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Current chipset industry status-quo under threat as Allwinner outs details around its new chips

0. phoneArena 24 Nov 2013, 10:51 posted on

The rather stagnant status-quo in the chipset industry as of today may be shattered to pieces sooner than the big guys would like, as relatively smaller players are gunning for the top...

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posted on 24 Nov 2013, 10:56

1. kassi (Posts: 87; Member since: 25 May 2013)


a17 or a7?

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 10:58

2. Chris.P (Posts: 305; Member since: 27 Jun 2013)


A7, typo.

o/

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 10:58

3. Shatter (Posts: 2031; Member since: 29 May 2013)


.........

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 13:07 3

12. Pancholo (Posts: 377; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


Waste of bandwidth. ^

To make my post worthy, I shall comment:

This looks to be a worse chip than MT's. I'll keep the current big boys out there; Innovation continues to come out between the competition regardless of the existence of this chip.

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 20:19 3

18. Shatter (Posts: 2031; Member since: 29 May 2013)


Good thing I have unlimited internet.

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 11:00

4. KillerKeyboard (Posts: 307; Member since: 21 Nov 2013)


ARM Mali T760 up for grabs. :-"

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 11:16 2

5. rawbow (Posts: 428; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


Would it kill them to have better names for their companies>>just my two cents

This is pretty interesting. I always figured that the S800 would be dethroned by something Chinese. Let's see where this goes because efficiency (as you very well pointed out in the article) along with brute force would be the decider.

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 13:20 8

13. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)


Efficiency should be the number one priority going forward. We already have enough power in our smartphones. But what I want is a phone that doesn't die in 2 hours when I am gaming and doesn't lose more than 1% battery after a few hours of no use.

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 21:11

19. elitewolverine (Posts: 2046; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Won't happen, you do know your cell phone is constantly checking for cell signal right? You know when you don't use your phone for a few hours this miraculous thing happens, you get a call. This can only happen because your phone is checking back with the towers to tell the tower it is still there. If it does not do this.

You will literally move out of tower range and not sync with the next tower, then you will get no network signal even though your phone shows signal because it did not update.

Hence, battery power used to keep checking back and forth.

posted on 25 Nov 2013, 01:53 2

24. WindowsiDroid (Posts: 116; Member since: 22 Jul 2013)


Use Lenovo P780 or Motorola Droid Maxx? so even you play 2-5 hours only 10-20% will be consumed.

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 11:22 1

6. taikucing (unregistered)


isn't allwinner worse than mediatek? From what I've heard, Allwinner CPU doesn't even have bluetooth and GPS. I don't know if this one has GPS & BT

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 12:40 3

9. Shatter (Posts: 2031; Member since: 29 May 2013)


Yes allwinner is worse.

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 11:46 2

7. sarge77 (Posts: 202; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


lol still trying to get my hands on a nice solid quad core power house so you probably wont need a octa unless your running a server from smartphone all this power and yet nothing for battery technology.

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 12:24

8. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5950; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


I wonder when we will hear about 16-core SoCs (Moore's law and what-not)?

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 12:50

10. KillerKeyboard (Posts: 307; Member since: 21 Nov 2013)


Xiaomi is already on it. ^^
M3V1 chip - I believe 5.0GHz, 32M cache, 14nm archi
I forgot about the GPU support, though.
Impractical, yes, for today's standards, but it's there.

posted on 25 Nov 2013, 00:39 1

22. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5950; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Ironically, I recently decided to take a pass on buying specs. My latest smartphone is the Droid Maxx. I still use a smartphone to make and receive calls, and testing the Maxx out at the VZW store, it had the best call clarity between the GS 4, G2, and the Note 3.

Of course, I could change my mind if a new toy comes along that I just have to have. But for now, it is the Maxx.

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 12:53 2

11. guest (Posts: 110; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)


*Yawn*

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 13:54

14. rd_nest (Posts: 822; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


"HPM (Heterogeneous Process Migration), which in plain English means that it'll be able to run a chosen cluster only, or run all eight cores at once whenever needed..."

Really? Is that the best definition you found for HMP. Did you even read anything on HMP? When someone claims that the definition of HMP is running a single cluster or running all 8 cores, I doubt the credibility of such editors. Have you even read the presentations from Linaro or ARM? Do you know that it's called GTS now? Really, such level of 'technical' reporting is shameful.

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 16:08 5

16. Chris.P (Posts: 305; Member since: 27 Jun 2013)


This kind of 'technical reporting' is actually in tune with our audience which is far reaching, e.g. content could be quite technical, though the aim is to break it down in order to get the essence across to as many people as possible.

And It's not a definition, it's an explanation. If you consider the first part of the sentence, it's actually correct (even if not sophisticated enough for your taste), at least to my knowledge.

Feel free to correct me?

posted on 25 Nov 2013, 06:01

25. rd_nest (Posts: 822; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


There are 3 models of for big.LITTLE. Some people will call it 2 models based on whether it's using IKS or GTS. IKS can be said to be an extension of DVFS. In either case, cluster migration and core migration are fundamentally similar technique, whereas GTS is totally different.

What you say "it'll be able to run a chosen cluster only" is not HMP. This is cluster-migration technique.

Source:http://www.arm.com/files/pdf/Advances_in_big.LITTLE_Technology_for_Power_and_Energy_Savings.pdf

Page # 5. Quoted from that pdf:

"There are in fact two types of migration: CPU Migration and Cluster migration. The initial exploration of big.LITTLE used cluster migration. With this approach, the entire context was migrated from all running Cortex-A7 CPUs to the same number of Cortex-A15 CPUs, and vice versa."

Refer page # 6:

"...termed big.LITTLE MP, which is fully heterogeneous scheduling. Whether a big processor needs to be powered on is determined by performance requirements of tasks
currently executing."

posted on 25 Nov 2013, 08:21

26. troutsy (Posts: 282; Member since: 17 Feb 2012)


I like Chris' explanation better.

posted on 25 Nov 2013, 11:43

27. rd_nest (Posts: 822; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


It's not about liking something. It's what's right and what's wrong.

For last time, "it'll be able to run a chosen cluster only" is NOT HMP. This is cluster migration model. HMP has nothing to do with cluster migration.

It's not a question of 'liking' something. it's what it is - nobody is suddenly going to implement a new definition/explanation of HMP in phonearena forum. This use cases are first designed by ARM and implemented by Linaro with GTS.

Point being, the explanation in this article is wrong. And there is no 2nd opinion about it. Read the pdf I mentioned earlier, not the 'likeliness' of comments.

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 19:38 2

17. deewinc (Posts: 188; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


Chris is right. He said "...in plain english..." meaning, in layman's language.

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 23:13 1

21. a_merryman (Posts: 718; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)


If you want super technical and in-depth reporting you can always just go to anandtech. They go into a crazy amount of detail. The author clearly wants to make the concept understood to a wider audience and thus put what it basically does in plain English.

posted on 25 Nov 2013, 11:47

28. rd_nest (Posts: 822; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)


Sorry, but anandtech has nothing to do with it. Do you think anand lal shimpi and brian klug knows more about GTS compared to ARM and Linaro?? If you thought anand is the only guy who understands SOC, then I will say just 'hmm..'

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 14:27

15. jiezel91 (Posts: 66; Member since: 28 Jul 2011)


Still waiting for Rockchip to go full steam though...

posted on 24 Nov 2013, 21:12

20. elitewolverine (Posts: 2046; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


I want upgradable cpu/gpu in my devices

posted on 25 Nov 2013, 01:32 1

23. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1055; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)


Project Ara from Motorola!

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