Does the 21 hour deliberation point to a flaw in the jury's thinking?
0. phoneArena 26 Aug 2012, 21:22 posted on
Many legal experts had hunkered down during jury deliberations, expecting a complex case would require the jury to talk things over for a few days, it took only 21 hours for the jury to reach a verdict; is the speed symptomatic of a flaw in the deicision reaching process?...
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1. -box- (Posts: 3959; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Good to know there are more that are a little suspicious. I'm not expecting any earth-shattering changes, but more honest and objective reviews seem obvious, especially with so many expecting a mixed verdict
6. MeoCao (unregistered)
This may work in SS favor in appeal, but I care most about that pinch to zoom patent as this is a essential feature of all touch screen devices.
Ignoring prior art evidence is a major negligence by by the jury.
21. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
It is jury nullification. Expect the appeal to address what the jury refused to consider - invalidity of the Apple patents. Google's response shows what is in store for Apple - a deliberate grinding up of Apple's patent portfolio, either in the appeal of the verdict in Apple vs. Samsung or in other actions in the present (ITC) and future.
I suspect that Apple's stock value is close to its peak.
2. PapaSmurf (Posts: 9723; Member since: 14 May 2012)
The more I read, the more I want to move into the woods and forget what I just read...
4. weinerslav (Posts: 126; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)
Sad but true... Those jurors must be retarded, everybody was aware that the decision was rushed and they didn't care about Samsung's defense, but bragging about that is the cherry on the top of the cake! Seriously, at least they could shut their mouths and pretend they cared about being fair!!!!!
On the other hand... Look at the judge Koh picture!!! Isn't she adorable??? I want to hug her and squeeze her until she pees!
14. MeoCao (unregistered)
Haha, if Koh reverse the jury's verdict would you still hug her and do something else :))
23. Birds (Posts: 1128; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
If she reverses the order I'd hug her until she dies... No body, I MEAN NOBODY DISSES MY BOO SAMSUNG!!!! THAT'S HOW PEOPLE GET HURT...But I'd be glad she gave Samsung another chance. lol
3. dragonscourgex (Posts: 307; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
So, the jury can just skip evidence. That's nice to know.
9. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Yes they can because their intention was to PUNISH HARD. With that mindset it's obvious what they did was not wrong ...
22. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
"So, the jury can just skip evidence." And the court of appeal can vacate the entire verdict and remand the case for a new trial with instructions to the trial court as to how to proceed in the new trial.
5. Slammer (Posts: 1395; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
No question that there was some damaging evidence against Samsung. However, I think the most crucial keypoint from the juror, is that Apple won from day one of deliberations. This thinking greatly affects and conditions the mind in possibly making a wrong conclusion for judgement. So, no matter what Samsung placed in front of the panel for evidence, Samsung had the cards stacked against them from day one.
7. protozeloz (Posts: 5387; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
This just means the jury was impartial, I wouldn't be surprised if digging into their lives we find at least one fanboy that could have influenced greatly on the final verdict, this COULD turn beneficial to Samsung if used correctly could help them grab as much as they could to turn the tables
8. sp3llv3xit (Posts: 20; Member since: 15 Sep 2011)
Americans love Apple.
It's typical of a people to love their own.
Since they rendered this verdict, let its effects be confined to the borders of the United States. They can live without any other mobile phones save for iPhones!
10. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Back from being banned for saying a particular name of an animal. Wow...the jury in this case should b dismissed for ignorance... it was a rush job...obviously.
12. Contreramanjaro (Posts: 153; Member since: 04 Dec 2011)
I don't like the iPhone. I don't like Samsung phones. I like the rest of the stuff those companies make though. I wasn't biased for either side to win but I was shocked by how quickly the jury worked and a little suspicious.
Honestly, I think Samsung crossed a few lines on the iPhone and iPad but not to the extent they said. Things like pinch to zoom have almost crossed the line into standard operations and they seem like they should not be severely punished.
I was pretty surprised also at how well Samsung defended itself and had me on their side at the end of it all adding to my later surprise. The only reason I'm so concerned about this ruling is I don't want it to open a path towards everyone just suing each other and killing off newer, smaller phone makers.
Where would we be if tech companies started out this way 30 years ago? There was so much open source that led to better experiencse for users (like VisiCalc.)
15. jroc74 (Posts: 5271; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
"You also might recall how Samsung pushed the issue of prior art to defend itself. The jury took hours of Samsung's defense and in the words of juror IIagan, "In fact we skipped that one, so we could go on faster. It was bogging us down." "
Nothing more needs to be said after reading this..
Well....at least the juror was honest....lol.
27. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
And the Samsung lawyers replied with " thanks for the air tight mistrial defense, juror!"
I want these jurors to keep talking. The more they do, the more you realize that at least some of them had an agenda and it was more than enough to push the group forward to their final outcome.
Really, you just... skipped their defense.. which I thought proved prior art damn well, just so you could "send a message to Samsung that was painful for the Korean based tech titan".
Thanks for admitting that buddy. No seriously, thanks. Not only are you proving everything many of us thought about this whole case and its bias from beginning to end, you are giving air tight reasons for appeals, overturns, and mistrials. Keep it up.
16. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 251; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)
I knew that something was wrong with that jury. They decided to forgo Samsung's defense and evidence and were more interested in punishing Samsung. I wouldn't be surprised if the jury was rigged in Apple's favor and saying that the decision was for Apple since day one kinda drives that suspicion.
The jury did not care about Samsung's side, that should have been a mistrial.
18. android8 (Posts: 22; Member since: 07 Aug 2012)
I think Apple got the advantage of being in home country.
19. Fuego84 (Posts: 306; Member since: 13 May 2012)
The jury had their brains iwashed I bet a long time before this trial.
20. Fuego84 (Posts: 306; Member since: 13 May 2012)
They should of chose jury members consisting of people that don't currently use iphones or Samsung phones. Maybe an some windows phone users and blackberry users.
24. saltydog15 (Posts: 11; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)
was SJ one of the 7 male jurors? 'we can skip that piece of evidence, YOU'RE HOLDING IT WRONG!'
25. Aeires (unregistered)
Koh is a rookie judge. Whether she wants to go down in history or pass that along to someone who wants the spotlight will be the important factor here. Looking at the jury foreman's responses, it would be easy to throw the trial out and restart again with a new jury. Going to be interesting to see how this one pans out.
26. ericsorensen (Posts: 52; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)
They also awarded damages for Samsung phones where there could be no loss of iPhone sales (phones that were on networks other than AT+T). Acording to other blog sites, that would reduce the amount from $1B to $256M.
28. Scott_H (Posts: 167; Member since: 28 Oct 2011)
I am truly flabergasted. They just skipped the issue of prior art? That's sort of like being the jury for a speeding ticket and skipping the part about whether or not the cop could positively identify the car they ticketed...
29. jroc74 (Posts: 5271; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
They just skipped over prior art....and prior art coulda been a big help to Samsung.
I predict a successful appeal by Samsung and maybe an investigation into this case.
30. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
like a ref declaring a winner without ever checking the score board or watching a play.
i REALLY want these jurors to keep talking. they proving how lopsided this case really was and deserves a revisit if not a mistrial of some sort.