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Dear PA commenters: let's talk about bias

0. phoneArena 27 Nov 2012, 19:59 posted on

We here at PhoneArena can have something of a thankless job, but it is a job that we love, and one that we attempt to do as well as we can. We try our best to present you all with news, reviews, and analysis in an honest, thought-provoking, and (if possible) entertaining way. But, it seems about time we directly address our comment community, because many of you seem to have a skewed idea of the word "bias"...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 28 Nov 2012, 01:55 1

133. quakan (Posts: 1381; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)


True. I usually don't see too many stories on here that have been presented first before Engadget, BGR, etc., but what initially brought me here is that this site was and still is the best hub for phone news, reviews, and all other things related to phones and tablets. When I first started visiting this site, I used it to help me decide what my next phone would be (this was back in the feature phone days when LG was the reigning king at Verizon) because I loved the in depth reviews and comparisons that I could find on this site that no other site did at the time (to my knowledge) in a pleasant, easy-on-the-eyes presentation. I loved how well-written the articles were and how engaging the writers were to us readers/commenters and this what has kept me here all this time. I also love that PhoneArena has a much better control on its trolls than it used to in the past (sometimes they were funny, but most of the time they were irritating and filled up the comment sections with nonsense and made it impossible to find a real comment worth reading).

posted on 28 Nov 2012, 10:50

181. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


News at-a-glance (no need to scroll multiple pages), small community, and good articles that tend to be same-day as major sites (sometimes before). If you see something on another site that you think PA should repost, do what I do, fill out a tip at the top of the page.

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 20:11 6

6. syedzain (Posts: 175; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


U guys are doing great .. carry on for what u are doing.. U arent biased.. u are the BEST in reviews.

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 20:11 2

7. wendygarett (unregistered)


Another nice articles you have Michael :)

There are no bias articles so far... It just a bias fanboyism, who never stand at the middle side just like me :)

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 20:45 6

50. wendygarett (unregistered)


Oh and Michael, can you refer the article "101 reasons not to get Windows phone" made by Victor...

This is actually an informative articles, but take a look at the comments... Hundreds of hatred comments made by those haters whose not even tried the Windows phone... Most of the readers here want you to pick android and android ONLY!!! They keep emphasize the word "choice" and yet they will never give us the choice for choose beyond android...

I listen to them, and I try android, and it does awesome... I want them to tried iDevice too because it's not as bad as they think... And yet they think I'm trolling...

They take one side too serious!!! It's not your fault pa...

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 21:03 5

65. nwright94 (unregistered)


This exact thing is what is pushing me toward other websites. I enjoy reading comments to see a diverse range of opinions, but on this website in particular, you can't have an opinion unless its loving android because the countless android fans (yes, they are not all like this) will insult your intelligence and tell you your opinion is wrong. It's ridiculous. I happen to enjoy iOS but if I make that fact known, I get android fans coming out of the woodworks to insult me, tell me I'm wrong, and give NO reason why they think I'm wrong other than "IPhail sucks, android is the best". The website itself is great, the comment section is getting worse and worse.

posted on 28 Nov 2012, 10:52

182. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


In fairness, not too long ago this was a haven for apple fans, now it is one for Android fans with some who like Windows Phone. The crowd changes as the popular devices change. There was a guy (allegedly from Sweden) who was a huge bada fan. To each their own.
As for the "101 Reasons" article, that was a repost from another site, and even that site's commentariat railed on it for gross inaccuracies and trivialities

posted on 28 Nov 2012, 10:12

177. cripton805 (Posts: 1458; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)


One of the dumbest posts I have ever read.

You assume we haven't used different devices? Have you?

At this moment in time, Android devices are superior. If you like something else better, thats ok!

But to say an iPhone is better because it uses aluminum over a good plastic is stupid.

The way most websites review phones is stupid. There are more important features that should be worth more points than user preference.

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 20:12 12

8. tedkord (Posts: 12314; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


What a biased article. ;)

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 20:16 1

9. Lboogey6 (Posts: 281; Member since: 31 Jan 2012)


yeah its great to see that you finally were fed up and decided to go at it head on people that just thumbs down or say a negative comment without having a spine to explain or see both ways realizing the world doesn't revolve around the cell phone world

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 20:16

10. darktranquillity (Posts: 284; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)


Nice article pa

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 20:17

12. beasteator (Posts: 7; Member since: 25 Oct 2012)


I think there are way too many aruments on here after every article (that's an opinion). I love PA and they are the best site for all the latest news (also an opinion). Thank You Phone Arena! :D

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 20:22 10

16. ajac09 (Posts: 1481; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


You guys are considered Biased because

1. You will gladly put 5 apple articles up same subject same-thing 5 different ways
2. you promote apple like its god among everything
3. you think the iphone is innovative when its doing what every other phone before it has done.
4.you think Steve Jobs is a god when he was a physiological bitch

things phonearena needs to do to fix this:

1. hire someone that loves technology no matter the situation not just a fair weather fan. You guys treat cell phones like a woman that doesn't know about football.

2. show that you actually enjoy other devices.

do this basic stuff and you will loose the iphonearena label till then just change your name to Iphonearena and enjoy all your IOS fans,

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 20:30 11

22. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


1. We may put up similar articles, but at the end of the day, we are a business, and those articles generate a lot of hits.

2-4) Please give examples, because I certainly don't remember reading any theism towards Apple or Jobs.

I'd say we tend to respect Apple, because it has been a successful company, but that hasn't stopped us from being critical when necessary.

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 20:50 6

55. fragmentedboy (Posts: 3; Member since: 27 Nov 2012)


1. We (android user) click on the iphone news because we knew that it would be biased, and we want to normalize it.

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 20:54 11

60. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Aha, but isn't expecting bias going to make you specifically look for things to prove that, and possibly ignore anything that shows fairness?

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 21:07 4

70. ojdidit84 (Posts: 458; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)


I'll admit that for the most part, articles on PA are pretty objective. The only articles that I hardly bother to read or just pass up are articles written by Ray S. who definitely has a slant toward anything Apple in the majority of articles that he writes even if the topic has nothing to do with Apple. It's one thing to be objective and critical. It's another to be blatantly biased and uneducated about the products that you write about and clearly spend all of your time with one device and barely any with another. It definitely shows.

Other than that, I pretty much enjoy reading the articles here.

The comments are the icing on the cake especially when they get into the whole isheep, fandroid and other fanboy grade-school name-calling. That's when my eyes glaze over.

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 21:58

95. MartyK (Posts: 847; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


You are forgetting Alan F.; he's the most Ifan since mac9to5; heck he's worst then that fraud Florian Mueller.

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 21:54

92. MartyK (Posts: 847; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


Michael,
I have to agree with ajac09, post a link to any article ( 2 or 3 would be nice) that bash the Iphone like PA has done to many other os.( Please leave out the imap problem)

Every time you guys compare the iphone vs anyone, you guys always give the iphone a win.

There was a time you guys criticize /claiming 4+ screen size was too big. now since the Iphone has reach that size it's okay

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 22:17 7

102. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I just looked at the last 4 articles that had an Apple product vs something else, and Apple was only the clear winner once, and that was because it was up against Windows Phone. In each of the others, it was made clear that if you are looking for X, go with Apple, if you're looking for Y, go with the other one.

Off the top of my head, I remember being vocally disappointed in the iPhone 4S, the myriad Siri outages, antennagate, and the overall stagnation of iOS UI design. I don't have time to grab the links this minute, but I'll get back to you.

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 22:26 5

107. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


"Every time you guys compare the iphone vs anyone, you guys always give the iphone a win."

Yet the GS III was scored a 9.3 to the iP5's 9.0. Maybe PA was being biased toward the GS III?

But I thought PA was just accused of being iPA? (Confused, dunno.)

posted on 28 Nov 2012, 08:45 1

164. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Like I've said, if you go looking for Apple bias, you'll probably find it, but you may have to ignore quite a bit on the way.

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 20:34 1

33. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)


"things phonearena needs to do to fix this:

1. hire someone that loves technology no matter the situation not just a fair weather fan. You guys treat cell phones like a woman that doesn't know about football."'

while some of the things you said may be true............you dont need to get rid of anyone here......because whether you like it or not, they are here for a reason! and instead of "giving up" on someone .........look for the best in them and hope they change.......if not, then leave it up to God to work on that person.......but disposing of someone should be THE LAST OPTION, never the first!

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 21:05 5

68. nwright94 (unregistered)


So what you're saying pretty much is lose any apple and windows phone article and make it android only. You know, androidcentral.com is a great website if you don't like seeing other platforms mentioned.

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 21:11

72. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)


were you responding to me or another post bro?

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 21:17 2

78. nwright94 (unregistered)


Nope, original poster. Nothing meant toward you :)

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 22:06

100. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)


.... :)

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 21:13 2

73. techguy22 (Posts: 227; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)


you do know they paid everytime you click on an article, more clicking=more money.people love apple crap, they have to post as many they can so they can get few bucks. engadget the verge and others do it too. thats how tech blogs survive. on ads, traffic.

posted on 28 Nov 2012, 00:03 1

122. JBurd3 (Posts: 11; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


You make some good points. And I mean at the day, there are A LOT of ppl that feel like PA is biased towards everything apple. Whether they get offended or not, they should at least take into consideration of exactly why a lot of people feel like that. There is a reason. Most (not all) of the people that DONT feel like PA is biased are iphone fans so of course they dont see it. Me personally, I'm a fan of both major OS because they both exploit the other system's weakness. Im on iOS now but I'm looking to move back to andriod but its just because thats my preference. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion. Just someone doesnt share your views or opinions doesnt makes theirs wrong.

As far as all the comments/flame wars. Most of the time they are entertaining and funny. But yes, at times it is annoying. However, they are just that! COMMENTS! If your going to go and get all bent out of shape over someones comments or let it ruin your day, then your definitely a sad being and you need Dr Phil. If you dont like the comments or flame wars and so on then simply DONT READ THE COMMENTS. All the information you wanted to know about when you clicked on the link is contained in the article anyway. Simple fix

With that being said, I cant lie, I do have a hard time visiting this site without seeing some article about some random apple statistic that came from God knows where or something revolving Steve Jobs (RIP) as if he's still making business decisions. And PA wonders where it all sparks from...

just my two cents tho

posted on 27 Nov 2012, 20:22 5

17. someones4 (Posts: 625; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)


somehow i knew Michael is the author of this article

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