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Despite recent stock surge, Nokia could be sliding on Palm-like downward spiral

0. phoneArena 20 Dec 2012, 09:26 posted on

Nokia stock has surged to over $4 apiece today as hopes are mounting that the Lumia 920 Windows Phone 8 is selling well, but that might be only temporary…

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posted on 20 Dec 2012, 09:30 10

1. wendygarett (unregistered)


Analyst from bgr? PASS!!!

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 09:57 5

12. persim (Posts: 18; Member since: 11 Dec 2010)


Analyst is from Barclay Capital not BGR.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 17:53 1

50. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)


haha ok wendy ok lol :)

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 19:19 1

54. apocalypsebc (Posts: 148; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)


HTC has to keep stepping it up. I'll be switching to Nokia once Sprint get them in 2013. Black berry might be a forth eco system. Nokia will continue to succeed and grow along with Windows Phone 8 / Windows 8 if Nokia make a tablet as well. Is apple losing shares in the stocks?

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 09:33 7

2. androidlikeaboss (Posts: 40; Member since: 16 Nov 2012)


HTC seriously needs to advertise its phones, or else Samsung will kick its a** every time

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 09:39 5

4. OHaZZaR (Posts: 131; Member since: 19 Aug 2011)


HTC seriously needs to start innovating. The GALAXY Note II has the S-pen and all it's features which include S-Note, Air view, paper artist, multi window view. The GALAXY SIII has those features, minus the S-pen. The Droid DNA, well the screen is 1920*1080, and it looks appealing but other than that, nothing special. Same goes for the One X, which isn't getting any traction right now, as opposed to the SIII which is still one of the worlds most popular phones.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 09:50 9

9. androidlikeaboss (Posts: 40; Member since: 16 Nov 2012)


I don't see any problems with HTC phones,they have great design and feels great,they just need advertising and maybe a removable battery/ micro SD card slot to attract ppl to buy its phones

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 10:32 2

21. MeoCao (unregistered)


Nothing can save HTC really, imagin a fight btn 100 kg boxer (SS) and 50kg boxer (HTC). HTC needs a gun LOL provided their opponent does not have one.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:11

28. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1360; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


remember David and Goliath ....if htc lands a critical hit they will be back in the game , if not retreat

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:47

35. MeoCao (unregistered)


That's exactly what I mean: David had special skill: he could throw stones and he was smarter than Goliath.

Until now HTC is a David that has less skills and is dumber than Goliath.

What do you think the outcome will be? LOL

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 17:57

51. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)


David had "faith" is what he had! lol theres was no way he was going to kill Goliath with a meesley stone.... so maybe we should do what he did (have faith) for the benefit of a good company such as HTC..........jus maybe :)

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:48 2

36. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)


I bought Note 2 for its features. But not everyone wants those features. One positive about Android eco system is choices. HTC is a good choice when it comes to good looking UI (Subjective) and good design. If someone prefers that oer features, its understandable. People want their phone to look good. I too was confused, but Note 2 was more suited for my needs.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 09:41 2

5. android_hitman (Posts: 627; Member since: 07 Jul 2010)


HTC seriously must appreciate their customers like Sammy does.... HTC keeps f***ing fans over and over again.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 09:49 2

8. Emily1985 (Posts: 123; Member since: 08 Nov 2012)


Yes, what is the HTC flagship phone?
one X or one x+ or DNA or M7 ??

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 10:04 2

15. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


True that, and also, they should make more gimmicky softwares and add-ons. It's an effective way to gain customers which don't want to alter their stock roms(pop up play, multiwindow, airview,snote, etc.)

And the updates should keep on coming. Seriously, HTC Sensation, sensation XE not supported after a year? That's just sick.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:12 2

30. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)


The Rezound was launched within a week of the ICS announcement, and HTC promised an update in early 2012. It didn't sell well and making ICS updates turned out to be more difficult, so it wasn't updated until August. The update that was given is very buggy and has many problems. HTC has stopped support, and that perfectly capable phone, is almost useless.

posted on 21 Dec 2012, 02:17

56. webOSlove (unregistered)


*cough* HP *cough*

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 10:11 8

16. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5876; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


And stop doing carrier exclusives. Come to think of it, the no-carrier exclusive rule applies to all three of them - they need every sale they can get.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 10:17 3

18. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


Hey... that's what I said... thumb up man!

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:02 3

24. MeoCao (unregistered)


It's easier said than done man. HTC does not have power like SS or Apple to push the carriers.

maybe later Sony can but Sony must build up their Xperia brand first.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 09:38 13

3. Emily1985 (Posts: 123; Member since: 08 Nov 2012)


Sorry, but nothing can stop Nokia Now!
Nokia have the best SmartPhone and the best CameraPhone in the world(Lumia 920, 808)

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 10:58 3

23. MeoCao (unregistered)


Nothing, except MS and Elop so MS can buy Nokia for $1.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:52 3

39. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)


I personally Nokia will rise to the occasion. Windows Phone is starting to take off and who better than Nokia to cash in?

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:53 1

40. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)


Nokia is too much dependent on OS. WP8 is good and has potential. But ecosystem takes time to develop and Windows needs to get better constantly. Android on the other hand, gives OEMs a free hand. That's why NAtureUX, Sense or Timescape are different. Even if Android doesn't innovate for one iteration, OEMs will. 4.2 wasn't a major upgrade, but Premium Suite took 4.1 to a new level. As long as Windows Phones do fine, Nokia is good and deserves to be a competitor. I want a Windows phone competitor without HTC having a monopoly over it.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 09:42 7

6. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3013; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


Analysts predicts PA will report that this statement by analysts might be slightly false.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 09:55 4

11. wendygarett (unregistered)


And analyst predict you will meet wenda at the end of the Mayan calendar lol :)

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:12 5

29. MeoCao (unregistered)


Wenda? not Wendy?

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 09:48 3

7. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


This is not the palm days nor the smart phones of yesteryears. The game is different. f**king analyst and tech pundits! Always trying their best to pull Nokia down. I'm not sure why they added HTC and Rim. Now I'm rooting for all three hoping they succeed against their love child Apple and the like.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 10:27 1

19. MeoCao (unregistered)


It's not analysts who pull Nokia down, it's MS and their covered agent Elop.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 09:55 3

10. ryq24 (Posts: 509; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


palm does not have the sales network of nokia so they are both different. nokia have sales office all over the world while palm is concentrated on north america and some few countries.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 10:54 2

22. threed61 (Posts: 130; Member since: 27 May 2011)


Palm also had terrible hardware and a laggy OS, neither of which is the case with Nokia today. It may turn out that consumers have simply moved on from both Nokia and Microsoft.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 10:02 1

13. redmd (Posts: 896; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


I'm hopeful for Nokia. but sadly their phones aren't getting much attention from customers, so I kinda slightly agree with these analysts.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 18:00 2

52. Bilpocalypse (Posts: 301; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)


I disagree. Nokias are starting to get alot of attention from customers. The biggest problem I've seen from them is getting them in so I can sell them. I've had many customers "settle" for the Atrix HD, or (god forbid) some crappy LG simply because I can't get the Lumias in fast enough. They are on the upslope right now, but they need to get them out a little faster to the retailers.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 10:02

14. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


It would only be true if Nokia fails to make a great follow up right a way. They should do what Samsung is doing right now, creating two flagships released every 6 months(s3 note2). Besides, they were the ones who started such trend. Remember n70 then, n73 and n95? A great follow up could save them. Also, they should catch up with the on going demand.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 12:11 1

46. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)


They are ignoring their traditional markets. Take India for instance, which I believe was the main reason for their success. I rarely saw Palm, Samsung or Sony in people's hand. People here still trust Nokia. Yes, they do. General people don't know much about Android. They know about Brands. Apple for them is status. Nokia is trust worthy. Samsung lies somewhere in the middle (I know, that's what she said), HTC is unknown. Still they haven't brought their flagship to India. People are buying Windows Phone 7 phone and are complaining about it. They should introduce Lumia before the words gets out. Its a great piece of hardware. Windows phone has a chance in Indian market.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 21:11 1

55. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


Actually, in terms of markets, India and Philippines are in very same place. Nokia's well known, yet it's the last one to get their best phones. Take lumia 900 for an instance. It never landed to any carrier here in Philippines. And also, not even a single carrier is planning to release 920. Unlike Samsung's galaxy flagships and Apple's so old iPhone that gets an event in every launch.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 10:12 3

17. xtplnet (Posts: 39; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)


One thing can save Nokia ,and that is first Fired Stephen Elop and accept both ecosystems Android and Windows Phone 8 like HTC and Samsung !! and thats it

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 10:30 3

20. Loubielou (Posts: 226; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Nokia is only in the Bad position now because of a Chairman who knew nothing about what People want to be able to do with there Smartphones,Mr Elop just acted like a Salesman for Microsoft as they knew they were Miles behind Apple,Symbian was so Simple to use an so easy to Customize how your phone looked,but Windows is Nothing like that,so Loads have left Nokia for Android phones,Why did Nokia make there phones preform like the iPhones was Wrong as well,Nokia as got no Back-Up Plan if Windows Fails,Until Mr Elop is Sacked or Resigns then Nokia will Struggle in 2013

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:03

25. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


You're too funny meocow.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:09 1

27. MeoCao (unregistered)


Haha, have a lot of food stamps with nothing to do so...

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:08

26. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


@redmd Nokia phones not getting noticed by customers? Where have been hiding or still sleeping?! Get out of there. Its time to wake up and smell the fresh coffee or more or less the new Nokia! Geesh!

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:12 1

31. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


@meocow you sure have alot of grudge against Nokia and MS. You got tech molested by them or something?

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:26 1

33. MeoCao (unregistered)


I just say what I think, and not what other people think

Seriously MS is bad for technology and very corrupt company. You know why Google is not doing well in China? They stood up against the Chinese Govt. MS bribes many govts including the Chinese and that's the fact not many know.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:22

32. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


@meocow you mean google-stamps... Lolzzz

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:27

34. MeoCao (unregistered)


I know food stamps, what is google-stamps?

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:49 1

37. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


For a corrupt company, they sure do alot of donations. Especially gates. There is alot of hate for MS and I yet to hear that bribe in the news. I'm sorry but i thought Google Android was doing pretty well in China.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:58

42. MeoCao (unregistered)


Maybe Gates wants to save his soul? This has nothing to do with tech.

Android is doing well b-c Android is great OS and it's free, not b-c of Chinese Govt's support.

Google has lots of troubles with the Chinese Govt, that's fact and if you don't know you can ask other people or search about it on Bing (w/o Google bias lol)

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 12:02

44. iDroidWin (Posts: 117; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)


Google services are not there for locals. Chinese govt. doesn't want their citizens to get exposed to real world of freedom. The massacre done by their government is better known outside China than in China. Communist wanted Google to censor results. Google complied to some extent, acknowledging different context but chinese are known to push it too much. That's when Google refused to comply. Left China. Usually Chinese are not in the mainstream. Chinese have their own version of FB, watsapp and twitter. I am not sure what search engine they use, may be bing. This the reason Apple will fall in China. Local manufactures, like Oppo, Xiaomi, Meizu are providing local services which are actually used by Chinese, using Android. Xiaomi has strikingly similar ecosystem to that of Apple.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:52 4

38. Joshing4fun (Posts: 1047; Member since: 13 Aug 2010)


What's with all the windows hate articles today?

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 11:56 1

41. Thephonegeek (Posts: 118; Member since: 22 Nov 2012)


Yeah, a news from BGR. That's why I checked the source first and stopped reading this article.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 12:00 2

43. Thephonegeek (Posts: 118; Member since: 22 Nov 2012)


The problem of meocao is, he is biased towards Android and a MS hater.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 12:09

45. MeoCao (unregistered)


And u r right!

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 12:17

47. MeoCao (unregistered)


And this does not necessarily mean what I say about MS is wrong.

Is it you Lubba?

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 12:18 1

48. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


You know, our arguments, likes and dislikes, are about because of a company and their evil ways, but surely MS and Goggle are evil in their own right. Though you do see news of MS donating money to startups, tech schools and so forth. A balance of the evil act. free is good but MS is not an add company but a software. They have to make some money from their hard work, to pay for their employees. To pay for the great services you get on Xbox and business services and so forth.

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 12:24

49. MeoCao (unregistered)


save Apple most big campanies do charity work, it's part of PR activity to build company's image.

The amount of charity that MS gave is nothing compared to the harm it brings to tech world.

I don't know much about Google's "evil" side except they are accused of selling users' data. Do u know more?

posted on 20 Dec 2012, 18:06 1

53. snowgator (Posts: 3245; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Okay MeoCao.... nice slams without any real backing. I am fine with the fact you do not like MS... but you are living in resentment with no real reason. Know what conflict materials are? They are materials used in electronics mined in conditions like blood diamonds- at the benefit of warlords and at the detriment of those doing the mining. According to those who keep account of these things- both Microsoft and Nokia do a great job of keeping these materials out of their supply chain:

http://www.enoughproject.org/publications/getting-conflict-free

Way better then RIM, Samsung, LG, or Apple.

Also receiving great recognition for environmental standards:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/see/archive/2011/09/19/microsoft-hong-kong-wins-environmental-award.aspx

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/see/archive/2012/10/03/microsoft-receives-green-power-leadership-award.aspx

Throw in their exemplary charity donations and school support you have a company not doing too shabby.

I am sure you can find links to MS doing poorly, but really- you think somehow Google is pure?? Not a chance.

MS is trying. Better then a lot of companies.

posted on 21 Dec 2012, 02:21 2

57. webOSlove (unregistered)


This isn't a "Palm" story. Palm failed because they didn't have the money to execute with their original business plan, so they had to make alterations that sent them on a death spiral.

Nokia has money.
and they don't screw over customers like HP/Palm.

posted on 21 Dec 2012, 09:33

58. Loubielou (Posts: 226; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Everyone seems to Realise Mr Elops Plan with Microsoft,he keeps Downgrading Nokia an then Microsoft steps in a Saves Nokia ,so Mr Elop does not seem to be the Correct Chairman at Nokia,Microsoft just want this to Happen to get there Portfolio Boosted as its Miles behind Apples

posted on 21 Dec 2012, 16:29 1

59. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1101; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


I believe Nokia will survive. Windows [phone 8 is based on the Windows NT Kernel a powerful Network PC OS that is used in windows 7, Vista , XP windows windows 2000 and windows NT it is versatile and well known and more powerful than IOS and Android. A lot of folks have written software for Windows NT. If I had to depend on any smart phone OS out there it would be windows 8. as more people get used to the tiles interface of windows 8 and it gets more Apps it will be the Power house OS of smart phones and Nokia is right there in the middle of it. but I am in shock they did not make a windows 8 tablet..Tthe Windows RT OS is new and it will take at least a year to get a nice portfolio of apps in it's store. it is the closest Windows Tablet OS to Ipads and android OS because like them it only uses touch screen designed apps that are in it's store

posted on 22 Dec 2012, 06:25

60. Loubielou (Posts: 226; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Just can"t wait to see Nokias reaction when Jolly release a New Meego Smartphone,as the Nokia N9 just showed how bad things are at Nokia,they created a Superb phone with new Software on it,but Nokia would not Allow the N9 to be sold Globally to Improve the Sales an Shares at Nokia,Mr Elop was so Scared of the Meego N9 being more popular than Windows,but this could have helped Nokia with another ecosystem instead of just Windows

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