take it to the genius bar to have it replaced?

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 00:44

56. heh (unregistered)


Oh... So... I guess my ipod touch is an(other) isolated case. I have a 32gb one and it freakin' lags and sometimes even freezes in the middle of apps. Even simple apps like the freakin' native camera ain't so smooth!

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 01:15

63. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Please check reviews for iDevices. You'll never see one that says that it lags or that it's unresponsive, or that it freezes. There are several ones for android devices though. Also, check LEGITIMATE AND OFFICIAL satisfaction surveys. iDevices scored significantly higher than any android devices. Unfortunately, anyone in here can just make up stuff. However, those official surveys and reviews are dependable and more trustworthy than what android fanboys post on here.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 11:50

87. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


yes but i doubt the reviewers really fill the memory up..my jailbroken ip6 16gb has lagged a few times but as i have stated before it might be due to jailbreak but also the fact that i have used up 11 gigs

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 14:07

107. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@taz. So you did tamper with your iDevice. That is whybtamoeringis never recommended. Because obviously, you do not know what you're doing. Because if you do, then it shouldn't lag :)

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 14:05

106. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


And again. Did you take it to the genius bar for them to run diagnostics on your device?

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 22:30 1

34. BigEaze22 (Posts: 25; Member since: 17 May 2011)


imitated? more like intimidated. and let's face the facts. It's hard to come up with something new for any company. whether it be apple, samsung, htc, nokia, or whoever else. there will always be similarities. I'm not a fandroid, isheep, or any other name you can think of. i just think that if a company has patents, they should try to work on enforcing them, but not to the point where if affects future technology and who has the right to use it. Apple, Google, and any other company will have to see each other as a possible threat to their business. don't just sprout what you believe apple does, how they are, or what they think. I like apple devices, android devices, windows devices, and many others. but thinking of one OS as the overall one to be imitated is kind of just a load of bull. Apple gets patents on stuff so they can use it to their advantage. every company does that. Not just apple. so the next time you talk about a device bieng superrior, always remember, there is always something new coming out and nobody will have a product ahead of the rest so long as technology continues to grow. They are businesses, not a lifestyle choice. dont use an operatin system, company, or product just to talk trash.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 22:45

38. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Apple was able to come up with fresh ideas. The others should come up with their own. What the others are doing is, they're riding on to Apple's success and to what Apple has worked hard for. They saw the iphone and the ipad's phenomenal success, and then they're like, "Oh, let's go make one just like that".

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 00:25

48. BigEaze22 (Posts: 25; Member since: 17 May 2011)


I'm trying to tell you that you cant call a patent on something like a smartphone such as slide to unlock when almost every damn phone does it. Apple did not come up with the idea for a phone, and you act like wvery invention was inspired by apple. Every company gets inspiration to improve their products from other companies. Apple must have got their ideas from other people, not just everything they do is like magic. They're going to use the notification bar exactly like android. and they even stole wifi sync from someone that tried to make it an app.They even showed that apple made fake photos of the galaxy tab and galaxy s 2 just to get them banned. I like their products, but as a company you should not have to forge product photos and evidence to prove your point. All they want is MONEY. They have more cash than the US Government, and they still make more money every millisecond. Yet they still want to stop other companies from selling their products. Apple needs does not make their own products, other companies do. and the small percentage that they do make, can likely be just an add on. Don't think of Apple as main company unless you can see every fact of what they do right and wrong. And trust me, like almost every company, they've done plenty wrong.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 00:38

53. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@bigeaze. You said every smartphone has slide to unlock? Since when? How many smartphones have slide to unlock before 2007? Inventions are not the only ones that can be patented. Innovations and iterations from an invention can also be patented. I guess that is what you are missing. You think that only inventions can be patented, not innovations. A lot of technologies and features found on the iphone are not their inventions. Some they have acquired licences to use, some they have innovated on. They did not use those licensed technology without paying fees for it. That's another thing that you are missing. You probably think that everyone just uses licensed tech without paying fees for it or without getting permission from the one who owns it. Fyi, Microsoft and Nokia are big earners when it comes to collecting licensing fees from other OEM's, including Apple. You didn't know that huh, because you think that everyone just uses whatever tech they like to use, lol. Also, if Apple then plenty wrong, how were they able to be this hugely successful? Common sense please. Plenty of wrong equals to disaster and failure. Plenty of right means huge success.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 01:17

64. BigEaze22 (Posts: 25; Member since: 17 May 2011)


Did you not see the post from earlier?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-KS2kfIr0
look at that, slide to unlock. and don't give me that crap that it's up and down. it's slide to unlock.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 11:55

88. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


lol you cant reason with ifans..apple are always in the right,they cant do no wrong. in ifans eyes it was right for apple to alter images in the case against apple

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 14:10

108. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@bigeaze. Yes, but there is no animation when you unlock it. It's a different implementation of the gesture. Anyway. It is really up to the court to decide. But it is BS to say that Samsung got their idea from Neonode and not from iphone.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 20:25 3

12. biophone (Posts: 1893; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


No way apple can win a case fOr a feature such as slide to unlock.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 21:31 2

13. Boti95 (Posts: 162; Member since: 05 Sep 2010)


Apple really needs to stop this. Really immature. And to all you Apple fanatics, go f*ck yourselfs if you think Apple creates the world.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 21:58

19. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Apple did not create the world. But they definitely created a trend that caused everyone else to imitate them. And of course, since you do not like Apple, but like what they've done to their devices, you don't want the imitating to stop, because you want it on your decice as well :)

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 22:24 3

29. dandirk (Posts: 187; Member since: 04 Aug 2011)


I am sorry but please gemini...

Your point makes no sense in the real world... Imitation happens in EVERY market. Trends are created followed, recreated and re-followed.

The complaints Apple has brought up are mostly these types of items. The reason why 90% of them so far are being thrown out.

I guess you will be the first one to demand Apple remove the notification bar from iOS... Remove multi-tasking... And when Apple does get a "home" screen and widgets.

I will be waiting for that day Gemini...

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 22:36 1

35. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


And who created the trend again? It's Apple. It's one thing to follow a trend, but it's another thing to just copy what someone else did.

Unfortunately, even when the copying is pretty obvious, android devices still get away with it somehow. And that's alright. But nomone should blame Apple for at least trying to stop it.

If Apple is guilty of copying features like their notification bar on iOS5 or for anything, then let them sue Apple. But why didn't they? Because they know that Apple has the right to use those features.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 00:27 1

50. BigEaze22 (Posts: 25; Member since: 17 May 2011)


They don't sue because they still have to keep up with all of the apple lawsuits.
iOS 5 is not all from apple imagination, so don't act like it is

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 00:41 1

55. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


They don't sue Apple because they don't have a case.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 12:04

89. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


maybe they are not sue happy as apple on a serious note though regardless if the notification system is patented or not apple copied/imitated still. now from reading all your comments, you have no issues with apple copying but when someone copies apple you dont like it..now correct me if i am wrong but that is just pure hypocrisy and i see that fro a lot of apple fanboys..its all right for apple to do it but its weong for someone else..pretty much everything in ios5 is taken from android and other os's..now regardless if the features copied are patented or not, IT IS STILL COPYING.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 14:16

109. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@taz. Maybe, maybe, maybe. You are obviously not sure. Again, anyone should sue Apple if they believe that Apple infringed on their patented technology. I have said that many, many times. You cannot say that Apple infringed on a feature or copied it unless proven in court. That is why Apple is taking all of these copycats to court. They should take Apple to court as well if Apple infringed their patents. So that instead of saying "maybe", we can be more certain whether or not they are entitled to a feature.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 05:52 1

76. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Have the right to use notification bar ???
If apple has the right to use the notification bar, then other manufacturers has the right to use swipe to unlock !

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 14:19

110. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@peter. Unless someone owns that feature and refuses to give anyone the right to use it. Just because Apple bought or owned rights to several features, it does not mean that everyone does as well.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 21:59 1

21. M0nkeyBr (Posts: 77; Member since: 13 Jul 2011)


#TEAMBlackberry hasnt been affected yet :)
Does Apple think they created the phone

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 22:27

31. GETAGRIPNIPPLE (unregistered)


seriously? could you imagine if one company who made a big black glossy flatscreen TV started suing every other manufacturer because thier TV's look similar? The only winners would be the lawyers and the company suing every one if it wins. We the consumers lose out, we would be paying more for the product to cover the costs of legal fees, by having less choice because there is little or no competition, which would also mean they can charge what ever they like as they would have a virtual monopoly. Why are people supporting apple for these rediculous claims? Do they want to have no choice? do they want to pay more?

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 22:40

36. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


So what are you suggesting? Get rid of all patents? You know whay you think that way? Because you are not capable of creating or innovating anything either. You are not protecting a business. You're the kind who would just copy someone's idea on a school project because you're too lazy to come up with your own. I bet you're the kind who copies a lot of your classmates' homework :)

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 00:31 1

52. GETAGRIPNIPPLE (unregistered)


why do people have the need to insult others just because they have a different opinion? I just dont get it. Anyway, Look I can see your point, and I can agree with it to a certain level, but then there is also a point where staking a claim to intellectual property can go to far, and I think Apple are crossing this line. Now lets say some average joe lodged the first patent for a tablet type device, should he have the right to stop anyone else from making anything remotely similar because he came up with the idea first? And in Apples case they didnt even come up with it first, and in some cases they simply lodged a whole bunch of vague sketches. Come on, a real invention, yes, this type of carry on I think is a bit much.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 00:54

59. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Maybe because they deserve the sarcasm.

Apple is doing what they're doing because the copying has gone too blatant for comfort. A lot of the devices that are being released are mostly iphone and ipad knock offs. At first it was tolerable. The iphone was capacitive touch with multi touch gestures, while the others were using resistive touch with styluses. The iphone relied heavily on 3rd party apps, while the others on native apps. The iphone distinctively used icons for their apps, while others used folders. The iphone had a UI that can be set apart from the others. Samsung had their croix UI then. But look at what's happening now. Everyone has adopted capacitive. Everyone has an App Store. Everyone integrated multi touch gestures similar to that of iDevices. Everyone uses icons similar to how it's arranged on the iphone. Gyroscope integration. Accelerometers. Proximity sensors, etc. Yes, Apple did not invent those features, but they've effectively integrated those set of features into their iDevices before anyone else. That's Apple's innovation. Those are their fresh ideas as to which set or combination of features can set their iDevices apart from everyone else. But everyone else are doing the same things as well. That's copying.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 01:22 2

65. BigEaze22 (Posts: 25; Member since: 17 May 2011)


I see, you are one of those people that use a company to give you an identity. Apple is not God. They do not invent everything new phones today have. a patent infringed upon gives a normal company 2 options. pay royalties or countersue if they find other infringed patents.Apple instead has one. CLAIM EVERY PATENT THAT OTHER COMPANIES USE BEFORE ANYONE ELSE DOES. Apple is like that host of a party that screws with you the whole time, and looks like you're the one right next to them copying what they say

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 14:26

111. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@bigeaze. Don't play naive. Look at the phones pre and post iphone. It's very obvious how everyone is trying to imitate iDevices. Before the iphone, what was the hottest device? It was the N95 and Blackberries. What types of phones did Samsung produce at that time? N95-like devices. How many capacitive touchscreen phones did Samsung release at that time? NONE. Did the N95 have slide to unlock? Nope. How many Samsung phones have accelerometers, proximity sensors, gyroscope, pinch to zoom, etc features? NONE. Now look at Samsung phones after the iphone was released. Come on. Don't be blind, or stop playing blind.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 01:02 1

61. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


By the way. I apologize if I came offensive to you.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 00:51 2

58. android_hitman (Posts: 622; Member since: 07 Jul 2010)


gemini i am so sorry for your mental problem ... let's all agree with him just to make him fell better

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 00:59

60. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Hahahaha. Thanks for your concern, but I am mentally fine. But yes, you're better off agreeing with me because I do make a lot of sense, and you are irked by it :)

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 01:26

66. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Google is the king of imitation. They imitated Yahoo, although I do like Google better than Yahoo. They're doing the same with Apple with their android OS, this time I prefer iOS and Apple is giving android a hard time (good for Apple). And they're pulling the same trick with Facebook with their google+. Although I can't wait for google+ to go live so I could dump Facebook, hahahahaha. See, I'm not biased when I see a good product ;)

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 12:13 1

90. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


when there is a 1st idea someone will always try and compete with it. when something becomes a standard in the industry, others will follow using the same standards.
you say google copied apple but apple did not make the 1st touchscreen phone. what apple did do is make the first touch friendly consumer phone..now just cause there device was more popular does not mean it is original..also you state everyone started using capacitive because apple uses it, i disagree capacitive is just a improved touch screen..its like saying tv manufactures should still make non hd tvs.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 14:32

112. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Who cares. It's all about having LEGAL ownership of what you use. Example: let's say Samsung invented capacitive technology and then Apple bought the rights to it. Who is the legal owner? Samsung or Apple? APPLE. What you're providing are EXCUSES. And that wouldn't work in the courtroom.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 02:44

68. haha (unregistered)


i just read through this whole post. can anyone else spot the guy with no life?

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 14:33

113. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Ummmmm, you :)

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 03:00 4

70. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)


i have been reading the comments this article has and i must say 530gemini is very close minded. everything is pro-Apple. first, im no Apple fan boy or and android fan either. im neutral between the 2. but i must say 530gemini comments are UTTERLY RIDICULOUS!

first he says Apple created e capacitive touch screen which they dint. Apple only LAUNCHED the MULTI-TOUCH capacitive screen. and the word launch clearly does not equal to create!
http://www.erwanmace.com/2010/03/apple-did-not-invent-apps-and-touchscreen-phones-they-only-made-it-mainstream/
he than goes on to say tt if Samsung based their phones on neonode n1m, samsung devices should use resistive screen like the neonode n1m. tt clearly makes no sense at all to use technology for 6 years ago on a modern flagship. if only Apple can use capacitive screens, the new phones from other manufacturers will be branded as using old tech. technology is improved so that it benefits EVERYONE not just one company/person in particular. if Samsung, LG, Motorola and etc cannot use capacitive screens, their phones would be uninspiring and no one would want to buy them (which seems to be Apple's goal).
530gemini also says tt the neonode n1m unlocking doesnt have graphics, but wad Apple did was to improve on the lock screen to make it more pleasing to the eye. its call improving the device/tech ! ultimately the iphone unlocking gestures copies the neonode's way of unlocking the phone but Apple only made it more pleasing to the eye.

secondly, 530gemini says everyone is copying Apple and that they are using the trends set by Apple in their own phones. first of all, Apple also copies other manufacturers/OS. For example, iOS5 will feature the drop down notifications bar which is already on andriod devices. the iphone's form factor is copied from the world's FIRST TOUCH SCREEN PHONE the LG Prada (the judge also brings this point out in his ruling and phonearena has apparently left it out) and tt the iphone design is minimalist which doesnt protect it from design copies and he rendered this patent invaild. the menu of the iphone is also copied from a Nokia device (i dont rmb which model tho) and the judge also brought up tt point in his statement. i would like to bring up the following trends tt Apple DID NOT start .
1) Dual-Core phones. LG started this trend and the iphone 5 is rumored to have dual core processors too. this means Apple is copying the other manufacturers too
2) Awesome displays. Samsung started this with their SuperAmoled on the Galaxy S. Later, Apple BOUGHT a display (retina) that can be compared to the galaxy s. so this is apple copying again.
3) Pull down notifications. Originally from android and soon to be featured on iOS5
the only thing i can think tt Apple did was to revolutionize apps. other than that, i cant think of anything new Apple brought to the table.

just being realistic here (:

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 12:16 1

91. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


someone who actually can think for themselves and is not biased and not thinking with a fanboy brain

posted on 27 Aug 2011, 13:11

121. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)


thanks ^^

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 15:04 1

114. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


@usuck. First of all, I never said that Apple created capacitive touch. I don't know who did, but I can Bing or Google it for you. So I don't know why you're saying that I said that. Well if Samsung is claiming that they are getting their implementation from Neonode, then it would make sense for them to use resistive. The fact that they are using capacitive with animations to slide and unlock, just proves that they got their idea more from iphone, not Neonode. Back in 2008, Samsung touchscreen phones were resistive. And users made fun of the iphone's capacitive display, remember? But anyway, Apple has influenced everyone to use capacitive screens but is not suing anyone for it, so you can scratch that off. Any significant improvement, whether eye candy or added functionality is an innovation that can be patented. Which is what Apple did.

You said that Apple also copies as well. If that's the case, then let them sue Apple. By them not suing Apple, it only means that Apple has every right to use those existing technologies or features, which means, that is not copying, but rather just using what's ALREADY out there, that no one really has ownership of. By the way, LG Prada is not the first touchscreen phone. Htc have been making touchscreen phones years before LG Prada came out. Also, the iphone's retina display came out before superamoled. Don't confuse amoled with superamoled. Also amoled display is a different technology than ips lcd, so I don't think that's copying.

I think the problem here is that you are not getting the legalitiy of things. Let me ask you this.

1. Is it legal for Apple to put in dual core processors in their iDevices?

2. Is it legal for iphone to use LG's retina display on their ip4?

3. Does google have sole ownership of the pull down notification bar?

Now here are the other questions,

1. Did Apple get a patent award for that swipe to unlock with animation on a capacitive display? Yes

2. Did Samsung get a patent to use swipe to unlock with animation on a capacitive display? No

Now, I am not saying that Samsung has no way out of this, for there are obviously loopholes in the patent system which is what they are trying to figure out. That's why they are bringing up neonode, even when it is obvious that it is the iphone that they're copying.

There's a difference between having legal rights to use EXISTING features or technology vs using patented features that someone exclusively owns and have exclusive rights to.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 17:11 1

119. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)


"1. Did Apple get a patent award for that swipe to unlock with animation on a capacitive display? Yes"

Obvious improvement to those familiar with industry: Patent invalid

"2. Did Samsung get a patent to use swipe to unlock with animation on a capacitive display? No"

Prior art: Patent invalid.

your logic is fail:
"You said that Apple also copies as well. If that's the case, then let them sue Apple. By them not suing Apple, it only means that Apple has every right to use those existing technologies or features, which means, that is not copying,"

It does not "only" mean that Apple has every right to copy; it could also mean:
A) The company who invented the technology did not seek patent protection because they didn’t want to bother
B) The company who invented the technology did not seek patent protection because they did not want to disclose their IP since that is part of the patent process
C) The company who invented the technology did seek patent protection but was not awarded a patent
D) The company who invented the technology did seek patent protection but has not yet been awarded a patent
E) The company who invented the technology did seek patent protection has been awarded a patent, but they believe it too costly to sue
F) The company who invented the technology did seek patent protection has been awarded a patent and they believe it worthwhile to sue but have not filed yet.

Regardless, doing something does not grant that you automatically have the right to do it because no one protested.
If you copy something, it is copying: legal or illegal, but still copying.

The reason Apple looks so bad in these actions is not because they are going after other companies or protecting their interests or that they innovated in the mobile space [no arguing that they didn’t]. The reason is that EVERYONE HATES A HYPOCRITE: Apple copied and was successful with it and now are trying to prevent other companies from doing the same to them. Yes, they may have been granted patents they have a legal right to protect, but they copied and are trying to stop others from copying.


You are correct on prior touch screen devices existed and the timing of AMOLED, Retina, and Super AMOLED.

posted on 27 Aug 2011, 13:28

122. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)


i read on gsmarena tt the LG Prada was the world's first touch phone so yea (: n u did say Apple created capacitive displays. its in one of ur many comments.
now why do u think other companies like LG are not suing Apple?
1) they do REAL business
2) they believe competition is necessary to help each other improve
3) they know they would be wasting their money suing Apple because of the sheer amount of patents Apple has.

now the thing here is not whether it is legal for Apple to use dual core chipsets / the retina display on their phones, the thing is copying. in ur MANY comments protecting Apple, u say Samsung is copying Apple. i have never said tt it was not legal for Apple to use those tech on their devices i was just merely showing u wad things Apple copied from. also Apple is not suing any1 over capacitive touchscreens because they do not own it. if Samsung were to keep their phones stuck with resistive screens no one would buy it. also Apple's i-phone was based on the LG Prada so shouldnt it be using resistive screen like the original Prada phone?

copying IS copying whether u like or not. in this case Apple has the patents for the things they copied which puts them at an advantage. Apple should spend their money on making their products more innovative rather than spending it in the courtroom. Apple is clearly trying to monopolise the smartphone market.

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 04:27 1

73. chezzitstealer (Posts: 17; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


i kinda like apple products they have good hardware and run great. BUT! its boring there is no customization to it at all its a screen with apps. and i dont think that they need to sue every one! once someone comes out with something better like galaxy s ll they sue them because the dont want to loose there lead. and i admit that galaxy s ll kind looks like and iPhone with the 1 hardware home button but come on shut up apple your not the world leader. and not every one wants to be you!

posted on 26 Aug 2011, 12:31

92. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6581; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)


At least this judge says it's NOT THE SAME AS THE Icrap slide lock

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