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CyanogenMod crew split if they should bother developing custom ROMs for the Samsung Galaxy S 4

0. phoneArena 20 Mar 2013, 04:19 posted on

Given that one of the many attractions of buying a Samsung flagship has so far been developer and custom ROM support that squeeze every last mile out of the hardware, and iron out the software kinks faster than Samsung has ever done, this is not good news for future S 4 owners that like to tweak...

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posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:25 17

1. Ohrules (Posts: 327; Member since: 11 Jun 2012)

a dark day for the king of the galaxy

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:35 9

8. _Bone_ (Posts: 2154; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)

Did you read the article? They just announced that they are NOT shutting the S4 out.

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 05:25 7

15. Ohrules (Posts: 327; Member since: 11 Jun 2012)

yet hesitation to support a top dog? seems unprecedented

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 06:03 10

16. _Bone_ (Posts: 2154; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)

So you didn't read the article.

"Let’s start with the simplest form of this: CyanogenMod does not pre-announce support or lack of support for devices. EVER"

Hello? Do you understand that sentence?

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 06:17 6

19. jopancy (Posts: 74; Member since: 25 Apr 2012)

Seems like you read the first few sentences then jumped to make your comment.
Go back and read the article again ok? And stop making a ass of yourself.

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 15:49 1

39. zhiae (unregistered)

i really dont like cm built s the only rom i used for gs3 was ultima i liked it

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 06:10 7

17. atsamman (Posts: 74; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)

Not necessarily a dark day
I personally dont prefer the CM roms
I Think samsung roms has much more usefull features that I dont like to give up by using CM such as pop-up play and mini apps

My only concern would if it's gonna get root or not

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 09:25 2

27. SleepingOz (unregistered)

Yeah, that's the main reason why many senior members on XDA are sticking to the official firmwares. Even I, who was a big fan of CM an AOSP, is using a custom rom based on the official firmware from Samsung. The latter have been doing a marvellous job with their softwares lately.

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 11:33 2

34. McLTE (Posts: 824; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

I agree.

I have not run CM for a long time in any of my phones. Don't care for the ROMs. Having said that.. I know they are the workhorse behind mose of the non-TW based ROMs.

I rooted/unlocked my Note2 and after playing with a few ASOP ROMS, I went to Touch Wiz based ROMS and don't plan on going back. There are too many great features that Sammy cooked into TW that I don't want to throw away - Spen support being a big one.

Wow.. I can't believe I just said I don't want to run stock(ish) Android.. I have ALWAYS been a big supporter of stock.

Sammy is doing a good job with SW!!

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 11:36 3

35. asingha94 (Posts: 295; Member since: 08 Apr 2012)

Samsuck loosers haha!!its nt only king its a hype king!

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:27 13

2. wendygarett (unregistered)

I don't understand the hype of exynos, it has 4g lte built-in, yet only Korean carrier support it, the rest support Qualcomm...

not to mention, exynos exploited twice, people start to question the ability of exynos...

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:29 5

5. _Bone_ (Posts: 2154; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


How about now?

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:47

10. tiara6918 (Posts: 2036; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)

I'm sorry if my comment is a bit unrelated but I don't understand how octa core works(why did samsung highlight green the other four cores?)-http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=101​51531492826488&set=a.10151462574381488.535947.3148​82591487&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:55

12. tiara6918 (Posts: 2036; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)

or scroll down up to the date march 16 if this link doesn't work-https://www.facebook.com/SamsungTomorrow

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 05:08 3

13. thelegend6657 (unregistered)

Exxynos sucks !
My to omap version of the GS2 although slower in benchmarks is actually smoother !

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 09:40 1

30. SleepingOz (unregistered)

I'd really like to see that with my own eyes!
My brother who studies had the i9100g and I had the original i9100. I remember he was always complaining about how sluggish his phone was compared to mine.

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 11:25 2

33. thelegend6657 (unregistered)

On cyanogenmod 10 !
No exynos code available so the G is smoother

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 09:32 3

28. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5711; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)

the way Samsung's Exynos 5 Octa works is you have 4 low powered Cortex A7 Cores to do menial tasks like scrolling through home pages and whatnot and then you have the high powered big boys in the form of quad Cortex A15 Cores which take over for more intensive tasks. they'll never all run at once and the point of this is mainly to save battery power.

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 09:48 1

31. SleepingOz (unregistered)

Correct, this is how the big.LITTLE works but(yeah there's a but) all 8 cores can be used simultaneously by the system. It's called the big.LITTLE MP. So basically, the Exynos 5 Octa is really an octo-core processor.

Heterogeneous Multi-Processing (HMP)

This is the other actual implemented function mode of a big.LITTLE CPU. In this case, all 8 cores can be used simultaneously by the system.

This is a vastly more complex working mechanism, and its implementation is also an order of magnitude more sophisticated. It requires the kernel scheduler to actually be aware of the differentiation of between the A7 and A15 cores. Currently, the Linux kernel is not capable of doing this and treats all CPUs as equals. This is a problem since we do not want to use the A15 cores when a task can simply me processed on an A7 core with a much lower power cost.

The Linaro working-group already finished the first implementation of the HMP design as a series of patches to be applied against the Linux 3.8 kernel. What they did is to make the scheduler smart enough to be able to track the load of single process entities, and with that information to schedule the threads smartly on either the A7 cores or the A15 cores. This achieves much lower latency in terms of switching workloads, or better said, switching the environments (CPUs) to the respective work-loads, and exposes the full processing capabilities of the silicon as all cores can be used at once.


posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:27 2

3. _Bone_ (Posts: 2154; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)

And there you have it. The community won't abandon the most popular phone of the year, however I see problems cause of the insane number of new technologies introduced. Can you imagine the side IR sensor, front IR sensor (for gesture recognition), thermometer, barometer, hygrometer, Floating Touch and all the stuff packed into having to get to work with every release?

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 11:36 1

36. McLTE (Posts: 824; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

All the better reason to stick with Touch Wiz based ROMs.

Why not? It's a GOOD overlay. Having been someone who has ALWAYS gone after stock Android, I'm surprised to find myself very much enjoying TW. There are a few dumb things, but over all it's great.

I want an IR blaster! :P

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:28 4

4. ianbbaa (Posts: 305; Member since: 20 Mar 2013)

I used CM and big big thanks to them to make some of my older devices to run super smooth....
Feauture wyse S4 amazed me, and i believe they would not be able to bring up all of those features to run (if it is SAMSUNGs fault for not releasing sources of EXYNOS or what ever...)

It is good they decided not to go, a lot of new hardware in S4, lot of bugs and work for them...I believe with the hardware specs of S4, there will be no need for CM anymore, just root, remove some small amount bloatware and keep the phone full functional with original S4 firmware - i do not want S4 that can not do MHL, WiFi direct, NFC...as some of the CM roms were not able to do.

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 06:13

18. atsamman (Posts: 74; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)

Exactly my thought

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:29 1

6. jove39 (Posts: 1859; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

Samsung should listen to devs and release latest/bug-free kernel sources for galaxy devices.

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:30 3

7. SGSatlantis (Posts: 226; Member since: 20 Jul 2011)

I guess Samsung will send them free phones and they will support at least the Qualcomm version. And the first post wasn't a official statement in the first place.

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:39 1

9. joesseth (Posts: 61; Member since: 18 Dec 2012)

Buy beer for the developers. Enough said.

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 04:55

11. pwnarena (Posts: 1129; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)

or pay/sponsor them the way many "review websites" are getting paid/sponsored.

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 05:15 3

14. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

This is not a loss at all.
Cyanogen is popular, but mostly because of the legacy of being the first third party ROM.
Now it's far from the best out there.

For Samsung, there's always the Omega ROM ;)

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 06:31 3

22. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)

I dare those who thumbed me down to support their case.

Or are you just haters?
CM is having stability and feature support issues.
Omega simply trumps it!

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 09:59 1

32. SleepingOz (unregistered)

Yeah but Omega is based on Samsung firmwares while CM is based on AOSP. Many people prefer the AOSP for the holo interface even if it lacks tons of feature available only on Samsung firmwares.

I do care about the holo interface myself, that's the main reason I'm using Remix Resurrection Pitch Black but Westcrip has abandoned this Rom.
I'm considering Omega with Simplistic Framework.

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 06:26 3

20. amansingal14 (Posts: 309; Member since: 08 Sep 2012)

and i am out of the line for this now... Already I was disappointed, but now I am much more than before.
No CM? Sorry Sammy you lost a customer

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 06:29 4

21. predator93 (Posts: 122; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)

This might be the reason why google went with TI-OMAP in Galaxy Nexus instead of Exynos, despite the fact that exynos 4210 was the most powerful chip at that time. Samsung can easily solve this issue if they really want to.

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 07:07 2

23. stychill (unregistered)

Thats potentially sad for people who wanted the hardware with the absence of touchwiz swapped for cyanogenmod

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 08:25 3

24. shahulvm (Posts: 124; Member since: 01 Apr 2012)

Screw PLASTICSung....

Pathetic with CrapSUNG promising to release source for BLOBS and then keep promising...HTC another screw with their S-ON....

Only option for now is SONY, who have received OEM of the year from XDA...!!! Way to go SONY...

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 08:56 1

25. procopiojose (Posts: 132; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)

it is not a good idea to install custom roms on a galaxy phone nowadays.. their firmware is the best out there with the window mode, popup play, smart stay, etc.. i'm not a fan of custom roms.. not to mention that your warranty will be voided if you install custom roms.. this cannot stop people from buying s4..

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 09:22

26. arfinkhan (Posts: 25; Member since: 07 Feb 2013)

everyone use.....its deal braker

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 09:36 1

29. MartyK (Posts: 819; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)

Samsung just open the door for others to take their title as Android #1 manufacture...
This is great news for Motorola, HTC, Sony and LG.

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 12:39

37. MobileNico (Posts: 67; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)

Although nothing is confirmed nor denied, it is understandable that some would be reluctant to work with the S4 with regards to AOSP-based ROMs. Though i personally prefer the look and feel of AOSP, TW as of late has been a decent UI (though i still cannot stand the launcher) and has added quite a few worthwhile enhancements over AOSP, mostly related to the S Pen. The loss of proprietary features was a dealbreaker for many of my former crack-flasher buddies who purchased Note IIs (most S III users i know still flash CM/AOKP). I can't say I would decide any differently.

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 12:42

38. MobileNico (Posts: 67; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)

Also, with the exception of S Pen and to a lesser extent Multi-Window, many S "features" are pretty gimmicy and aren't really that amazing.

posted on 20 Mar 2013, 23:54

40. DigitalMD (Posts: 226; Member since: 17 Feb 2010)

As the phones get better hardware and more stable software from the manufactures, there is less and less need for modded ROMs. THere is little that Cyanogen or anyone else can do these days to make the phone perform better and usually there is a loss of some hardware features, so I really don;t care. I will still buy an S4 and it will still be the best phone out there.

posted on 22 Mar 2013, 06:05 1

41. R.dalangin (Posts: 3; Member since: 31 Mar 2012)

You can't really blame them. The Exynos processors are the ones having the issue. Samsung isn't giving the developers much to work with. I had the same problem with my s III. It's been a long time and until now there's no stable CM 10.1 version for the s3. And since most custom roms are based from CM roms, then the bugs here will be present in all other roms. So no CM support could really be a factor to consider when buying the S 4, specially if you're into modding.

Modding is important because not everybody likes the Touchwiz UI. I personally like the Camera App of Samsung and the Paper Artist, but if I could get those features into a Vanilla Android build (pure Android build) then I would be really happy. Also, the stock Android seems to run smoother than Android with Touchwiz overlay. Just some things I've noticed :)

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