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Does Google's openness devalue Android?

0. phoneArena 14 Aug 2012, 12:32 posted on

Last week, we asked the question if Apple's anti-Google policies with iOS could be hurting the experience of its users, and it's only fair to look at the other side of the coin: Is Google's openness devaluing Android?...

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posted on 14 Aug 2012, 21:18

28. lyndon420 (Posts: 4565; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


I used to agree with Google making similar apps for all the other platforms, but now I'm on the fence about it. It would actually be nice if Google focused less on these other platforms now and more on Android. Now that some of these other platforms are finally coming out with their own mapping software etc, Google doesn't need to carry them anymore in these specific areas. Apple has siri so that should be good enough for their voice actions and don't really need what Google is developing. Gmail etc is available on all the mobile browsers so that should be good enough for other platforms. Google is the king of search engines and most people use it so Google is getting their foot in the door on all these platforms anyway. Google doesn't rely on any services from any other platform, so yeah...maybe they should stop developing apps for the other guys...there is mobile browser alternatives and this should be good enough for everyone else.

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 21:27

29. lyndon420 (Posts: 4565; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Also...now that Android is doing so well, maybe they can look at making their services more proprietary to the hardware.

posted on 14 Aug 2012, 23:42

30. rudlie (Posts: 205; Member since: 13 Mar 2012)


Mr. Heller, I think your point of view is still focusing at the rivalry between Apple-Google (iOS and Android) instead of the google as a company itself. if you thinking as a google itself, do you want to give up some google services market, especially at iOS user? I think you will not let it gone away. you must realized google's core business is services and information, not a product like android. google must to retain all the possibly market, so the user much much dependable on their services and information. I am not saying google actions will devalue android at all but it just giving very few impacts.

posted on 15 Aug 2012, 01:03

32. aoikemono27 (Posts: 177; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


Open source has no place in a mainstream industry. It is used for experimentation and innovation, yes, and very specific applications, but that just means it works great as a science lab. Most people don't want to be beta testers. They need reliability and dependability, security, and safety. Android's hackable nature makes it a security nightmare. I know some of those kiddos who want everything free love Android, but downloading all those pirated APKs is the main reason why the apps on Android are utter crap compared to other platforms. You can never get it through their thick skulls that a developer is not gonna develop or spend quality time on anything if they don't see a return. It's a job that pays the bills. Those hobby - work on the weekend apps are just as unpolished as they sound.

posted on 15 Aug 2012, 04:04

33. JunkCreek (Posts: 407; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


@aoikemono27

didnt u notice, Android is going like Wndows but in mobike platform? In Windows, there are many apps and games hacked/cracked/keygened/serialed/patched for piracy. Android does the same. 90% Pc and Laptop/Notebook/Netbook using Windows Os, now Android is going to: every mobile phone asus, motorola, lenovo, lg, sony, samsung using Android as its one of core mobile phone market. So it is NOT STRANGE if Android now became the number one mobile OS just like Windows as number one computer OS. Can u imagine if all mobile phone vendor provide each their phone models for specific Os so user can install any Os they like on their phone? Hahaha, thats may be too be good to be true, but, i think Android is the Prototype Os model, remember Android ported on Nokia MeeGo phone and even kindle fire? Thats a hope and a revolutionary mobile phone/tablet could be.

posted on 15 Aug 2012, 04:11

36. JunkCreek (Posts: 407; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


Sorry, had soooo sloooowwww internet connection, i made some correction but then it posted. use my last comment instead.

posted on 15 Aug 2012, 04:46 1

37. achangavi (Posts: 21; Member since: 25 Jul 2012)


not even a little bit.
Android's open nature is the reason that android is absolutely tweakable down to the kernel. Even with jailbroken iOS, that kind of customization is not possible. And for those of you saying that there is a risk of lost exclusivity, I have three words. Buy A Nexus.

posted on 15 Aug 2012, 07:27

39. lyndon420 (Posts: 4565; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


The only way I would buy a Nexus is if somebody else made it. Samsung has had enough turns now.

posted on 15 Aug 2012, 09:11

40. ibap (Posts: 765; Member since: 09 Sep 2009)


The only way Google's openness devalues the OS is if you believe that the more you pay for something the more it must be worth. This is the iOS approach, and plays into the hands of all kinds of branding and advertising. This is also reflected in pharmaceuticals where aspirin or generics have no champion among pharmaceutical firms for new uses, because they can't patent it, and even if it is the best option for some treatments.

posted on 15 Aug 2012, 15:24

41. BomberXL (Posts: 82; Member since: 17 Jan 2012)


it doesnt devalue anything.. in fact, thats what makes the Android opperating system Priceless.

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 10:29

44. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


So Google making apps for everywhere and not giving Android any real advantage makes the system priceless?

posted on 16 Aug 2012, 12:59

45. BomberXL (Posts: 82; Member since: 17 Jan 2012)


absolutely, no doubt about it. in fact the longer Google keeps its OS open source will allow for even more outside develepor involvement. When more people are involved in a project, more gets done. it took years for all the details to be put together, all the specific ideas, patches, apps, and technology to come together beautifully into what is the Android OS. When people know whats in thieir phone and what its running on, their have a better understanding of how to use the phone, function with it, and fix it if there may be problems that do occur. and if a problem does occur, what cna they do? find a way to patch it up themselves. when more minds can collaberate into a project, who knows what limits there are. So i honestly have NO idea what you mean by saying their giving Android no real advantage. Unlike Apple for example, where theres no cosumer to product development interaction. only the ideas of the same developers that have been working with apple products over the years that have been working their OS. they never get a new view or perspective on where to take the product next. When you keep it open source, and theres thousands of developers out there, you bound to get a couple GREAT ideas here and there. inevitably this post doesnt truly come down to the dollar. and i beleive eventually El Goog will be so powerful, it would beat Apple in the long run. Its already monopolizing into the hands of comsumers at an alarming rate. That in my mind is priceless.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 20:24

47. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Aha, but you're talking about something completely separate from what I am. I'm not talking about Android and the code being open source. Of course that has great value as we've seen time and again.

I'm talking about Google products, which are not open-source, and are almost never Android-exclusive either. It's that anti-exclusive model of openness that I'm talking about, and how that devalues Android.

Android in itself has a certain value because of its open-source nature, but the promise of a "Google Experience" falls a bit flat when you can get a similar experience with Google apps no matter what platform you're on.

posted on 20 Aug 2012, 22:14

48. BomberXL (Posts: 82; Member since: 17 Jan 2012)


i see what your saying, and ofcourse they cant keep EVERYTHING open source. Who's to say their not on the road to bring their products open source in the future. ill give you one good reason its not open source... Theres a certain "Patent Pacman" running around if you know what i mean, and ideas are easily gobbled up, i just think Google falls withen the perfect balance of keeping Certain things off limits, while keeping whats most important in the hands of its users. Besides this isnt targeting the closed portion of Google, simply the "Openness"

posted on 17 Aug 2012, 06:54

46. AlexYouOC (Posts: 53; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)


Bomber I'm not sure you understand the point Mike is trying to make. Nobody here has a problem with the fact that Android is an open source OS. The issue is that almost every key feature that Google develops for Android, they also develop for Androids rivals. There really isn't a reason (for the average user) to purchase an Android if they can just get an iPhone that has the exact same Google apps/features on it. Mike is just saying that Android needs some sort of exclusivity, and I agree.

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