Did webOS stand a chance if HP had the patience for it? (Poll Results)
0. phoneArena 20 Mar 2012, 09:39 posted on
Last week, some curious details surfaced revealing that HP initially planned to allow Palm 3 years to fully unveil the power of webOS, but Leo Apotheker stepped in as CEO and cut the time allowance down to a mere year…
This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here
1. Jeromeo (Posts: 135; Member since: 11 Jan 2010)
I'm writing this on my TouchPad. And the only reason why it's not running Android is because the modding community hasn't worked all the kinks out.
2. AbsentbebniM (Posts: 21; Member since: 09 Feb 2012)
@Jeromeo: What relevance did that comment hold in regard to the article? It spoke of what webOS could have been, not what it ended up being. Saying that you'd run Android on your TouchPad if the kinks were all worked out is simply a waste of the 2 minutes it took you to write it.
If HP had not have been so impatient, good things could've come out of webOS. Sure, it was buggy, but so was my first Android phone running version 1.6. If Google had bailed on it then, where would things have led? Think I'm comparing Apples to Oranges? Wikipedia "Android". Google acquired them. Just goes to show the different mentalities from corporation to corporation.
10. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4641; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Still with the abbreviations huh? I thought you don't respect people that use abbreviations? lol
3. Hildy (Posts: 34; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)
I've had small tablets which functioned as a PDA and PMP starting with Palms running all versions of the Palm OS, followed by Nokia's N810 with Maemo OS 2008, followed by an Archos 5IT with Android Donut and Eclair, and now a Samsung Galaxy Player 4.0 with Gingerbread. I've also had large tablets running Windows XP Tablet, Vista, and 7.
In every case, I bought the tablet not for the OS but for what it could or could not do. The problem with WebOS was, is, and will always be the lack of third party functionality. My N810 is a good example. At the time, Palm PDAs were dead and Android PDA/PMPs were not yet available. The N810 was great with what it could do out of the box. Maemo was a good Linux based OS (and it has gone on to become Meego and now Tizen). However, third party support was slim and never really got going. As a result, when the Archos 5IT with Android became available, I jumped on it.
WebOS should have initially focused on leveraging the vast array of Palm OS apps, not with an external emulator but internally as part of the OS. HP's dropping support of the emulator didn't help things. Ultimately the apps sell the OS, not the other way around.
4. downphoenix (Posts: 2743; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)
WebOS was actually a good platform from the start, even better than iOS in some regards, but a lack of initiative from Palm ensured that Android would be able to catch up quickly and even surpass it in many regards, as well as enhancements of iOS too. Then when Palm got bought out, HP ran them even more lazily. Its probably safe to say with how inactive Palm grew after releasing the Pre and Pixi, tells me the HP buyout was a project that was taking a long time.
5. drtech (banned) (Posts: 135; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
I really liked web OS. It was stable smooth and unique. They didn't copy Apple like android. The problem was the hardware and they didn't get developers to make apps for it.
6. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4641; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
I am not even going there with you on the Android copied iOS comment. If Android is a COPY as you say then why can't iOS do what Android can.....? Think about that!
I do agree with you on WebOS. I feel like WebOS was set up for failure. I mean it was never really given a chance to do anything except fail. WebOS did some great things it was just that HP pulled the rug from underneath them, in essence they didn't stand a chance.
HP killed the WebOS star!
7. drtech (banned) (Posts: 135; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
Look who it is. Remember yesterday all day you were claiming iPad would have bad sales because of the lack of lines. Don't you look the fool now after they announced 3 million sold. Are you going to pretend yesterday didn't happen now?
9. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4641; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
Ohh please, Android has CUT into Apple's pie big time. Android now holds over 40% of the tablet market. It's only a matter of time until Android is king of tablets just like Android is king of the smartphones.
Remember Android is on pace to dwarf the tablet segment FASTER than it did on the smartphone segment.
i$heep will always laugh first but Android ALWAYS laughs LAST! lol
Here read this from PhoneArena.com:
11. drtech (banned) (Posts: 135; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
You're changing the subject. Yesterday you trolled all morning saying how Tim Cook was fabricating sales numbers and the iPad wasn't selling well because supposedly you knew a Best Buy manager. I told you that you were wrong and you kept trolling. Then same day Apple announced 3 million sales. You were wrong plain and simple. No one is talking about android growth or the fact that it took a fire sale where they're losing money on the tablets to sell any.
13. DanMarino13 (Posts: 63; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
I say to each their own. but that last response was spot on hilarious! That being said, yes "The New iPad" has sold well, i work at the Best Buy in Coralville, IA in the Mobile Dept, so cell phones for those who don't know. I am very against Apple products in general, mainly because of the way Apple runs things and how it seems that retailers get on their knees for Apple. Yes retailers do bend over for apple, we have a 4' by 4' wall that on BOTH the front AND the back is covered in iPhone cases and accessories. When there are some Androids, Blackberry's, and Windows Phones that have 1 case IF THAT.
14. DanMarino13 (Posts: 63; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
In continuation to my first rant, the new ipad has sold well, but not as well as expected, we thought at my specific Best Buy that if you weren't in line by 7, you would have 0 chance of getting one when we opened at 10. That being said, i came in at Noon the day of release, and we still had PLENTY of embedded on ATT and Verizon and wifi only in both colors and all 3 memory options. I dislike Apple mainly because they are way too high on themselves. Example: Adobe Flash is in none of their products because they say it's not good software, so they won't put it in their hardware. Then they expected websites and other things using Flash to change to accommodate them. That's just plain stupid business. There are pros to Apple though. Easily syncable with all their products, not just the most current. Their iCloud is very impressive with how it magically puts all your content on all your idevices. And they are very simple to use (good or bad depending on the person and customer in my case.) and if you know how to work an ipod touch, you already know how to use your iphone and ipad. The two times i will ALWAYS suggest an Apple product is if they already have other Apple products and plan to stay with them. Or if they are just starting with smartphones and aren't too tech savvy. I promise you i never suggest android to anyone over 65 who doesn't appear to be tech savvy at all. Me personally however, won't own an Apple product, and honestly right now, my next phone will either be, the SGS3 or if Windows Phone comes out with a higher end 4G LTE phone on Verizon soon those will be my two choices. Have fun berating me for one thing or another, i'm already anticipating what you all have to say!
15. drtech (banned) (Posts: 135; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
I think that's an honest opinion without bashing Apple. Apple isn't for everyone and there are pros and cons. Not everyone wants to be locked to iTunes and androids have a wider range of options. Only thing I disagree is not selling well. 3 million in one weekend is beyond all expectations.
17. DanMarino13 (Posts: 63; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)
i do agree those numbers are truly ridiculous, maybe my store just wasn't as busy as other markets, or maybe we got more than what we thought we were. although i did have some guy come in at like 7 and was completely and utterly shocked and surprised that we still had any... either way, 750,000 a day and maybe 12 million in march alone, is crazy. even the ipad 2 was still selling the day before the new ipad came out... so throughout the year and up until the next ipad releases this one will STILL be selling!
16. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4641; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
The fact is that STILL to this day there are launch units of the new iPad at my friends Best Buy. So NO I am not wrong in that statement. I have NEVER changed my stance. At the time the sales numbers stated by Tim Cook & based on what I saw were a little bit in the exaggerated side. Now there is some raw data so I am inclined to believe it. So me as a mature person can live with that.
Also no one was talking about Android on this article until YOU brought them up. This is a WebOS article so if you can change the subject so can anyone. So don't call out someone for doing what you DID first. I makes you look like a FOOL! You need to grow up buddy, life is not that bad.... is it?
Wow why do these i$heep feel entitled to anything & everything? It's like the don't think before they speak! lol
20. drtech (banned) (Posts: 135; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
Fact is you trolled up and down that iPad wasn't selling well. Also you write like a teenage girl.
21. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4641; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)
drtech fine if I write like a teenage girl, then you sound like a poor 35 year old KID who still lives with his Mommy & gets mad when she doesn't buy the Captain Crunch on her weekly trips to the grocery store.
Actually you kind of sound like a teenage girl with all your name calling. Doesn't this sound like a teenage girl in a cat fight with another 14 year old girl:
"Fact is you trolled up and down that iPad wasn't selling well. Also you write like a teenage girl."
I don't know but you do sound VERY convincing! lol
8. speckledapple (Posts: 892; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
Time is something many large companies simply do not want to spend. I think if it was given to a startup of some kind or a smaller company, I am sure webOS would probably grow as they would take the time and dedication to ensuring it works very well. Alas that did not happen so the end result is well clear.
19. A.aoudi (Posts: 125; Member since: 14 Feb 2012)
Web Os is g good OS but with a C.E.O like Meg Whitman the company is looking to go 6 feet under Although i really like them and i hope they make a good comeback
22. Jeromeo (Posts: 135; Member since: 11 Jan 2010)
WebOS was* polished (for 2010 standards), but not quick, not high framerate, not bug free, not responsive, not completely intuitive, and not a true competitor.
It's just another Maemo (I have a N900), Moblin, Java, Bada, LinMo, Meego, and all the other non-supported market slowers. These operating systems are not supported by their parent company backers and they fail!
Developers don't need 8 different OS's to code for. They will pick their favorites and ignore the laggards. End users need a unified system of apps and html5 which are compatible across ALL operating systems.
I'm happy that all of these code are open source, so anyone can take the code and use it to improve a 'relevant' OS...