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Chicago court says Motorola and Google must give Apple info on its merger and on Android

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Chicago court says Motorola and Google must give Apple info on its merger and on Android
If Google and Motorola executives and attorneys could have skipped Monday, they probably would have taken a pass on the beginning of this week. On Monday, a Chicago district court judge granted Apple's request and ordered Google and Motorola to hand over information on the Google-Motorola merger to Apple. Also included in the judge's order is information related to Android development, which now goes into the hands of the platform's main rival.

Motorola had objected to Apple's demand for the papers, saying that it had no control over Google and that company's documents. Motorola also unsuccessfully argued that Google was not a party to the lawsuit. And while the Cupertino based manufacturer hasn't publicly released a list of the information it seeks, there is a chance that some of it would be reports and files that Motorola and Google would want to keep away from the prying eyes of the competition. Both Apple and Motorola sued each other in 2010, both sides claiming that its patents were infringed upon by the other.

For Google, the ruling by the judge is very disappointing because it now means that the company, soon to be the owner of Motorola Mobility, would be a relevant party on all open cases involving Motorola.

source: electronista

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posted on 06 Mar 2012, 01:33 20

1. Whateverman (Posts: 3189; Member since: 17 May 2009)


I am so ashamed of my hometowns court system right now. :(

posted on 07 Mar 2012, 12:36 3

59. bayusuputra (Posts: 941; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)


yeah, man.. i heard they told Colonel Sanders and Coca-Cola to give out their secret recipe, too..

posted on 07 Mar 2012, 13:27

62. Whateverman (Posts: 3189; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Lmao!

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 01:33 21

2. darktranquillity (Posts: 284; Member since: 28 Feb 2012)


Apples R&D wing must have run out of copied ideas. Now they need to look at Android to enhance their 'Copied Rights'. What a bunch of losers we've got here on junk apple!.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 01:35 17

3. messiah (Posts: 433; Member since: 19 Feb 2010)


Fckin apple.... that's all I gotta say

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 12:56 2

37. yt6nin (Posts: 100; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)


Apple really has to stop being a b****... They sold so many 4S's, and they are still planning on trying to eliminate the competition.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 01:39 2

4. messiah (Posts: 433; Member since: 19 Feb 2010)


Well, all google need do is hand apple shackles and a key... with a note that reads "pattent core designs for android"..... the notion was liberation.... as for the coding... it is in the developers heads....

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 01:59 7

5. The-Omega-Man (Posts: 12; Member since: 25 Jun 2011)


Google will appeal this.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 02:10 8

6. Whateverman (Posts: 3189; Member since: 17 May 2009)


I'm sure you're right. They have to, because this just doesn't make any sense at all.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 06:03 2

8. Zayuh24 (Posts: 148; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)


If you think about it, most of the legal cases Apple filed suit against everybody recently didn't make any sense. Those patents that they have are like common for all mobile technology.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 05:59 1

7. medicci37 (Posts: 616; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)


& I thought the german courts where corrupt.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 06:24 2

9. tward291 (Posts: 559; Member since: 14 Feb 2012)


this will be appealed and overturned or taken to a higher court because this makes no sense if anyone could explain this judge reasoning i would be happy to listen

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 07:02 4

10. phitch (Posts: 214; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


Seriously, what is this? Hey Google, you mind handing over all your developer code, notes, and everything else to Apple? I know, you are working on Jelly Bean, but really, just give it to them! How the f**k do you even think like this? It would be like Microsoft suing Apple to see all the code and documentation for Mac. How a judge can rule this is beyond disturbing.

This is the most anti-consumer, anti-business, anti-competition ruling I have ever seen. If I was Google, I would shut down and walk away. With rulings like this who wants to go into business anyway? If you can't keep your own tech secret because a judge can rule you have to give it to your competitors, that is just crazy.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 07:12 4

11. JBz007 (Posts: 62; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)


I really dislike Apple and their business methods. Oh and their products too... Google will appeal and this will surely be overturned.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 07:39 7

12. phitch (Posts: 214; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


Hopefully the judge disbarred as well. Obviously some money traded hands as this judgement isn't based on anything remotely logical.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 09:00 3

13. snowgator (Posts: 3200; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Spent a lot of time giving thumbs up. Horrifying judgment that compromises everything Google is trying to develop Android into. Apple can not continue to develop both hardware and software at the pace Google and their manufacturers are. Android is developing and improving too fast. The writing is on the wall, and Apple is doing all it can to slow that development. If they score huge victories in the courts, Android development slows to a crawl and Apple wins. ICS is a huge step forward, and Jelly Bean will be as well. It has taken Apple 3 times as long to improve to the most recent iOS, and it was just an incremental step. Apple, of course, is in no real trouble due to it's fan base, but Google will clean Apple's clock in new business if it can't speed up, or if Android doesn't slow down. The courts will slow things to a crawl.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 12:30

36. fost4real (Posts: 27; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)


Well said my brother. thank you very much

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 09:11 5

14. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Chicago is one of the most openly corrupt cities in america if not the world. I can hardly believe Apple won there. I can also hardly believe that's obama's "home town". Jobs and Obama used to sit down and chat about things.... ooh the coincidences.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 09:45 2

18. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)


So now President Obama has something to so with this? Is that what you're saying? If it is, you sound retarded. If you don't have anything of substance to say, then say nothing. But spewing your GOP conservative bulls**t nonsense has no place here.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 10:52 3

23. MikeG77 (Posts: 370; Member since: 24 Nov 2008)


DigitalJedi_X2 I don't think that was remixfa's point. Maybe its just me but I sensed a bit of sarcasm in his Obama remark. Now It's a widely known fact that Chicago is a VERY VERY corrupt city in regards to politics. It's also true that President Obama and Steve Jobs did speak about business matters and probably some other things.....so what!

Now in regards to your GOP comment I think you were a little off base because I don't see any indication of his political affiliation mentioned in his statement. Yes was his comment a little bit of a strecth? Yes BUT your response but just as bad if not worse.

Either way I think you were both right AND wrong.

Have a nice day.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 11:13

28. MikeG77 (Posts: 370; Member since: 24 Nov 2008)


This is an edit of my original reply.

DigitalJedi_X2 I don't think that was remixfa's point. Maybe its just me but I sensed a bit of sarcasm in his Obama remark. Now It's a widely known fact that Chicago is a VERY VERY corrupt city in regards to politics. It's also true that President Obama and Steve Jobs did speak about business matters and probably some other things.....so what!

Now in regards to your GOP comment I think you were a little off base because I don't see any indication of his political affiliation mentioned in his statement. Was his comment a little bit of a strecth? Yes BUT your response was just as bad if not worse.

Either way I think you were both right AND wrong.

Have a nice day.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 11:33

29. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)


I would agree with you Mike G77, except his remixfa's next comment about dead people voting for President Obama validates my response to him. He has an irrational hatred of a Black man being President of the United States, that's his naroww-minded, conservative tainted, GOP d**kheaded problem, but what place does it have here? On a cell phone news site?

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 11:55 1

30. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


lol, so, because i dont like obama, its because he is black right? lolololol. crazed liberals always go for the race card to shame people.

A) it was proven during the 2008 election

B) the same tactic was used by other high profile democrats including the late John F Kennedy, who won chicago and other places by a thread... on the dead vote. I didnt know JFK was black.

I dont deal in partisan, I deal in FACT. And no, for the record, for the 300000th time, I am not a republican. Its amazing how fast liberals go right to name calling, shaming, race baiting, and more. Man, im surprised you didnt pull out the "fox news" card. lololol

"Illinois coming down to Cook County (the Chicago area) with allegations of widespread fraud- namely the dead voting for Kennedy. Texas (Lyndon Johnson's home state) also had allegations of fraud ("Kennedy won Texas with the help of live Catholics and dead Protestants")"

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JohnFKennedy

And the obama dead vote? 2 million are reregistering for the 2012 election. thats a lot of voting from the great beyond.

http://digitaljournal.com/article/319678

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/01/11/obama-courting-dead-voters/

http://www.texaswatchdog.org/2008/10/dead-voters-still-registered-in-harris-county/

http://obambi.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/obama-fraud-dead-voters-voted-in-primaries/

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 12:10

33. medicci37 (Posts: 616; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)


I agree with most of what remixfa said. But not all liberals are biased like that. Being a Liberal (supporting Liberty & the truth) is not nessesarily a bad thing. btw not all liberals(me included) support Obama.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 13:32 4

38. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


ididnt mean all ... just the crazies that jump to wild uninformed partisan conclusions.

btw .. niether party stands for true liberty or truth . for the most part they are the same party with different colors and only look out for their own interests... thats why we need the house and Senate split between 3 or more parties.... or better yet no parties the way the founding fathers intended it... to protect the people.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 15:58

52. medicci37 (Posts: 616; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)


I agree.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 23:12

55. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)


You'll have to forgive me If I choose to so my own research on that matter and not trust anything coming from a conservative d**k like yourself or any of the links you post. But how can President Obama be blamed for something someone else may or may not have done? And let's not go into the conservatives record of outright voters fraud with Jeb Bush, commiting war crimes like George Bush, and outright racism coming from dam near every member of the GOP, whether it's comparing President Obama to a tar baby or monkey. And how about your beloved GOP butt buddies thinking that the Mega rich should pay less taxes than everyone else? Or discriminating against others because of sexual preference? Or women? Let's not debate who's the more evil because your conservative butt buddies win by a landslide. And that's the only thing they'll be winning because they'll surely be losing the Presidential election.

But as I was saying, your irrational views have no place here. Better to leave them with you in your mom's basement.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 12:20 2

34. MikeG77 (Posts: 370; Member since: 24 Nov 2008)


Yes I saw his comment and I can see where your frustration comes from. That particular comment was not really relevant to the conversation but I don't think he hates Obama but more so his political philosophies.

Now just a little background. I myself am a conservative who is of West Indian and European decent and I am offended that anyone calls Barack Obama a black man. Yes the man has some very obvious black features but he is not BLACK. The appropriate term to describe him is that he is bi-racial individual. Now I don't know what nationality you are but let's assume for arguments sake your black ....tell me how an average black American relates to Obama in regards to soci-economics??

Now because I am conservative and I disagree with his political policies does that make me a narrow minded, conservative tainted, GOP d**khead? What would you say to a person who is liberal who disagrees with Obama?

Keep in mind I'm not trying to criticize you I'm just trying to understand your comment because if he is so biased against Obama you are equally biased agains it conservatives.

If only phonearena had a politics section

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 23:01

54. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)


Disagreeing with President Obama is fine and is your right. But running around a mobile news site and spewing irrational hatred to the man is bizzare and out of place and unwarranted. And the majority of conservatives/GOP hate President Obama for no other reason than he's Black. And I say Black because as per definition in the constitution and by law of Genetics, the Black or African gene is the dominant gene and If you have one twelfth of Black or African Blood in you then you're Black/African. And yes, I an Black. Proud to be so. As for my comments about the GOP/ conservative, they have shown how racist they are. Referring g to President Obama as box, the birther movement, comparing him to a tar baby and a monkey... These are all racist and all coming from conservatives/ the GOP.

As far as my opinion on President Obama's politics, how can the man get anything dine when the GOP has pledged to block and oppose anything President Ivan's puts on the table, not because they disagree, because the causes President Obama supports now the GOP supported with Bush and others before him, but simply because he's Black. But as I states in my first post, none of this has any place on this site, and yet red**ksfa brings it up or something like it in dam near every post.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 11:04

27. berserk500 (Posts: 1; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


Yeah Obama is to busy dealing with the Lightsquared CEO resigning from ties to the white house...plus he is a blackberry man isnt he?

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 10:42

22. Whateverman (Posts: 3189; Member since: 17 May 2009)


That was a bit of a reach even for you remix.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 11:59

31. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


WEM, you know i almost always have facts to back up my case. This is no different. Not a stretch, a sad sad fact.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 12:28

35. Whateverman (Posts: 3189; Member since: 17 May 2009)


So what are you saying? Are you saying that you have proof that Steve Jobs and President Obama sat down and devised a plan to use the Chicago court system as a way for Apple to steal Android secrets? You can hate the president all you want, that is your right. But to think that he actually wants the destruction of the Android ecosystem is a bit of a stretch.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 13:37 2

40. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


they sat down multiple times to discuss deals. we don't know what they talked about but it is definitely not outside the realm of possibility that they traded favors.

its probably not personal for Obama... just a returned favor. to think that's not possible u would have to believe that Obama isnt a corrupt politician like they all are, and that jobs was not an a-hole that has a personal vendetta against android and wouldn't use any dirty trick to bring the robot down. both of their track records say that is possible. true or not we will never know, but it is most definitely possible

the proof was for the undead voting.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 13:58

42. Whateverman (Posts: 3189; Member since: 17 May 2009)


My friend...you are slipping ever so dangerously into sounding like acertain someone who shall remain nameless, who was banned a few months ago. You're looking for any reason to hate Obama at this point its getting scarry. He's plenty for for to hate already... but now your hating him for something that you THINK may have happend? Com'on!

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 14:35 3

46. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


dude every politician is corrupt and we all know Jobs was as well. we don't know 1/100th of the conversations Obama has with anyone. its conjecture for sure but the track record for both of these men suggests its within the realm of possibility.
that's not Obama hate specifically, that's just knowing that our politicians are corrupt and work for the highest bidder... Obama is no exception. I wouldn't put it past any politician on either side.

its just especially troubling when its In a very politically corrupt city, where the president happens to call home, where his old right hand man who has had numerous corruption and strong arm charges filed against including being part of the blagovich seat selling scandal is now mayor, and shortly after he had private and secret talks with Jobs.

it may be coincidence but there are an awful lot of common dots there.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 15:01 1

48. Whateverman (Posts: 3189; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Favors are one thing... total destruction of a company is another. Politicians that high up generally dont pay back favors in that mannor. Do I believe there was some corruption at play here... heck yeah! Do I believe Obama placed a call to some judge to say, "Rule in Apple's favor no matter what"... Absolutely not! The corruption in Chicago is very local. Washington has very little to do with anything that happens in Chicago and they know it. The politics in that city is ruled with a mob like mentality, one which Rahm Emanuel can't even begin to understand, let alone influence or control. Apple greased the right palm alright, but it wasn't in Washington.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 15:13 2

49. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


rahm and Obama were very much a part of the mob style political corruption. remember Obama himself was called into question for the political favors he got his house with. he used those same favors to get michelle a huge salary position she couldn't have gotten without him.
he may be in Washington for now but they are very much a part of the local corruption.

and why couldn't he? he could have promised that judge campaign backing or support for some cause, or a position higher up the food chain since rham is in charge .

no one said he was out to destroy any one company. just that he might have had a hand somehow in this decision... to see internal moto and google documents... which again is not outside possibility

had it not been in Chicago none of these dots would have fit so easily and the correlation would not have been made.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 23:16 1

56. Whateverman (Posts: 3189; Member since: 17 May 2009)


LOL! Obama has no pull in Chicago. That's your own hatred talkin buddy. The Daily family runs this town, and there isn't a thing Obama can say to change that. He couldn't even get elected to congress here. Just look up Obama vs Bobby Rush. He is considered an outsider here too because he was a man of the people. He faught the little guys here. Chicago politicians didn't like him at all! You may have read a few articles here and there, but I live here. I have seen it with my own eyes. Just because ILLINOIS elected him to the senate, doesn't mean he had any power in Chicago. Ask some other people from Chicago who has more power; Obama, Emanuel, or ex-mayor Daily. I bet you a dollar to a dounut that 9 out of 10 will agree with me that the old mayor has much more clout then the current president.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 09:21 5

15. troybuilt (Posts: 155; Member since: 16 Dec 2011)


Apple probably promised the judge free iPads and iPhones for a lifetime, if he would rule in their favor, or at least a hefty check to pay him off. Our justice system is crooked and can be bought out by the highest bidder. If I had billions of dollars I could get a judge to rule in my favor and hand over to me Apple's iOS source codes. What a corrupt country we live in. I'll never ever ever ever buy any Apple products. I've talked several people into not buying one either. I'll continue this because it makes me happy to know I'm making Apple lose business, even though it's small, but it will grow in numbers I assure you.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 20:39

53. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)


keep it up bro

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 09:36 1

16. Smurf (Posts: 2; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


Smurf you, Apple!

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 09:37 1

17. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


chicago.. the only city where dead people constantly vote for president. ask Obama.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 10:22 1

21. tward291 (Posts: 559; Member since: 14 Feb 2012)


lol they also tried to sell his senate seat but he didnt know anything about that

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 10:56

24. TCVerizonRep (Posts: 3; Member since: 21 Oct 2009)


troll

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 10:58 1

25. Whateverman (Posts: 3189; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Chicago isn't the only place where people do stupid things like that. Look at all the voter suppression that's taking place right now. Pretty soon, they bring back the "How many jelly beans in that jar?" test that prevented millions of people from voting.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 09:50 1

19. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)


Google will get this overturned on appeal. Besides, what Phonearena and every other site this is mentioned on fail to say is that Google is under no legal obligation to provided any documents unless directly subpoenad to so so. Google isn't apart of this court case so good luck to Apple getting any information.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 10:19

20. vijaysivakula (Posts: 162; Member since: 17 Aug 2011)


Stupids who don't understand the technology world.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 10:58 1

26. lauremar (Posts: 181; Member since: 29 Feb 2012)


Chicago, the circuit court and the judge probably got paid by Apple enormous amount of $$$$... That's just how the city and/or state works... Sad but true...

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 12:06 1

32. pookiewood (Posts: 566; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)


I can't stand Google or Apple but I have to back Google on this one. This is crazy.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 13:37

39. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


ohh yes...if veteran Motorola cannot beat Apple in court... HTC and others will suffer...

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 14:07 3

44. Whateverman (Posts: 3189; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Is that really what you want...forApple to destroy Android? Are you not a fan of choice, or do you believe a monopoly would be good for the industry?

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 14:28

45. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


whatever I believe doesn't change a thing... I know people laugh at Apple moniker for changing things again and again.. but is true.. car manufacturers copy each other all the time.. Apple change all that.. now you cant have anything to simulates their product... I am not quick to judge... I want to see how this will turn out.. but one thing I am certain. Innovation will not stop... we may pay a price for that. but most people are worried about innovation moving forward and I don't see that stopping anytime soon... Android will exist... and Apple will exist...

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 14:51 1

47. Whateverman (Posts: 3189; Member since: 17 May 2009)


I agree with you there. I dont think this will stop innovation either, but these kinds of rulings are very distractive to that process. Can you imagine Chrysler having right to approve or disapprove of every car Ford makes. Nothing would ever get done. And it isn't about being fair to these companies, its about narrowing the end users choices. If Apple can prevent Android from making any advancements, history shows they will try. This is like opening the gate so the wolf can come in. Can you trust a wolf to NOT eat your livestock?

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 15:45 3

50. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


i agree with you... on that.. but I hate when people mention that will stop innovation.. when so far.. look at the Note... the RAZR,,the HTC One... but the wars need to stop.. i dont care the results. just stop them..

posted on 07 Mar 2012, 10:32

57. snowgator (Posts: 3200; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Well said galli. +1.

posted on 07 Mar 2012, 13:02

60. bayusuputra (Posts: 941; Member since: 12 Feb 2012)


for once i agree with you.. all these must stop.. show us real innovations, real technology, and not just legal actions..

all these are just NATO (No Actions, Talk Only)..

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 13:50 1

41. MorePhonesThanNeeded (Posts: 618; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)


Interesting stuff here, I wonder why that court agreed to allow this anyway? It will most likely get appealed before any sort of papers will be given over. You clowns keep your political crap off this site, has absolutely nothing to do with cell phones. Don't care about who you like or don't like, didn't come here to read your political views. Ignorance is bliss but sometimes people feel that they need to give you a piece of their mind, like you asked them for their brand of intelligence? Shut it up and keep it on topic yes?

Here comes gallito, it's apparent that you have some very odd behavior patterns but you are one of the biggest followers I have ever seen on a site, but I applaud you for not just being one of those cowardly trolls who just thumb people down and not post your own views...eh, Miz and company? This site has a lot of factions on it, in fact it almost looks like the American political system, oh the irony of it all.

posted on 07 Mar 2012, 14:38

63. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)


I'm not a clown, and I was trying g to keep it on topic, but remixfa has been spouting is irrational political views for some time now on this site. Normally I ignore it but enough is enough. Why the moderators on this site never said anything to him before I did is beyond me. But I agree with you. Politics has no place on this site. It's what I was saying in all of my comments.

posted on 06 Mar 2012, 14:04

43. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


all I am saying is that.. 1st of all justice is never fair. we should have learn that....money talks here and everywhere... that's why celebrities like Lohan hardly will do time.. if you want fairness and justice.. good luck..

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