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Did an app failure cost Romney the presidency?

0. phoneArena 12 Nov 2012, 08:48 posted on

Problems with a poll-monitoring system called Project Orca might have been partially responsible for the difference between the Romney campaign's high expectations for election day, and the actual results which led to an easier than expected victory for President Obama...

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posted on 12 Nov 2012, 11:54 1

33. DROIDX0430 (Posts: 468; Member since: 24 Nov 2010)


Who is up next in 2016 Newt Rove... Who.. The GOP gave it there best shot and still came up lame.. And they so sure of a victory... Sad realism

posted on 12 Nov 2012, 12:33

35. lauremar (Posts: 181; Member since: 29 Feb 2012)


One word - "DEMOGRAPHICS"... The app has nothing to do with why Mittens lost! Wake up people! He and his campaign thought that by getting most of the "white" votes and ignoring latinos, asians and for that matter women (declaring war against them), he would win the Presidency. We all know how that turned out! P.S. the people trolling on this article are the same people Romney and his campaign trying to get the votes from... What sore losers!!! WAAAAAAAAAAA

posted on 12 Nov 2012, 14:18

49. MelvinPainter (Posts: 75; Member since: 05 Apr 2012)


If you want to see the future of America's educational system, just google search-

"API Score Parlier"

The students have much in common-

- Still learning english
- 99% on free or reduced meals
- Worst performing
- 60%+ of parents do not have a HS degree

posted on 12 Nov 2012, 15:41 2

53. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


4 more years! 4 more years!!!

:)))

posted on 12 Nov 2012, 20:13

63. Ruckus (Posts: 286; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)


Whateverman we can't afford 4 more years. We're back in a recession after he spent hundreds of billions (maybe trillions to get us out which proves what the Republicans said as truth). Our taxes are going up! Make no mistake about it. He's not just taxing high income families, he's also raising taxes on the lower and middle income families as well. Not to mention someone such as myself can't afford Obama care. But seeing as we have mindless youths who don't really pay attention to politics the Democrats will win elections.

I'd really like to debate politics if you care to spar with me! It'll be fun :-)

posted on 12 Nov 2012, 18:36 2

62. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


Romney supporters will place the blame where they can, but the fact of the matter is, Obama did BETTER in this election than the previous, despite the fact that the public opinion of him was less than it was in the previous election. Fact of the matter is, Romney is obvious scum and the majority of people thankfully was able to see that and decide to give Obama 4 more years than risk handing the country over a true bureaucrat. The republican party shouldn't have backed such a spineline man, they got pretty close to victory with John Mccain, and that was with SARAH PALIN of all people as his running mate. Imagine what the GOP could have done if they selected their candidates more intelligently.

posted on 12 Nov 2012, 20:21

64. Ruckus (Posts: 286; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)


Obama is huge scum too friend. How you ask? Let's look at it this way, Obama administration went on about how Romney shut down companies and cut jobs right? Of course anyone with an economic background realizes sometimes you must close down failing locations for the benefit of the rest of the company/companies. However! When the Obama administration decided to take GM over they shut down plants and took out Pontiac, Oldsmobile, and Saturn costing jobs. That damn scumbag Obama ;)

posted on 12 Nov 2012, 21:43 1

66. willard12 (Posts: 1729; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


GM decided to shut down Oldsmobile in 2006, during Bush. Pontiac and and Saturn were making redundant cars that were losing money and GM closed them. GM is now back to being the #1 automaker in the world. Part of the TARP that you complain about was a MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT and the payroll tax being lowered from 6.2% to 4.2%. Obama is currently asking congress to extend the Bush tax cuts for those earning under $250,000 while letting them expire for those making above that as a part of the debt deal....this is today. So, "our taxes will go up" is a lie. I'm not sure who told you we are in a recession again after continues growth. Of the $6 trillion in debt run up under Obama, $4.8 trillion are attributed to leftover Bush spending that continued under Obama (Iraq, Afghanistan, Medicare prescription drug program). Obamacare, modeled after Romneycare using 7 former Romney advisors, I guess punishes business owners by making them give their employees medical care...oh the horror. Maybe we should have continued to be the only industrialized country in the world without healthcare while spending the most and while paying for hospitals in Iraq.

posted on 12 Nov 2012, 22:41

67. Ruckus (Posts: 286; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)


Yes! A Government controlled GM shut down Pontiac and Saturn killing jobs! Thanks for proving one of my points!

As for not raising taxes on lower income families is a pile of crap. The Obama administration wants to raise taxes on low income families anywhere from $500-$3500 a year. Mostly on income tax returns. The administration isn't even hiding that information so check it out sometime.

Our healthcare should be changed but not to what Obama nor Romney wanted. Forcing people to get health imsurace is a travesty. I can't afford it for anyone but my daughter. Our economy is falling fast my friend. My 401K has shrunk in half in the last 4 years. Meanwhile my other investments are about to hit dead zero! My pay has shrunk by $400 a month and YET the Obama administration spent TRILLIONS that you CAN'T blame Bush for. Do you realize he spent more than Twice of Bush in half the time?! And yet its because of a failing Health system that was in place during Bush's administration and the same two wars. The money doesn't add up friend.

Now low income me has insurance expenses I can't afford, my taxes will increase (state taxes too woo go Democrats.. not) and yet ill lose more pay at work because now people such as the CEO will be getting taxed higher.

Now is not the time to raise taxes on any class. Certainly not the ones employing us. A business owner that has $300,000 and 10 employees maybe letting people go to save his business and livelihood.

Don't be a sheep. Become more informed. I read and listen to a lot of Liberal/Conservative views and information. Romney wasn't our best choice but compared to Obama he was far superior in many ways.

4 years from now our debt will increase 4-6 trillion dollars more, our armed forces will be shrunken greatly (killing jobs) our unemployment rate will be at least 12%, and yet you same sheep will vote for the next liberal to promise them the world.

Heh afterall we're in a recession again after he spent 900 hundred billion and put it into the economy.

One last note then im done..

The unemployment rate doesn't include those who are part time, or right out of college. Our true unemployment rate isnt good. We will had 146,000 jobs then lose 160,000 in the same month. Now with veterans being released from the military as part of cutbacks there will be far greater unemployment. Cutbacks we wouldn't have to make if the Obama administration didn't waste so much.

posted on 12 Nov 2012, 22:44

68. Ruckus (Posts: 286; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)


I apologize for the typos. PA needs a mobile site because fixing it on a cell phone is horrid.

I know I used the "one last thing" speech already, but keep in mind Vice President Joe Biden admitted we will spend 1 Trillion dollars a year for the next 4 years. Sleep tight knowing Generations to come will suffer for it.

posted on 14 Nov 2012, 06:49 1

76. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1182; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


Ruckus you have it all ass back wards. 1st off Saturn was being sold off because it wasn't profitable to GM. There were no buyers at the price GM wanted it for so they unwound it and let it close.

Hertz wanted to buy Saturn but the asking price was too high so GM let it go with no other offers.

2nd this economy is all because of President Bush you idiot. The Republican run government collapsed our government through war and s**tty investment policies. See the documentary the inside job, or go investigate this. The republicans, and some democrats ran sacked our economy and left you and I on the hook.

When George bush took over we were 3 trillion dollars in debt. When he left office we were 9 trillion in debt , and he left behind a broke failed sinking economy.

His Medicare bill for the elderly helped sink the economy. That bill gave the elderly free health care with no way to pay for it. Companies like US health care got paid by the government for these programs which comes out of tax payer dollars. Go research this then come back before saying no. So in essence Bush's health care bill gave health care companies free reign on making money off of seniors, and is being paid for out of tax dollars. The problem was there was no tax increase to pay for it so it created a deficit.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/08/elec04.medicare/

"Now is not the time to raise taxes on any class. Certainly not the ones employing us"

You don't have a clue about how money works do you. Right now things are getting more expensive....this is called inflation Inflation is a tax that affects the poor more than the rich. Passing taxes to the wealthy will help offset the loss in revenues you "idiot"

I mean "idiot" sincerely too, because don't think for a minute that guys like Mitt Romney give s**t about your poor ass. He said it himself 47% of America just wants free hand outs. You are in the 47% that he was talking about.

Employers don't use tax cuts to hire people Mr. foolish. They use a metric called supply and demand. Even if their taxes went up 50% and demand was high they would hire people.
Any economist will tell you that I am correct low demand no hiring, high demand hiring until demand falls off ok.
The problem is jobs, and manufacturing sent over seas during the Bush administration has killed American jobs....why aren't you complaining about this. Why aren't you complaining that Bush's medicare bill cost 700 billion dollars to the tax payer, and rising. Research this before saying its a lie too.

I cant go into every stupid thing you talk about, but this statement:

" Heh afterall we're in a recession again after he spent 900 hundred billion and put it into the economy."

is also a ridiculous statement, isn't it better to spend money to make our economy rise?

You spent too much time educating yourself with fact less republican sound bites. Educate your self with the truth and then let's have a conversation.

posted on 14 Nov 2012, 07:00

77. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1182; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9328-2005Feb8.html

Ruckus don't think for a moment that raising taxes on CEO's that make as much as 300-400 million dollars is going to kill your job either. You are just so uneducated about this and so misled.

posted on 13 Nov 2012, 00:27 1

69. willard12 (Posts: 1729; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


Dude, I've been in the Army for 16 years, who are these veterans being released that you speak of? When there is a draw down in the military, such as under George H.W. Bush, that is done by reducing recruits. IE, new recruits need to have a diploma rather than a GED. GM and Chrysler have built new plants in Ohio and Michigan and hired after closing Saturn and Pontiac, still not tracking what you're referring to as far as unemployment, but GM and Chrysler were in trouble long before Obama took office and bailed them out. As a someone whose spent 3 years of my life in Afghanistan and Iraq, I know you are just spewing nonsense when you say "veterans being released because of cutbacks." You have no clue about what you're talking about. Or maybe it is me, I've only been a company commander, operations officer, executive officer and manage my units budget. Maybe you can come on base one day and let me know what's going on around here.

posted on 13 Nov 2012, 08:53

71. Ruckus (Posts: 286; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)


First off happy belated Veterans day. I appreciate what you do/have done for our country. As for cutbacks my friend I have 3 friends and my brother all in the Army and they have all been asked to be released early from the Army. Perhaps its their line of work but they are more or less getting kicked out on good terms (2 of them don't want out). These friends/family of mine don't talk to one another so I find it hard to believe that they aren't making cutbacks.

As for GM im not arguing about them shutting down either Saturn or Pontiac. I was making a point to someone else about Bain Capital doing the same to save the company.

As for the bailout on GM I do disagree with us bailing them out! GMs fall would have helped the other auto makers. If Kmart/Sears went under today, the competitors such as Target and Walmart would get an influx in customers. But if course the Government would never do for Sears what it did for GM.

posted on 13 Nov 2012, 12:10 1

75. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 890; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


I'm sick and tired of replicans defending tax cuts for the "job creators". Instead of using money to pay for taxes like they should they use it for lobbyists and political campaigns.

The money used by both parties campaigning is insane. The bottom line is everyone should have to pay for equal share. Only in a backwards world do you pay lower percentages in taxes the more money you make.

posted on 18 Nov 2012, 20:23

78. Ruckus (Posts: 286; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)


Qwikstrike don't be a fool. Raising taxes WILL kill jobs. Maybe not everybodies jobs but ALREADY since Obama has been re elected we've seen companies lay off workers to prepare for the tax hike and Obamacare.

Obamacarehttp://m.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/nov/8/picket-companies-plan-massive-layoffs-obamacare-be/

Qwikstrike unfortunately I've been in the business world for a while. When we had the minimum wage increase back in '06 or '07 that the Democrats pushed for, my company slashed jobs and pay of those making more than minimum wage (like me) lost significant pay. My company also struggled to make it through the times.

You can be blind qwikstrike but when we have a President who has created more Debt than any other President by leaps and bounds in less than 4 years, then we will all have to pay and make sacrifices.

posted on 19 Nov 2012, 09:28 2

79. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1182; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


Ruckus you are the fool, I have been in the business world over 25 years, and trust me demand or lack of demand is what creates or kills jobs. Republicans like Mitt Romney sending jobs, and manufacturing over seas is what is killing America.

Guys like you never look at the catalyst of why we are where we are. You blame the fire fighter for not putting out the fire. Bush/Cheney set the fire in 2000 and tripled our national debt broke our economy shipped jobs over seas and left us in a deficit that we have not climbed out of because of manufacturing and job relocation's in China, India, South America, Vietnam, Mexico, and the Philippines.

http://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/2770517/Mankiw_PoliticsEconomics.pdf?sequence=2
Minimum wage hikes is necessary in times where inflation is running rampant due to the failed policies of the Bush/Cheney administration.

http://www.umich.edu/~ac213/student_projects07/worker/Outsourcing.html

http://terrimeredith.hubpages.com/hub/Outsourcing-The-American-Dream

You can not ship Amerrican jobs over seas and lay off workers, and then expect those people to drive the economy. It is insane, and Bush caused this to happen .You need an education in finances and how our economy is run Taxes from Working class people is what funds our economy!

Working class people buy cars homes television sets, computers, food, and clothing. This buying is called demand. When they are laid off 750.000 a month like when Bush left office demand fall off until those workers are rehired.

However the problem was those jobs never came back because they were all cleverly out sourced as they were being laid off. Wake up pull you head out of your ass and smell the coffee.

No jobs no consumer demand period.... that's whats killing America!

posted on 19 Nov 2012, 11:42 1

80. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


Couldn't have said it better myself.

American products were once viewed as high quality product. All people ever talked about is Made in America, and the talks always linked Made in America to high quality. I for one, is pretty reluctant when buying Made in China products. You never know what's in their products or how they processed it. You could be sourcing their product when product quality test showing everything passed, then couple months later getting a lawsuit saying there's illegal substances in the products. I'm Chinese/Taiwanese myself, yet I go to stores and double check if a product isn't made in China just so I could prevent my family from getting sick.

When they closed the factories here to open up factories outside the country, those are labor jobs lost in the states. The workers hired outside of the country aren't American citizens. The products are being sold here and everywhere else to pay for those workers and the greedy business owners, yet those business owners are receiving tax cuts. The American dollars are pouring out to buy products that's paying those workers in China, not Americans. We need to bring back those labor jobs so those laborers who lost their jobs to people outside our country could get their job back and get our economy running again. Made in USA product were once viewed as high quality products, we shouldn't settle for anything less than that. "Made in USA", itself IS a brand.

posted on 19 Nov 2012, 14:59

81. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


"Raising taxes WILL kill jobs."

That is why all those jobs were killed when Bill Clinton was in office, eh?

posted on 19 Nov 2012, 15:04 1

82. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


"Instead of using money to pay for taxes like they should they use it for lobbyists and political campaigns."

Or, using the money they saved on taxes to go long on oil and gasoline futures.... Don't you find it just the slightest bit curious that when the recession hit, oil dropped to somewhere in the range of $20/barrel from north of $100/barrel? I wonder how much of the drop was due to speculators bailing on their positions? Fast forward to the present, and oil demand still hasn't caught up to where it was back in mid-2008, but prices sure are getting close to where they were in mid-2008.

posted on 19 Nov 2012, 20:39

83. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1182; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


You know that the energy market is rigged. Investors piling into oil to falsely inflate the price for profits is why oil and gas prices are so high.

posted on 20 Nov 2012, 00:44

84. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


And when the 1% have too much $ for their own good (courtesy of their American Taliban representatives), they put it into making energy cost more for the poor schmucks who are living paycheck to paycheck.

If energy purchasers were required to take delivery of the energy they purchased, the scourge that is energy speculation would be banished.

posted on 13 Nov 2012, 03:35

70. nvrhde (Posts: 77; Member since: 10 Nov 2012)


Not an android app

posted on 13 Nov 2012, 11:57

74. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 890; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


Let's do some basic math here:

When it comes to votes campaigning for the 1% < talking smack about 47% of the country. Romney lost not cause of an app but due to his own hubris and incompetence.

posted on 20 Nov 2012, 00:52

85. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


"Romney lost not cause of an app but due to his own hubris and incompetence."

Actually, if Mittens had done a better job of hiding his hubris, the incompetence could have been over-looked. Obama's campaign just did a really good job of defining him as a plutocrat and then he sealed the deal with his comments about the 47%.

Interesting how after the election, he confirms everyone's worst fears with his statements about Obama giving 'gifts' to his constituents.... He really does believe what he said about the 47%.

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