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Deutsche Telekom awaits a bid for T-Mobile that it can accept

0. phoneArena 07 Aug 2014, 22:21 posted on

Now that Sprint has pulled back from making a bid for T-Mobile, there could be a battle for control of the fourth largest carrier in the states. Upstart French telecom Iliad had offered $15 billion for 56.6% of the company, a surprising bid that came out of nowhere. Deutsche Telekom, which owns 67% of T-Mobile's shares, apparently feels that this offer is too low...

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posted on 07 Aug 2014, 22:26 3

1. Planterz (Posts: 1010; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


I don't understand corporate finance or mufti-billion dollar international deals. Heck, I still don't understand wtf Winthorpe and Valentine did to the Duke brothers at the end of "Trading Places".

But it seems to me that holding on to T-Mobile would be a good idea for DT.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 03:03 2

8. Alan01 (Posts: 201; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)


In the movie, Winthorpe and Valentine stole a report on the Orange juice Crop that the Dukes were getting to see before others. The false report showed a shortage of oranges, so the Dukes started buying OJ futures in anticipation that the price would rise when the report came out.

On the other side of the transactions, Winthorpe and Vallentine were selling the OJ contracts "short". That means that they sold it without owning them, in antricipation of a price drop.

Of course, when the real report was issued, OJ futures dropped sharply making a fortune for Winthorpe and Valentine, and big losers of the Dukes.

In real life, there is a limit to how much certain commodities can move in a single day, which was ignored for this scene.

Alan F.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 14:14

14. corporateJP (Posts: 1772; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


LOL, you guys.

Trading Places is on my all-time Top 10 list.

Such a great film....

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 08:39

12. DocOc (Posts: 138; Member since: 23 Apr 2014)


It is a good idea for DT to hold on to TMO theoretically, but you have to understand that this is a fringe investment for DT. Their market is Germany and they have plenty to think about their. TMO is a not exactly profitable at the moment even though they are producing solid revenue. DT wants to concentrate on the market they are familiar with and not have to deal with all of the chaos that is happening in the U.S. cellular market.

posted on 07 Aug 2014, 22:33 2

2. bradley8795 (Posts: 37; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)


The problem DT has is that it is a low dollar low reward investment for them. They could put the money to much better use elsewhere. It's basically like saving money, would you rather have your money in a savings account making 0.01% interest or in a money market account making 12%. T-Mobile is the savings account that DT is trying to sell.

posted on 07 Aug 2014, 23:17 1

3. fanesxx (Posts: 73; Member since: 19 May 2011)


they don't know what they have, isn't wireless the future ,this can turn into a cash cow

posted on 07 Aug 2014, 23:38 2

5. Augustine (Posts: 777; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)


Yeah, I was bewildered by this, that DT wants cash to invest in cable. I don't know about Europe, but the youth stateside is not signing up for cable. Although I'm no youth, I ditched cable over a couple of years ago and don't look back.

posted on 07 Aug 2014, 23:42 1

6. Jyakotu (Posts: 823; Member since: 12 Dec 2008)


Cable isn't just television. Cable Internet is huge everywhere, so they probably want to invest in bringing faster speeds to their cable Internet service, which I assume they have. Also, despite what reports are saying, people are still signing up for cable TV packages.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 04:03 1

9. leroy98 (Posts: 8; Member since: 29 Jun 2014)


Yup, they want to invest in bringing faster speeds.
They also want to invest in other countries where T-Mobile is active.
Such as United Kingdom and The Netherlands and Poland, Austria and more. In Germany they will now fiber everything. Deutsche Telekom wants speed at a limit of 200Mb/s and Full HD television and HD-Voice. T-Mobile Netherlands is now upgrading their network, everything will be replaced with Huawei SRAN. At the end of 2013 T-Mobile NL had no LTE.
Now there are LTE speeds up to 150Mb/s and other carriers are rolling LTE-advanced out in NL and Germany. These are several reasons why it cost that much.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 00:21 1

7. sputtle (Posts: 7; Member since: 23 Jan 2013)


Even wireless internet still has to use cable. Wireless providers have coverage to 98% of the U.S. and every single wireless transmission has to go through a cable. Controlling the highest density lines is big business.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 11:09 1

13. Jason78 (Posts: 70; Member since: 10 Apr 2013)


Wireless communications only travel a short distance wirelessly. Your phone connects to the cell phone tower wirelessly. Then the call travels over fiber optic cables to the tower closest to the person you are calling. Only the very ends of the call are wireless.

Deutsche Telekom is also expanding into eastern and southern Europe. They own majority stakes in some companies and minority stakes in other companies. Deutsche Telekom wants to increase their ownership stake in these companies and they need the money they have investing in T-Mobile to do that.

posted on 07 Aug 2014, 23:36 2

4. Augustine (Posts: 777; Member since: 28 Sep 2013)


After waiting so long for an offer for T-Mobile that it can accept, it won't be long when DT will receive an offer it cannot refuse.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 05:11 2

10. Slammer (Posts: 1121; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)


---"Höttges wouldn't mind if T-Mobile were no longer his headache."---

The US wireless industry platform is so different than overseas. The two largest carriers have successfully gained the control and foothold needed to secure top positions leaving Tmobile and Sprint to beg for custody as viable competiton. Softbank found out the red tape and DT has been trying to unload TMO regardless of how well TMO appears to be doing. No matter who purchases TMO, the power has landed fully in the hands of AT&T and VZW. It will be a very tough climb.

John B.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 05:43

11. mike2959 (Posts: 266; Member since: 08 Oct 2011)


It's actually NO DIFFERENT than overseas. Every country has 2 big player's, heck some only have 1. We have have 4, plus about 6 regional, and a crap load of MVNO'S so the wireless industry isn't that bad here.

posted on 08 Aug 2014, 14:21

15. corporateJP (Posts: 1772; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


At the end of the day, regardless of how it seems, there's only really two solid carriers in the United States.

The MVNO's and, in quite a few cases, even Sprint and T-Mobile are using the Big Two's networks. Sprint roams a boatload off of Verizon's network outside of Metropolis, U.S.A. as does T-Mobile off of AT&T (a bit less by the numbers on the last one, but it still occurs nonetheless).

It's good for the fact you have full nationwide service now with all the carriers, but as a business model, it sucks for competition and pricing.

Minutes are like water now, however, but data in itself is gold.

If you live in the city and never leave, T-Mobile is boss-status. If you're rural, it's AT&T or Verizon depending on where you go.

I get to make sense of this on a daily basis, it's my job by default....

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