China might block Microsoft purchase of Nokia's assets unless patent fees are reduced
0. phoneArena 27 Dec 2013, 03:18 posted on
A published report citing Taiwan's handset supply chain states that China's Ministry of Commerce is looking for antitrust violations that would take place if Microsoft is allowed to go ahead with its purchase of Nokia's Devices and Services business. The sources claim that the Chinese government might ask both Microsoft and Nokia to reduce their patent fees in return for a thumbs up on the deal...
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1. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3718; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
Yes very good and same should be applicable to other countries also if possible.
10. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
Exactly, thumbs up for china. I wish US n europe ever care about the price increase, they just care about higher margins for their companies so they can get a share of their tax
13. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
You are basically cheering up for a country wich is known for shameless copying for years after years.. You wish that thiefs can steal even more. I bet you come from China by yourself.
19. Doakie (Posts: 2073; Member since: 06 May 2009)
I guess you're new to the Internets. We've had plenty of discussions on here about the nature of design I.P. and how in Asia copying is a form of flattery and isn't frowned upon. So what they do in their own country as tradition isn't any of your business. If European or American companies don't care for the copy cat electronics industry in China don't bother trying to break into China. There's billions to be made all over the world.
20. av911 (Posts: 190; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
With your grammar, YOU sound like you're from China.
2. Sire3008 (Posts: 87; Member since: 26 Sep 2013)
Chinese manufacturers know how to steal other people's intellect and modify them as their own. This is a move by the govt to endorse robbery.... What am I saying...its frigging China.
8. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
So what? as a result we are getting cheap products... will you get any benefit when nokia will start monopolizing its patents and will start asking higher price to use the patents? will nokia pay anything to you? For sure NO. Cheap handsets will become expensive for you, me everyone... thumbs up for china.. block this sale plz or force nokia to charge 2 or 3 dollars per phone for patents...
27. Alex123 (Posts: 241; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
you said "force"? Communist like to force right?
3. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1552; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
I do not think China will stop this transaction between Microsoft and Nokia because both
companies are for it, the European Union, is for it, American government trade and commerce is going to give it their OK. the rest of the world except some people in Finland
are not against it. if this deal falls through because of the Chinese are scared Microsoft could
be in big trouble because Nokia's board of directors will force Elop to make Android smart phones as well as Windows smart phones which would sell well enough to cut into Windows smart phones sales. Not many OEM's are making Windows smart phones. 4 OEM's in fact are making Windows smart phones, except for Nokia other MS OEM's make only 2 models of Windows smart phones at most and may stop making them at all. Microsoft needs to have it's OWN smart phone and Tablet Company to stay in the Mobile devices sales Market.
4. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1635; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
Ladies and gentlemen lets hear a round of applause for china now...they stand up to the trojan horse!!
5. fireblade (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Dec 2013)
For the sake of poor people who live in 3rd world countries, please block the purchase. If the purchase happens, the price of Chinese phones will skyrocket.
14. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
Yeah all poor people at 3rd world countries, make it happen so copying and stealing is allowed more easily. This kind of action will bite your poor arse sooner or later.
Its always poors stealing from rich. Then they are the first at wall defending own property once they get something.
16. fireblade (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Dec 2013)
FYI, Chinese manufacturers don't steal Nokia's patent. They buy it with low price. If the purchase happens, MS will control the price.
22. freebee269 (Posts: 539; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
of course they'll control the price, it's their patents. what china is trying to do is ensure they can continue to get lower fee's than what anyone else in the world is spending for the same licenses. basically their trying to get over.
6. timezone (Posts: 87; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)
I thought antitrust was to stop market dominance that may erode competition and push prices up for consumers. China is going after the surviving company and telling them how to run their company. This doesn't sound right. Even though Nokia may be out of the phone business, for at least a few years, those patents were hard won. Nokia developed the technology and deserve to protect their intellectual property. It is FRAND that protects the technology in general use by the other manufactures.
9. alterecho (Posts: 1098; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
Looks like China is was the only country that read the fine print thoroughly. Rest of the governments should be ashamed.
15. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
China is the one country in the world, who is famous about copying EVERYTHING. Even goverment knows that and tries to make it happen in future as well.
26. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Three cheers for the government of our former cold war enemy? How many of you that are doing the cheering want to live in China?
I thought so... ;o)
11. timezone (Posts: 87; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)
. Your comment is ridiculous. Truth be told China's stall is not based on antitrust. They just want assurances from Nokia on how they will use their patent portfolio.
Microsoft as many people here are fast to claim has little marketshare in the smatphone market. There is nothing about this purchase that can concern any country. If there was a concern then they should have first stopped Google from Purchasing Motorola's Mobility unit. With Googles marketshare this purchase should have raised concerns long before having any concerns with Microsoft's purchase of Nokia's phone unit. Compared to the Google purchase the Nokia, Microsoft deal shouldn't and didn't raise any eyebrows.
12. timezone (Posts: 87; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)
Fireblade, so untrue. First they don't have the market power to raise prices. Second Microsoft knows the marketshare gains have been from selling low end phones in emerging markets. Microsoft will not raise prices in this price segment.
17. Altair (Posts: 367; Member since: 02 Feb 2012)
Its all about Chinese OEM:s who are used to copy others patented tech without payment. Now they are whining to goverment, because there is someone who can make them pay.
18. fireblade (Posts: 716; Member since: 27 Dec 2013)
without payment? FYI, Chinese OEMs still pay Nokia, but with low price. The only thing Chinese OEMs copy is the design and it only happens from unknown Chinese brands. Famous brands like Lenovo, Oppo, ZTE & etc., they don't do dirty works (steal patent) and they have their own designs.
21. freebee269 (Posts: 539; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
so what i take from reading this article is that china oem's are known for infringing on nokia patents. the goverment knows that also so they are trying to protect their local oem's by using this deal as leverage to get the licensing fee's reduced in a deal. to me, this sounds like a corrupt government endorsing corrupt practices. it's a shame. and they might get what they want.
23. reh1965 (Posts: 19; Member since: 06 Dec 2013)
Chinese manufacturers are able to sell cheap due to infringements and governement sponsorship. Patents will help innovation, not block it!
24. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Good on China. Something needs to be done about patents and done soon. Imagine if water and toilet paper was patented and every manufacturer had to pay a license fee to sell them.
These lame things that Nokia and Apple have patent should have an expiry date or something because they totally abuse it. This isn't about stealing, you just can't just call dibs on something you did first and keep it forever and no one else can use it just because you patented it. That is what Apple and Nokia so called ideas and innovations come from. They saw the land first, which someone else would have eventually discovered and they lay claim to the technology.
Something needs to be done about this bs and it needs to be done quick. These companies are just pricing out smaller companies that can't afford to pay everyone a license fee.
25. papss (unregistered)
You forgot to add google/moto to yohr fanboy rant... just saying.
28. timezone (Posts: 87; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)
Guaranteed every one screaming about the evils of patents would be screaming louder if one of your ideas were stolen. This is not about someone just coming up with an idea. In many cases these companies have spent millions of dollars to develop the idea. What protects companies from over paying are when a patent comes under FRAND. That was why Microsoft sued Motorola. Motorola and then Google wanted extortion fees from Microsoft. These patents were clearly under FRAND and the courts agreed with Microsoft. They still owe royalties but not what Google wanted from Microsoft.
I do agree there is an issue when companies buy patents, don't have any product to sell and only make money by extorting payments from everyone. Nokia will probably be in a grey area. They won't have a phone to sell anymore but they were the original owners of the patents spending lots of money to develop the concepts.
29. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1552; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
whether China approves the deal or not the deal will go through China. is a big Market but
Microsoft and Nokia can make good profits off of selling their products to the rest of the World whose combined numbers are bigger than Chana's population. Nokia has already taken some of the deals money China' disapproval of the deal wont kill it. Microsoft knows it needs Nokia's assets to stay a player in the mobile world and wont give up now that the deal
is set up in their favor