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Can the iPad survive the Windows 8 wave, or will history repeat for Apple?

0. phoneArena 30 Aug 2012, 16:11 posted on

Much like CES and MWC have become parades for new Android devices, IFA has been the show for new Windows 8 tablets, and tablet/laptop hybrids. And, the question must be asked: With the wave of Windows 8 about to crest, can the iPad survive?

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posted on 30 Aug 2012, 16:23 3

4. krimHD (Posts: 106; Member since: 23 May 2012)


windows 8 is surely the future brought back in time... lol

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 16:25 1

5. mas11 (Posts: 1034; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


iPad will remain on top because it's the "cool" thing to own

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 16:39 13

8. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


It's cool to own a MacBook, but those never made it to the top. It's cool to own a Porche, but those will never be on the top of market share.

More often than not "cool" is inversely related to market share.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 20:53 1

39. MeoCao (unregistered)


I think Apple are clever to put iPad price at reasonable level. The profit margin of iPad is much smaller than iPhone and that makes it very difficult for other tablets.

I think Google is very smart too by temporarily avoiding competing directly with iPad and gaining market share with N7.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:14

44. mas11 (Posts: 1034; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


MacBooks start at about $1200 the iPad starts at $500, it's much easier to drop $500 on a device than $1200. I tried to convince one of my friends to save $300 and get a Nexus 7 instead of an iPad, but he didn't want to. As much as I want to see Surface become the #1 tablet, just don't see it happening.

Btw there are Android phones that you can get for half the price of the 4S, such as the Galaxy Nexus and the DROID RAZR, yet the iPhone still outsells both of them by a large margin.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 03:50

61. MeoCao (unregistered)


The main selling point of iPhone over Android was responsiveness and reliablity, but now Android has caught up with iOS in that department. Android is now the top OS and not iOS.

If new iPhone keeps old price point I think we will see rapid decline of iPhone market share.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 18:18

18. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)


Well i think you might be mistaken there, everyone owns an ipad, and its not cool to have what everyone has, so i feel that the ms Surface will be much cooler than the ipad.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 19:09 1

27. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


When the iPad was the only choice "everyone" had one. The share has been shifting drastically. The Surface may be cooler at launch (or maybe the iPad Mini), but in the long run, Windows is never the cool choice.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 02:11 1

55. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)


Well this might be in the usa, but im from europe (Croatia) and from a personal experience id say far more people prefer a windows pc to an apple pc, and win 8 will just build on that. Besides coolness is a subjective term, for example i find my lumia far cooler than an iphone....

posted on 01 Sep 2012, 16:59

72. gaby1451 (Posts: 114; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)


Speaking of iPad Mini Michael I'm curious, how would you characterize the release of such a device without conceding to the idea that Apple does indeed care about market share and not just profit margins? I mean, if Apple wasn't that concerned about market share it wouldn't release a smaller tablet that directly competes with the current crop of 7 inchers flooding the market, no? Yes in the end Apple will always care more about profits, but doesnt the fact that it is releasing such a device suggest it isn't blind to where the money can be made and concurrently, where the market share can be gained?

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 00:50

49. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


I don't know anyone who thinks apple products are cool anymore. The lost their cachet around 2009 at the latest, especially when all the factory horror stories started being spread

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 04:45

65. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


u sound like a "SHOWOFF"

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 16:29 8

6. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 2283; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)


The iPad looks and feels boring , now days....

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 16:33 2

7. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Only thing Constant in world is "CHANGE". Even Apple will have to continuously keep changing and mending it's ways to align with market requirements and in any market more the number of players better it is. At least this prevents any company going into an extended hangover of previous success unless it is prepared to go RIM's way ...

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 16:46 1

9. Ueliton (Posts: 34; Member since: 29 Aug 2012)


Well, I think that there is room for everybody. I really hope iPads continue on the market, not because I care about Apple (f**k Apple), but because it is better for us, consumers, to have choices.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 17:24 1

12. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


I vote for apple doesn't care.

I do see them still releasing the Ipad Mini, but it wont be competitive spec wise to similar priced tablets, Apple will still be makign sure they get a minimum of 30% profit off the cost to develop the tablet, but it will more likely be in the 40-50% range, I'll honestly be surprised if its anything better spec wise than being a smaller Ipad 2 without the rear camera.

Apple prefers profits over marketshare, every time. The strategies that MS and Google take are too risky and costly, Apple keeping its tightly integrated system that ensures brand loyalty which means the ability to make more off a similar speced product than most companies.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 17:58 5

13. rassouli5 (Posts: 51; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)


Microsoft will crush both Apple and Android. They're no match for Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 18:14 6

16. 12Danny123 (Posts: 87; Member since: 18 Aug 2012)


Well to be honest for android in mobile phones. It's a different. But I do think it'll eat into android's and mostly ios's market share. Also ios is so limited. Even limited than wp8.
I rank it like this based on limitations.

1) Android 4.1 -
2) windows phone 8-
3) IOS 6

Why like this?
Becuase wp8 has lifted tones of limitations. And it's much much more mature and it can match android in specs. And in hardware looks and iOS in usability and simplicity . For example samaung has launched the Samsung ativ S. incredibly beautiful device by the way. It's using brushed aluminum with the note/s3/s2 style hardware. Compared to the cheap plastic Samsung makes for android. Pity though. iOS has a lot of limitations. No micro SD storage, limited multitasking and a lot more.

I'm a ms fanboy so I'm fine :-)

posted on 02 Sep 2012, 02:16

77. haseebzahid (Posts: 1853; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


best thing MS is listening to consumers thats why they lifted many limitation they put in wp7 but apple never care about users . MS has offical web for sugestion and voting so they can have more idea of demands and i seen many of those items sugested their were implemented when their votes got too high

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 18:10 3

15. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


the same were said about windows phone and nothing happen.. so until I see it I will believe it

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 18:16 8

17. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


I didn't even read your comment before thumbing it down.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 18:18 1

19. 12Danny123 (Posts: 87; Member since: 18 Aug 2012)


Well the difference between windows 8 and wp is significant. So you can't say Anything about win 8 based on wp

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 19:10 7

28. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


The big difference here is that Windows Phone had no base to build on. Windows 8 is going to be pulling from the base of millions and millions of Windows PC users.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 22:44

42. stealthd (unregistered)


The reaction from Windows PC users is they hate Windows 8. People are saying Windows 7 is going to be the next Windows XP in enterprise because no one wants to move to 8. And Windows RT is NOTHING like current Windows, there's really no connection between the two to draw anyone in.

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 23:00 2

43. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2705; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Only the most hardcore fans hate Windows 8, because they are the only ones that have actually used Windows 8. I don't care what anyone says if they haven't used it yet. It's different, but it's still nice, and it would obviously work very well on a tablet or hybrid device.

Enterprise may not like Windows 8, but tablets are becoming more and more necessary for enterprise, and the choice would still be Windows over Android or iOS, even if you don't like the new Start screen, because you don't have to develop anything new, you can just keep using your same software.

posted on 31 Aug 2012, 00:55

51. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Agreed.

And for the stubborn whiners, there's always "Desktop Mode". Personally I'm keeping my desktop on 7 U64 but I'll get a Win8 tablet and an AIO since it was designed so well for touch. I use 8 RTM/CP on a separate partition, and while it's good I'm going to wait for more drivers to be out before converting since I need it for work

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 18:21

20. ogy_dogy (Posts: 453; Member since: 29 Jun 2012)


I think it will be the pc market all over again in a few years... ipads will be rare and everyone will want them... and then theyll go out and buy a Windows 8 tab couse its the sensible thing to do. Everyone thinks highly of the iphone but buys androids... its just a matter of fact. and so is that apple is a nieche player and due to their high margins they dont really care about high marketshare...

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 18:30 1

23. technut (Posts: 71; Member since: 03 Aug 2012)


I really don't see the limited rt version as a threat, but windows 8 pro... Massive threat!

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 18:37 1

24. 12Danny123 (Posts: 87; Member since: 18 Aug 2012)


Well rt will fit students and there are tones of kids who need office for school and they most likely pick the rt tablet instead. Of the iPad. Not a massive threat but more of just a student threat

posted on 30 Aug 2012, 20:19

36. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)


well iPad's ecosystem is already one of the best when it comes to student.. i've read before that apple is really making an effort for student...so everything the students need is available in iPad... and i've read one blogger that apple is giving away iPad2 to medical students in US for free..

my sister also need an iPad coz its really a need in her studies (also a medical student) but since my parents cant afford her to buy one she just bought an android phone coz she thinks android and iPhone are just the same..but she will might recieve an iPad now..

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