Can the more open nature of iOS 8 bring the Android marginals into the Apple fold?
- Can the more open nature of iOS 8 bring the Android marginals into the Apple fold?
299 votes (299 votes) For sure - iOS 8 is a nail in Android's coffin for me
496 votes (496 votes) It's very possible, though it's unclear at this point
439 votes (439 votes) I'm definitely intrigued by this new approach, but I'm staying with Android for now
991 votes (991 votes) Absolutely not. Despite these changes, iOS is still a long way from Android and what I'm looking for
1. amiaq (Posts: 378; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)
If Google has "Project Butter", with iOS 8 Apple should call it "Project Ketchup", get it? "Ketchup", "catch up"?
2. Arte-8800 (Posts: 3086; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)
That was epic
"Project catchup, iOs8"
5. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Thank you Apple for WWDC 2014! Each time when I watch WWDC it always makes me proud...
...PROUD THAT I'M ANDROID USER! :D
7. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5461; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
After watching WWDC I'm impatiently waiting for a video from Armando Ferreira! :D
29. akki20892 (Posts: 3255; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)
Android is way ahead, can't beat....its a giant lion the king of mobile os.
41. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1090; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
so does that mean project butter is actually project butthurt?
43. kabhijeet.16 (Posts: 627; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
LOL.. how butthurt are you after reading such a comment, you couldnt contain yourself from writing this comment and abusing others...?
45. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1090; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
well to avoid confusion, i dont own apple devices. im a nokia lumia owner. so this does not hurt me at all
3. wilsong17 (Posts: 735; Member since: 10 Mar 2013)
i have a note 3 why would i switch to apple really lol
my next upgrade the note 4
4. 0xFFFF (Posts: 2045; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Apple did take some steps in a positive direction, basically so apps can work together better.
It still seems that there is still no way to change the default applications. Nor any way to use what in Android parlance is called a "launcher". Nor the ability to use a third party browser that is not based on Safari.
There is also the issue of not having a file system or a file browser. I'd like to be able to plug an iPhone into my computer and just copy files, i.e. pictures and videos, not have to use iTunes/iApps for everything.
11. Tom_Gjeka (Posts: 10; Member since: 02 Jun 2014)
With all these features on ios 8 battery drain will be a big problem unles the put in a bigger battery on iphone 6
33. Neo_Huang (Posts: 286; Member since: 06 Dec 2013)
Oh, it'll be WAY bigger. A whole 130 mAH bigger!
8. JMartin22 (Posts: 713; Member since: 30 Apr 2013)
Even if they did take their software in the right direction, it still has a way to go towards being a more progressive OS, not to mention their hardware offerings for me personally spell bad taste and kind of still turn me away, despite these so-called positive changes. Being stuck with one hardware choice (which I happen to don't like) just doesn't play well with me
Lets not forget that Google isn't going to take this laying down. I'm sure they're well aware of iOS and its changes and plan on bringing some major changes of their own down the line to Android.
14. 0xFFFF (Posts: 2045; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
Some good points. All phone platforms are compromises.
Apple is coming from a completely closed environment and getting "more open". It's baby steps for now, but maybe it will develop into something more over time.
On the other hand, Google is coming from a nearly completely open environment and making things "more closed". Android is going quickly towards locked down closed phones, as per most of the latest phones from Samsung and LG being locked down completely. Google removes functionality that is good for rooting, but does little or nothing about securing the Android platform against malware.
Neither Apple nor Google offers easy root for their OS, yet for a truly open system, this is a requirement.
When it comes to app productivity, Google should make some strides. I think what you are saying here is right. Come Google IO, I hope we see some good features for Android users, not just more data gathering BS and anti-user stuff.
26. networkdood (Posts: 6250; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
the locked down phones is primarily with AT&T and Verizon - with T Mobile they are still very unlockable - so far...
30. 0xFFFF (Posts: 2045; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
True, so far T-Mobile has resisted locking their phones down. Probably wouldn't fit their rebel uncarrier marketing plan too well.
I suppose the real point is that Google could make it so phones cannot be locked down by default and make locking them down some sort of customer option that the Department of Defense and others can choose to turn on.
9. Tsepz_GP (Posts: 779; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)
A nail in the coffin for me. I've been using a iPad 4 alongside my GS2, GS3 and GS4, and many of these new features fix my main gripes with iOS almost completely, so if Apple come through in September with a iPhone 6 5.5inch, I think I will jump ship and take a iPhone 6 5.5inch 64GB in a heartbeat.
The Galaxy Note 4 better be bloody good, because Apple just killed with iOS 8. :)
12. wilsong17 (Posts: 735; Member since: 10 Mar 2013)
how does the implement of app going to work or how many appp will be incompatible with 5.5 inch
15. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Huge move by Apple for sure. I can see this having more of an effect than anything Apple has done to get Android folks into Apple land.
That said....choice of hardware is still a huge draw of Android....and why I would go to WP if Android one day disappeared.
25. networkdood (Posts: 6250; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Yup, I came from winmo - APPLE would be a step back for me if Android went away...
16. snowgator (Posts: 3188; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
What they did was announced enough that they are back in the headlines for "revolutionary" steps forward as what will be reported by the general press. I see no reason for iOS users to not be excited. Larger devices, more options for fun 3rd party apps, and some things truly unique to Apple. But to cut into Android? Nah, it is still priced out of the stratosphere and will still only offer a couple new models with old iPhone options as the lower end. Android still has the wide selection at dozens of price points. Maybe a slight bump to the iPhone, but Android has zero to worry about.
17. PBXtech (Posts: 966; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)
"Android will never pass up iOS."
"Android is dead when Verizon gets the iPhone."
"Android is dead when Sprint gets the iPhone."
No one mentioned T-Mobile because they were so wrong with their earlier predictions and statements. iOS 8 is NOT a nail in Androids coffin. It's nice for those who had no features the rest of us had years ago, but it isn't going to make a dent in Android.
24. networkdood (Posts: 6250; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
I like what post 16 says...but, yeah, Android has a HUGE marketshare and all APPLE did with iOS 8 is ensure that its users will stay put - a few Android users will see the bigger iPhone and try it, though....
18. Slammer (Posts: 938; Member since: 03 Jun 2010)
This is huge. But only for Apple users. It seems Apple has only leveled the playing field just enough to keep Apple fans from leaving Apple. Not bringing in Android fans. Next up? Google.
23. networkdood (Posts: 6250; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
As always Slammer, you sum of up things very eloquently - short and sweet - please, sign up with PA to become one of their writers and show them how it is done :-)
19. fzacek (Posts: 1242; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)
I like the direction in which this update is heading, but I will still never buy an Apple product. If this update changed the fact that the iPhone is overpriced, I might consider it...
20. 0xFFFF (Posts: 2045; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
It seems many phones are now all about the same price as the iPhone. For example, a 16GB Galaxy S5 is $640-660 while a 16GB iPhone 5S is $650. IMO, these are both overpriced phones, considering you can get an entire notebook computer for less than this, including an expensive Intel chip.
Too bad the OnePlus One, which seemed like a break from all the high prices, turned out to be a fake phone.
I know from past experience, an ATT single line iPhone plan is $6/month more vs. the exact same plan for an Android phone.
22. networkdood (Posts: 6250; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Sorry, to break it to you, but the OnePlus One is a real phone, just doing it there way and if you are impatient with their process, then that is on you...when I get my device - I will let you know....
As for pricing, what Apple has done is created a market for products that are premium-ly priced, but are not premium...the consumer is the loser there....
28. fzacek (Posts: 1242; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)
Do you really think you're getting the OnePlus One? Unless you have an invite, you're screwed and will never get the chance to buy one. It's the cold truth...
31. 0xFFFF (Posts: 2045; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
@networkdood -- Agree with everything except regarding OnePlus. I think this company is nothing more than a scam. A real company would (a) take pre-orders and (b) make phones.
35. roscuthiii (Posts: 1785; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
That requires capital... something start-ups usually trail far behind of other established companies, unless they can get some form of sponsorship/investors/loans but all those routes leaves a company beholden to someone(s) other than the people who've actually formed it.
Plus, they're selling at cost... also making it difficult to generate any other production as every sale no matter how many sales while not a loss is not a gain either.
Building to order really is their only option if they don't want all their hard work to be a pay off for someone else, or if they don't want to increase unit sales price where they'll get lost in the jumble of other established brands.
36. 0xFFFF (Posts: 2045; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)
If they charge for pre-orders, like many startups do, then they shouldn't have a huge problem with capital. They are already using the Oppo factory.
As I mentioned in a different news article, if OnePlus had 1M paid pre-orders, that's $350 million they could spend on making phones. With component volume discounts, they should be able to make all of 1M phones and easily break even or possibly turn a small profit.
Making tiny batches of phones and using hunger games "invites" is pretty much the stupidest way possible of launching a startup.
38. roscuthiii (Posts: 1785; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
I agree completely... I just think the problem is that because of things like carrier availability and brand loyalty to other manufacturers that getting pre-order numbers like that is unobtainably lofty.
And using another companies facility cannot be without costs adding to overhead. It's possible that due to their super-duper-extremely-close ties with Oppo, I do suppose they could be provided gratis.
Also possible that the contract allowing them to use Oppo's production facilities dictates that they will only provide them for confirmed orders, as every handset produced in their facility by OnePlus is basically going to be viewed as money lost since it's not going into Oppo's coffers.
21. networkdood (Posts: 6250; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
ok, now with all these changes - here are my questions - Can I unlock the bootloader on an iPhone? Can other manufacturers make an iPhone? No and no? Ok, guess I am staying put - thanks, Apple...
27. Bmorecrafty (Posts: 2; Member since: 18 Oct 2013)
Guys. Im sorry, this confuses me, are they talking about Nokia? Samsung? HTC? coming into Apple? Because Apple makes iPhones, we will never see a Samsung iPhone. I don't understand what marginals they mean.
32. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6139; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
This question is irrelevant. Why because Apple tends to use outdate software that Android have been using since what year 2010?
37. roscuthiii (Posts: 1785; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
These are good moves for Apple, but still... They really are just tacking things on as a "me too" catching-up rather than trailblazing forward and taking the lead over what Android has offered consumers.
I'll consider an iDevice when they drop all their patent suits, now that they were obviously inspired by and are "sampling" other OS's features.
44. kabhijeet.16 (Posts: 627; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
I shall consider when they drop their prices.. And offer plastic variant at as low as $150-$200 like Moto G/Nokia Lumia 520 has done... But I know thats never gonna happen coz its Greedy-Apple