CyanogenMod crew split if they should bother developing custom ROMs for the Samsung Galaxy S 4
0. phoneArena posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:19
Given that one of the many attractions of buying a Samsung flagship has so far been developer and custom ROM support that squeeze every last mile out of the hardware, and iron out the software kinks faster than Samsung has ever done, this is not good news for future S 4 owners that like to tweak...
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8. _Bone_ posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:35 9 16
Did you read the article? They just announced that they are NOT shutting the S4 out.
15. Ohrules posted on 20 Mar 2013, 05:25 7 7
yet hesitation to support a top dog? seems unprecedented
16. _Bone_ posted on 20 Mar 2013, 06:03 10 6
So you didn't read the article.
"Let’s start with the simplest form of this: CyanogenMod does not pre-announce support or lack of support for devices. EVER"
Hello? Do you understand that sentence?
19. jopancy posted on 20 Mar 2013, 06:17 6 1
Seems like you read the first few sentences then jumped to make your comment.
Go back and read the article again ok? And stop making a ass of yourself.
39. zhiae posted on 20 Mar 2013, 15:49 1 1
i really dont like cm built s the only rom i used for gs3 was ultima i liked it
17. atsamman posted on 20 Mar 2013, 06:10 7 2
Not necessarily a dark day
I personally dont prefer the CM roms
I Think samsung roms has much more usefull features that I dont like to give up by using CM such as pop-up play and mini apps
My only concern would if it's gonna get root or not
27. SleepingOz posted on 20 Mar 2013, 09:25 2 1
Yeah, that's the main reason why many senior members on XDA are sticking to the official firmwares. Even I, who was a big fan of CM an AOSP, is using a custom rom based on the official firmware from Samsung. The latter have been doing a marvellous job with their softwares lately.
34. McLTE posted on 20 Mar 2013, 11:33 2 0
I have not run CM for a long time in any of my phones. Don't care for the ROMs. Having said that.. I know they are the workhorse behind mose of the non-TW based ROMs.
I rooted/unlocked my Note2 and after playing with a few ASOP ROMS, I went to Touch Wiz based ROMS and don't plan on going back. There are too many great features that Sammy cooked into TW that I don't want to throw away - Spen support being a big one.
Wow.. I can't believe I just said I don't want to run stock(ish) Android.. I have ALWAYS been a big supporter of stock.
Sammy is doing a good job with SW!!
35. asingha94 posted on 20 Mar 2013, 11:36 3 4
Samsuck loosers haha!!its nt only king its a hype king!
2. wendygarett posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:27 13 7
I don't understand the hype of exynos, it has 4g lte built-in, yet only Korean carrier support it, the rest support Qualcomm...
not to mention, exynos exploited twice, people start to question the ability of exynos...
5. _Bone_ posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:29 5 6
How about now?
10. tiara6918 posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:47 0 2
I'm sorry if my comment is a bit unrelated but I don't understand how octa core works(why did samsung highlight green the other four cores?)-http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151531492826488&set=a.10151462574381488.535947.314882591487&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf
12. tiara6918 posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:55 0 1
or scroll down up to the date march 16 if this link doesn't work-https://www.facebook.com/SamsungTomorrow
13. thelegend6657 posted on 20 Mar 2013, 05:08 3 3
Exxynos sucks !
My to omap version of the GS2 although slower in benchmarks is actually smoother !
30. SleepingOz posted on 20 Mar 2013, 09:40 1 1
I'd really like to see that with my own eyes!
My brother who studies had the i9100g and I had the original i9100. I remember he was always complaining about how sluggish his phone was compared to mine.
33. thelegend6657 posted on 20 Mar 2013, 11:25 2 2
On cyanogenmod 10 !
No exynos code available so the G is smoother
28. KingKurogiii posted on 20 Mar 2013, 09:32 3 0
the way Samsung's Exynos 5 Octa works is you have 4 low powered Cortex A7 Cores to do menial tasks like scrolling through home pages and whatnot and then you have the high powered big boys in the form of quad Cortex A15 Cores which take over for more intensive tasks. they'll never all run at once and the point of this is mainly to save battery power.
31. SleepingOz posted on 20 Mar 2013, 09:48 1 1
Correct, this is how the big.LITTLE works but(yeah there's a but) all 8 cores can be used simultaneously by the system. It's called the big.LITTLE MP. So basically, the Exynos 5 Octa is really an octo-core processor.
Heterogeneous Multi-Processing (HMP)
This is the other actual implemented function mode of a big.LITTLE CPU. In this case, all 8 cores can be used simultaneously by the system.
This is a vastly more complex working mechanism, and its implementation is also an order of magnitude more sophisticated. It requires the kernel scheduler to actually be aware of the differentiation of between the A7 and A15 cores. Currently, the Linux kernel is not capable of doing this and treats all CPUs as equals. This is a problem since we do not want to use the A15 cores when a task can simply me processed on an A7 core with a much lower power cost.
The Linaro working-group already finished the first implementation of the HMP design as a series of patches to be applied against the Linux 3.8 kernel. What they did is to make the scheduler smart enough to be able to track the load of single process entities, and with that information to schedule the threads smartly on either the A7 cores or the A15 cores. This achieves much lower latency in terms of switching workloads, or better said, switching the environments (CPUs) to the respective work-loads, and exposes the full processing capabilities of the silicon as all cores can be used at once.
3. _Bone_ posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:27 2 0
And there you have it. The community won't abandon the most popular phone of the year, however I see problems cause of the insane number of new technologies introduced. Can you imagine the side IR sensor, front IR sensor (for gesture recognition), thermometer, barometer, hygrometer, Floating Touch and all the stuff packed into having to get to work with every release?
36. McLTE posted on 20 Mar 2013, 11:36 1 0
All the better reason to stick with Touch Wiz based ROMs.
Why not? It's a GOOD overlay. Having been someone who has ALWAYS gone after stock Android, I'm surprised to find myself very much enjoying TW. There are a few dumb things, but over all it's great.
I want an IR blaster! :P
4. ianbbaa posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:28 4 1
I used CM and big big thanks to them to make some of my older devices to run super smooth....
Feauture wyse S4 amazed me, and i believe they would not be able to bring up all of those features to run (if it is SAMSUNGs fault for not releasing sources of EXYNOS or what ever...)
It is good they decided not to go, a lot of new hardware in S4, lot of bugs and work for them...I believe with the hardware specs of S4, there will be no need for CM anymore, just root, remove some small amount bloatware and keep the phone full functional with original S4 firmware - i do not want S4 that can not do MHL, WiFi direct, NFC...as some of the CM roms were not able to do.
6. jove39 posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:29 1 0
Samsung should listen to devs and release latest/bug-free kernel sources for galaxy devices.
7. SGSatlantis posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:30 3 0
I guess Samsung will send them free phones and they will support at least the Qualcomm version. And the first post wasn't a official statement in the first place.
11. pwnarena posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:55 0 1
or pay/sponsor them the way many "review websites" are getting paid/sponsored.
14. darac posted on 20 Mar 2013, 05:15 3 6
This is not a loss at all.
Cyanogen is popular, but mostly because of the legacy of being the first third party ROM.
Now it's far from the best out there.
For Samsung, there's always the Omega ROM ;)
22. darac posted on 20 Mar 2013, 06:31 3 4
I dare those who thumbed me down to support their case.
Or are you just haters?
CM is having stability and feature support issues.
Omega simply trumps it!
32. SleepingOz posted on 20 Mar 2013, 09:59 1 1
Yeah but Omega is based on Samsung firmwares while CM is based on AOSP. Many people prefer the AOSP for the holo interface even if it lacks tons of feature available only on Samsung firmwares.
I do care about the holo interface myself, that's the main reason I'm using Remix Resurrection Pitch Black but Westcrip has abandoned this Rom.
I'm considering Omega with Simplistic Framework.
20. amansingal14 posted on 20 Mar 2013, 06:26 3 3
and i am out of the line for this now... Already I was disappointed, but now I am much more than before.
No CM? Sorry Sammy you lost a customer
21. predator93 posted on 20 Mar 2013, 06:29 4 1
This might be the reason why google went with TI-OMAP in Galaxy Nexus instead of Exynos, despite the fact that exynos 4210 was the most powerful chip at that time. Samsung can easily solve this issue if they really want to.
23. stychill posted on 20 Mar 2013, 07:07 2 1
Thats potentially sad for people who wanted the hardware with the absence of touchwiz swapped for cyanogenmod
24. shahulvm posted on 20 Mar 2013, 08:25 3 6
Pathetic with CrapSUNG promising to release source for BLOBS and then keep promising...HTC another screw with their S-ON....
Only option for now is SONY, who have received OEM of the year from XDA...!!! Way to go SONY...
25. procopiojose posted on 20 Mar 2013, 08:56 1 1
it is not a good idea to install custom roms on a galaxy phone nowadays.. their firmware is the best out there with the window mode, popup play, smart stay, etc.. i'm not a fan of custom roms.. not to mention that your warranty will be voided if you install custom roms.. this cannot stop people from buying s4..
29. MartyK posted on 20 Mar 2013, 09:36 1 2
Samsung just open the door for others to take their title as Android #1 manufacture...
This is great news for Motorola, HTC, Sony and LG.
37. MobileNico posted on 20 Mar 2013, 12:39 0 0
Although nothing is confirmed nor denied, it is understandable that some would be reluctant to work with the S4 with regards to AOSP-based ROMs. Though i personally prefer the look and feel of AOSP, TW as of late has been a decent UI (though i still cannot stand the launcher) and has added quite a few worthwhile enhancements over AOSP, mostly related to the S Pen. The loss of proprietary features was a dealbreaker for many of my former crack-flasher buddies who purchased Note IIs (most S III users i know still flash CM/AOKP). I can't say I would decide any differently.
38. MobileNico posted on 20 Mar 2013, 12:42 0 1
Also, with the exception of S Pen and to a lesser extent Multi-Window, many S "features" are pretty gimmicy and aren't really that amazing.
40. DigitalMD posted on 20 Mar 2013, 23:54 0 0
As the phones get better hardware and more stable software from the manufactures, there is less and less need for modded ROMs. THere is little that Cyanogen or anyone else can do these days to make the phone perform better and usually there is a loss of some hardware features, so I really don;t care. I will still buy an S4 and it will still be the best phone out there.
41. R.dalangin posted on 22 Mar 2013, 06:05 1 0
You can't really blame them. The Exynos processors are the ones having the issue. Samsung isn't giving the developers much to work with. I had the same problem with my s III. It's been a long time and until now there's no stable CM 10.1 version for the s3. And since most custom roms are based from CM roms, then the bugs here will be present in all other roms. So no CM support could really be a factor to consider when buying the S 4, specially if you're into modding.
Modding is important because not everybody likes the Touchwiz UI. I personally like the Camera App of Samsung and the Paper Artist, but if I could get those features into a Vanilla Android build (pure Android build) then I would be really happy. Also, the stock Android seems to run smoother than Android with Touchwiz overlay. Just some things I've noticed :)