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Designed for quick updates, why hasn't the CDMA Samsung GALAXY Nexus received Android 4.1?

0. phoneArena 26 Aug 2012, 15:34 posted on

With Android 4.1 introduced in June. why hasn't Verizon updated the Samsung GALAXY Nexus?; this is supposed to be a pure Google experience phone designed to receive quick updates while the International model of the Samsung Galaxy S III is expected to get updated this coming week...

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posted on 26 Aug 2012, 15:41 9

1. Femto (Posts: 61; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)


Inexcusable. Weak. End of story.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 15:42 8

2. cjo1992 (Posts: 22; Member since: 04 May 2012)


I'm assuming Verizon users will be getting it around this time next year. Took a long time for Verizon Nexus owners to get 4.04.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 21:06 2

42. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2677; Member since: 26 May 2011)


It won't take a year, but Verizon testing is certainly to blame, just like with the 4.0.4 update. I'd bet the Verizon GNex gets Jelly Bean before the end of the year.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 21:34 4

44. PapaSmurf (Posts: 8581; Member since: 14 May 2012)


I'm sure he was exaggerating.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 15:48 6

3. androidornothing (Posts: 143; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


We come to the conclusion that you shouldnt rely on carriers to give you updates because they always screw things up. If you really want the latest and greatest you should just root and get a custom ROM. i havent done that yet with my Verizon GS3 but if Jelly Bean takes too long to get on verizon i might just root and get Sexy Bean loll

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:41

60. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


Just buy unlocked , easy and simple .
Why you Americans like contracts so much ?

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 01:00

63. CommentBoxEnforcer (Posts: 82; Member since: 13 Feb 2012)


Cause Verizon network the s**t

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 11:38

67. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


verizons network is great, how ever, in reality your paying nearly double that of Tmobile to get only a few % better coverage nation wide. If you dont travel a lot or are not out in the boonies, your just blowing your $$.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 15:58 1

4. imkyle (Posts: 1006; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)


When you buy a phone from a carrier expect not to get the updates asap. If you want the update either root the device like one user said or shell out hundreds of dollars for the unlocked version. Big red and Sprint are pathetic with updates. The other two seem to be trying at least.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 16:00 6

5. 14545 (Posts: 1117; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


one of the many reasons I'm considering leaving verizon. It's one thing to hold up the updates(but not the source) on devices like the Rezound(which I own) and other carrier locked phones. But on a Dev device, just update the damn thing. It's not like we are talking about an S3, or Bionic, we are talking about a phone that most normal customers don't buy. Not to mention, VZW needs to revise their testing policy. My rezound had the ICS update on the HTC page (accidentally) a month and couple of weeks before VZW got around to finally pushing the update out to US. Screw the carriers. I want carrier UNLOCKED phones(IE an European styled system) that get their updates straight from the manufacturer.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:44

61. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


Buy a phone unlocked then use it on AT&T / Tmobile !
Well the Asian and the European system doesn't mean all phones are unlocked , just that even the contract phones are GSM model that will get updated as the unlock variant . Just that you could not switch carriers during the contract period

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 16:01 5

6. niteiknight (Posts: 7; Member since: 02 Aug 2012)


Basically what it boils down to is, if you care at all about timely updates, you might wanna get comfortable with the idea and steps for rooting and flashing a new ROM. It really isn't hard, and takes maybe an hour. Before you know, you practically have a brand new phone. Android's all about customization. It's nice to have the manufacturers and carriers provide updates, but for power users, you really shouldn't be relying on either of them to help you.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 16:20 3

11. Femto (Posts: 61; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)


Agreed. Well stated, Ser.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:44

62. thelegend6657 (unregistered)


Buy an unlocked phone ?

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 16:03 3

7. bobnnate (Posts: 25; Member since: 28 Aug 2011)


I've never understood this type of thinking by Verizon. They test so vigorously, but wht not just push it out and if there's a bug just patch it. Its not like it would hurt Verizon's reputation any at all either way. This is just stupid at his point

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:17 1

27. lsutigers (Posts: 739; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)


They test so vigorously but it's not like their updates go SO MUCH smoother that other carriers and Verizon is indeed the slowest of the big 4 US carriers in updating phones. They all suck, dont get me wrong, but out of the two carriers mentioned in this article, Sprint is much better at updating phones.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 16:15 1

8. cj100570 (Posts: 204; Member since: 12 May 2009)


The average consumer couldn't care less! The only people bellyaching are the so called power users. I've had my LTE Galaxy Nexus since launch day. And although I wish the Jelly Bean update would be pushed out sooner rather than later, I know Verizon takes forever to push out updates and I'm biding my time until they do. 99% of those claiming they're leaving Verizon because of slow updates are full of (s)ugar (h)oney (i)ced (t)ea! Verizon service is awesome and moving to another carrier because of slower than expected updates is about as smart as cutting off your arm because it's not long enough to reach that itch on your back that you can't get to. You know the one I'm talking about.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 16:25

12. Femto (Posts: 61; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)


Sad but true. Verizon is a double-edged biotch; and they've got me.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 16:15 1

9. MartyK (Posts: 714; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


My question is this--

Google can sell the GSM model phone in the play store, why can't they sell the CDMA model in the store too?.

Can someone answer that?.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 17:54 5

17. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)


Because GSM is a more universal technology. You need only a SIM card and you are good to go. CDMA technology however, uses ESN (electronic serial number).

Heres the problem: This serial number is issued by the carrier. You can't just make one up. When you want to activate this device you must give the carrier the ESN and it must match in their system. Note: Boost, Sprint, Metro PCS, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, ALL USE CDMA but you cant take your EVO to Metro PCS, you must flash the firmware to another Metro ESN in order to trick their system into thinking that its a Metro Phone.

Google doesnt need permission to sell GSM phones, but they would need permission to sell a CDMA phones (they need the carrier to issue an ESN). Also 1 GSM phone will work for many carriers while a CDMA phone will only work for 1 carrier.

SIDENOTE: the reason CDMA Nexus are not opensource is because Verizon and Sprint want Google to lock the phones so that developers cant gain access to the ESN (if they were unlocked, someone can easily change the ESN and take their Nexus to a cheaper prepaid carrier). That is why the Verizon and Sprint versions of the Nexus are not developer phones and dont get the updates from Google.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 22:34

49. kanagadeepan (Posts: 681; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)


So CDMA Nexus is NOT a pure Nexus device... If ONLY official updates is what people want (and rooting and flashing custom ROM is not their cup of tea), then better they get GSM Nexus device always...

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:02

54. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)


That is correct. Except the last thing you said: "always". Maybe in the future Carriers can work something out with Google to make the CDMA versions also developer devices so that Google can push the updates OTA directly without Verizon/Sprint telling them they want to test it first.

Here is a link that backs up my statement:
goo.gl/KxFtl

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 11:24

65. Phullofphil (Posts: 801; Member since: 10 Feb 2009)


well that is not all true because the galaxy nexus and well all of verizon LTE phones now go by sim cards and despite what verizon would like youto think you can jut put a sim card from your older lte pone in ther and it will work. I am using my galaxy nexus right now with my gs3 sim card and it works perfactly

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 12:55 1

69. HäckeMáte (Posts: 168; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)


So you swapped LTE simcards between 2 phones on your account and it worked. I would be truly surprised if it didnt work. What does that have to do with the topic?

btw you do realize that the SIMcards for LTE are not for GSM.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 16:16 1

10. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


The updates is the biggest most frustrating flaw that Android has... and they don't even have control over it.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 18:35 4

19. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)


youve obviosly never owned an iPhone, that takes more than a year to update to next iOS version, and Windows phone (dont even go there) Or perhaps RIM updates are much more timely? Dont think so. Considering Androids competition, its the OS thats most frequently updated hands down.

When I owned my OG Nexus ONE. I saw it update from Eclair to Froyo to Gingerbread all within a 1 year span.

The CDMA vesions of Nexus devices are NOT official developer devices and therefore will NEVER get the updates upon release.

Anyone that doesnt like it will have to complain to the carrier or to the manufacturer NOT to Google. The only Non-nexus Android device I will consider buying will be the RAZR HD, because Moto will now unlock it, therefore I can manually update, and seeing that Google owns motorola I shouldnt have a problem finding the ROM.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 18:54 1

21. bucky (Posts: 1497; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


I want what you're smoking. Apple announces an update and everyone gets it at the same time...even 3GS owners.

Androids biggest flaw is in fact, the updates. Drives me nuts watching my android phones decrease in value like crazy and not knowing if they will receive the next update. The droid razor supposedly sold more than the iPhone and yet it just now received an update for (what is now) an old version of android.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:01 1

24. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


You saw the point I was making. Thanks lol

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:14 3

26. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)


bucky, the updates Apple releases are to fix the garbage they make (patches). 5.0 to 5.0.1 to 5.1 is really STILL iOS5 that came out in October of last year.

As for the reason most apple devices get it at the same time is because you are only dealing with one company, apple.

The bottleneck here are manufacturers that dont want to support old devices that thyeve discontinued. Theyve moved on to other projects. However Nexus devices have ALWAYS gotten quick and frequent updates OTA, (apple just got on the ota bandwagon)

Verizon and Sprint Nexus devices dont count. They may be Nexus devices but are not oficial developer devices.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:57 1

34. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


So your answer is you can only have 1 phone from only 2 major cell phone companies if you want to be satisfied with Android updates?

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:24 2

38. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)


I was not providing an answer, nor proposing a solution. I was responding to your false claims in regards to Android updates being a "flaw"

How you got that interpretation is beyond me...
I still hope your talking about Nexus devices receiving updates because I'd like to stay on that subject (that IS what the article is about).

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:33

30. HäckeMáte (Posts: 168; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)


@bucky

sir the RAZR launched with Gingerbread LESS than a year ago, and it is now running ICS

iPhone 4S launched BEFORE the RAZR and it is STILL runing iOS5...

BTW I think 305 is refering to Nexus devices since that is what the article is about. Not touchwizzed, HTC Sensed, or MotoBlurred versions of Android.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 18:56 1

22. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


You obviously didn't see the point I was making. Apple products are actually the best at updates, because there's a release date typically yearly that is available IMMEDIATELY for all compatible devices. Some Android phones are still getting ICS updates and plenty of devices are being completely ignored for just that. We're not even talking Jellybean here... Luckily for me ASUS supplied Jellybean for their tablets so I'm enjoying that update at least.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:21 1

28. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)


Dude, just to give you ONE example, of a device thats NOT EVEN a nexus:

EVO 3D: launched summer of last year with froyo, quickly recieved Gingerbread, and just recently got ICS... but youre complaining it doesnt have JB... smh

umm ok? I guess your right... maybe apple does roll out them updates quickly? you kno... since iOS 4 just came out 2... YEARS ago!

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:14 1

36. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


Dude, you're just not getting it. If there's updates that are pushed out that update Android, WHY CAN'T THE PHONES JUST BE UPDATED TO THE MOST CURRENT VERSION! Are you so blind? Why be restricted to just a Nexus from AT&T or T-Mobile if you want the updates to come at a reasonable time? If I buy a flagship contract phone for $300 I would expect the updates to be just as frequent as if I were to buy the Nexus. For that matter if I buy any phone that is capable of sustaining the upgrade, it shouldn't matter how much I pay for the phone, it should receive OTA updates regardless because I didn't pay to have a phone that's already behind the technology that has already been out. I'm sure the people who just bought the GS3 are going to be excited to keep waiting to receive their JB update.

Apple does one update per year, no it's not much but like I said, you at least know that you have the most up-to-date version of iOS.

The waiting game BS that OEMS and carriers give 99% of Android phones needs to stop. I shouldn't have to risk bricking my phone rooting it just so I can have timely updates.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:39 2

40. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)


easy there Jay. Take a breather... IDK if you noticed but EVERYONE that buys a Nexus buys it because they get the official update before everyone and in a timely manner.

If you are JUST now finding out that all the respective manufacturers have their own individual responsibilities of updating their own devices, and that most of them take their sweet time, Im sorry to be the bearer of bad news but that is just never going to happen... EVER.

When Google announces a software update, its always for the Nexus. And when its finally released the manufacturers race to port their MotoBlur, Touchwiz, Sense UI on top of it.

You need to take that battle up with your manufacturer... Angry letters with the precise tone you are currently expressing may do the job.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 22:45

52. VZWuser76 (Posts: 1578; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)


Maybe part of the reason is there isn't a lot of differentation between iphone models. What I mean is you've got the original iPhone through the 3GS where there wasn't a lot of difference between them. All of them were setup officially for AT&T only (in the US). Then for the 4/4S you also don't have alot of difference between them, OS wise. There is a different processor, but that won't make much difference. Then the only thing you have is three different radios for Verizon, Sprint, & AT&T. On none of these Apple devices do you have any carrier programs or custom software (other than radio drivers).

Now look at Android phones. With skinned devices you not only have the skin for EACH model to deal with, but you also have the radios and any carrier bloatware that they require before the update is pushed. And usually each carrier had differences in the skin itself in respect to any variants that were released to multiple carriers. That's why the S3 is such a departure, other than a couple of preloaded apps and the radio drivers, an S3 on Verizon is the same as an S3 on Sprint, AT&T, and T-Mobile. That makes it much easier to update for Samsung.

Where this falls apart is with the Galaxy Nexus. AT&T, T-Mobile, and the international versions are all pretty much the same (again other than radio bands). All of them use a SIM to activate service. So changing a carrier is as simple as swapping one carrier's SIM for another's (assuming the phone has the capability to run on both carriers bands). With CDMA, they use a ESN number for acitvate a phone on the network. The SIM in the Verizon Nexus is only for data on their LTE network, not for voice. Because of this the carrier can determine when said device gets the update. Truth be told, I think if they hadn't got so many people asking for a Nexus device, they wouldn't have gone with it. Case in point, the Nexus One. They were supposed to get it, but instead they opted for the Incredible, which was basically a Nexus One with a different case and Sense on board. Going with the Nexus would have meant giving control of the phone away and they're not fans of that. I've held the idea that the reason Verizon is treating the Galaxy Nexus the way they are is that so next go around, people will opt for something else. It's no different than when an OEM offers to unlock their devices, the Verizon variants are always missing.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 16:46 3

13. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 245; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)


What I don't get is, how come the carries allow Apple to release the updates whenever they want with no restriction but when it comes to Android devices it's hindered so badly. Google has been shown that they can update the Nexus phones without being hindered before, like the Nexus One. Aren't they the ones who are supposed to update these the Nexus devices? There's no point in releasing it through the airwaves, Apple used to release ever iOS update through iTunes, why can't Google just release it over the internet so it can be updated at the users leisure.

Verizon saying they want to make sure that the update works is a total lie, they just don't give a damn. When iOS 5 came out there was no delay for Verizon customers it came out on the day it was scheduled for. The carriers won't hinder Apple but they'll hinder an Android device that's supposed to be a pure Google experience and is supposed to be taken care of Google themselves?

As much as I love Google and Android, I hate how passive they are when it comes to Android.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 16:55 2

14. Walter.D.DROID (Posts: 25; Member since: 01 Apr 2012)


Unfortunately for me, i got a GSM GALAXY NEXUS after the google I/O event to get a taste of jellybean but being in Portu"s**tTY"gal for that matter sucks, because an official update hasn't come yet :S

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 18:59

23. wendygarett (unregistered)


You can actually force it to update tho...

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 15:42

71. Walter.D.DROID (Posts: 25; Member since: 01 Apr 2012)


HOW?? without rooting of course (for now atleast)

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:15 1

37. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)


lol Wendy is right. Why dont you download the ROM from one of the gajillion websites that have it like everyone else does? Just cuz the OTA update is not available in your country doesnt mean you cant manually install it.

You are one of the lucky few that can download the oficial update that works perfectly with your device. Everyone else has to get the bootleg version like Cyanogenmod

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 16:58 1

15. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


idc, i'm flashing AOKP on my mom's Nexus when it gets here.
i've gotten rooted phones and phones i've gotten from third parties replaced with my manufacturers warranty so i'm not worried about that.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 18:37 3

20. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)


You are awesome...

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:33

58. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


why yes, i am, thank you for confirming so. ;D

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 17:02

16. kingpet13 (Posts: 139; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)


I am just glad I got myself to root. I have the cdma gn running aokp4.1.1 with a Cm10 theme, and I don't think it gets much better. I figured out how to root in about ten minutes. All it is is running a program on your computer. If you are willing to void your warranty, there is no reason not to root.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 18:16

18. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 245; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)


But the thing is, we shouldn't HAVE to root to get the software updates. That's the point people are trying to make that seems to sail over a lot of root users heads. The updates should come out in a timely fashion, not after everyone else.

And if people who develop custom ROMs can get it right in a few days, then carriers need to get their act together. I rooted in the past, I know it's not hard, but I don't think I should have to rely on custom ROM makers to give me an update when it should be my carrier, the people I pay for service, that should be giving me the update.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 21:54

45. kingpet13 (Posts: 139; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)


I understand your point, and I agree that the oem/carrier should be able to update sooner. But I still think if they refuse then the user should be able to add manual updates. The only reason people are unwilling to root is because they think they are going to break their device, which I find unlikely. If they won't give you what you want, you might as well take it anyway instead of complaining that they won't give it to you. I mean by the time I finished this post I could probably be done rooting my phone again. I just want to tell everyone that rooting and flashing roms. Is actually really simple.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 21:54

46. kingpet13 (Posts: 139; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)


I understand your point, and I agree that the oem/carrier should be able to update sooner. But I still think if they refuse then the user should be able to add manual updates. The only reason people are unwilling to root is because they think they are going to break their device, which I find unlikely. If they won't give you what you want, you might as well take it anyway instead of complaining that they won't give it to you. I mean by the time I finished this post I could probably be done rooting my phone again. I just want to tell everyone that rooting and flashing roms. Is actually really simple.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:08 1

25. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4069; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


And this is why, if I do get the next Nexus, I'm buying it unlocked from Google and not waiting for a carrier branded version...

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:26 2

29. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)


EXACTLY why I never bought a GS3.
Ill be right behind you in that virtual line at the Play Store

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:44

32. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


unlocked is the way to go with nexus. get it unlocked, and get a cheap plan on Tmobile. You save tons of money and never wait for updates.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:55

33. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4069; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


I'm switching to that truly unlimited plan as soon as possible, because thankfully T-Mo has finally gotten HSPA+ down by my area, which is surprising. Getting around 10-15 Mbps down in my little country town is great; though it isn't nearly as good as my wifi, it's still nice.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:08

35. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)


yep Sept 5th they go truly unlimited. If I didnt work for Sprint I'd got with the cheaper T-Mobile, especially since their data speeds will be faster for the next 2 years, since Sprint cant seem to deploy LTE anytime soon.

I had my Nexus One on T-Mobile.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:30

57. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5620; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


yeah, i'm making my friend buy a Nexus on T-Mobile unlocked since he's very much like me and likes to tinker and he'll get to save his upgrade.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:37

31. longhairbilly (Posts: 61; Member since: 23 Aug 2010)


Screw the carriers. Unlock, root, then flash Jellybro. You will be glad you did.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:35

39. pissedandrioduser (Posts: 2; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)


Ive have been trying to find out how to e-mail these dudes over at android,cause this don't make no sense.if the gslll gets 4.1 b4 my sprint g.nexus I'm done with nexus phones.they advertise early updates and here we are sitting waiting a month later.smfh

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 22:16

47. HäckeMáte (Posts: 168; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)


The GS3 just got 4.0.4 just recently, theres no way it will have 4.1 anytime soon.

BTW the Sprint and Verizon Nexus models are not developer versions. Meaning Google cant update them without the Carriers permission. However you can be sure that even those Nexus Models will get JB before the other manufacturers

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 11:36

66. remixfa (Posts: 13930; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its scheduled to get it in the next week or so, i do believe.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 12:40

68. HäckeMáte (Posts: 168; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)


yes, the international version is supposed to receive the update THIS week actually, but seeing how it uses an Exynos cpu and its GSM only, that update will not be compatible with US models.

(not to mention carriers need to test and approve before they themselves push the OTA)

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