Can Windows Phone upward momentum continue through 2014?
0. phoneArena 18 Dec 2013, 18:29 posted on
Windows Phone market share still places it a distant third behind the iOS and Android duopoly. But even with a small 3.6% share of the global smartphone market at the end of the third quarter, Windows Phone has been growing faster than the competition. In the five biggest European markets, the platform has a better than 8% slice of the smartphone pie. ...
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1. Ninetysix (Posts: 2036; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)
How long have they've been running their app store? They still don't even have apps for two of my major credit cards (Discover & American Express). Lack of apps is a major turnoff for me.
2. aquariumdude (Posts: 40; Member since: 11 Jan 2012)
For your information, the Windows Phone Store has over 200,00 apps.
That's plenty of apps. And most of them are quality. And just because it doesn't have 2 apps of your liking doesn't mean the entire store is lacking. Besides, they should come soon, as the banking app Mint just recently came out!
4. Sauce (unregistered)
He was giving an example of two popular and expected apps. There are obviously many many more that are not available, so quit being so defensive and understand a simple comment lol. No one cares how many apps are in ANY app store. People care which apps are available.
10. Jason78 (Posts: 203; Member since: 10 Apr 2013)
Exactly. It doesn't matter how many apps are in an app store if it doesn't have the apps a person uses. I have a Windows phone but I'm thinks of switching back because Windows lacks several apps that I use. Specifically BBC, NPR, Hilton Honors, and Southwest.
13. bigdawg23 (Posts: 421; Member since: 25 May 2011)
Hilton Honors is a joke on iOS and Android. I can use my browser to be more productive. Hilton took forever to make iOS and Android even somewhat useful. Also keep in mind it took Andorid a very long time to get apps like iOS.
22. tigermcm (Posts: 834; Member since: 02 Sep 2009)
I hear more of, "WP barely has apps" compared to "they dont have the app I want"
38. Jason78 (Posts: 203; Member since: 10 Apr 2013)
The people that say "WP barely has apps" have never considered a Windows Phone and are just hating. The people that say "they don't have the app I want" actually have a Windows Phone or have at least considered getting one seriously enough to check what is available in the app store.
41. jamesad60 (Posts: 4; Member since: 17 Dec 2013)
Every one of the services you and Ninetysix mentioned has a good mobile website. There is no need to limit yourself to apps. The mobile sites typically give you everything a native app does if not more. Bookmark the sites or pin them to the start screen for quick access. For NPR and the BBC the Store is loaded with podcasts of their radio programs.
44. Jason78 (Posts: 203; Member since: 10 Apr 2013)
The reason I like apps is because most of them store data on the phone. Take the NPR or BBC apps. The android version of these apps download all of the stories to the phone so I can read them on a plane when I have data turned off. I don't listen to podcasts of a story, I can read the transcript much faster.
16. eldyagustius (Posts: 169; Member since: 30 Oct 2013)
as you know, Microsoft cooperated with my university to increase their apps population. My college wanted each of their 5th term student to create windows 8 apps in windows 8 hackathon. This is mandatory. You can imagine the total of the 5th term student in my college reach more than 1000 students. We can develop the apps in group by three person. Most of us didn't understand the basic of metro apps programming. I'm not sure those apps uploaded and accepted by windows store were quality apps. So this is one of the way microsoft generate their windows store apps amount, however not most of them are quality apps :)
19. Mittal (Posts: 493; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
I am badly waiting for better Google Apps on Windows Phone. Youtube, gmail and the search app are a joke currently.
Otherwise i love the posh look of the interface
20. mikelemon (Posts: 95; Member since: 21 Nov 2013)
Google hates windows phone. It may never come.
24. ihavenoname (Posts: 1645; Member since: 18 Aug 2013)
Why Google hates M$? Because M$ does Scroogled commercials.
28. eisenbricher (Posts: 973; Member since: 09 Aug 2012)
Didn't you try MyTube or MertoTube? Those leave the Official YouTube app in dust, on any platform. I've stopped watching YouTube on my Android phone since I began using these apps on my 520.
37. elitewolverine (Posts: 3778; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Metrotube blasts youtubes official apps. Google apps? meh use your browser, i can use all my google services in the browser for what i need. Google Drive on WP, is a good app imo.
Gmail? you got the web browser, my gmail works just fine in the stock email app.
Search app? bing? It has never failed me yet, there has been nothing my phone couldnt find that google has found.
40. Dastrix (unregistered)
Agreed. Under most cases, IE is way faster than loading up individual apps. I use Hotmail/Outlook, so i configued my email for that. So fast and fluid. I'm sure people can do the same with Gmail for that matter on WP. And yes, Bing > Google, especially after watching this:
Bing never failed me anyway. Google did, that's why I switched to Bing in the first place. I get better and more relevant results than with Google, especially when doing research papers. I know for one that my search history is not being monitored and shared with others. That's creepy.
3. phil2n (Posts: 487; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
this is your Ninety sixth. trolling on WP.. One troll non-costumer is not going to stop WP to gain momentum
5. kaikuheadhunterz (Posts: 1129; Member since: 18 Jul 2013)
This year is the first year I saw almost as much Lumia phones as Galaxy phones, so I'm confident they can continue the momentum
12. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
MS needs to get a clue and get rid of the STUPID carrier exclusives. Every exclusive cuts out potential sales from the excluded carriers. Until the exclusives end, WP will not maximize its sales.
15. woodshop20 (Posts: 459; Member since: 14 Sep 2013)
Under Ballmer, MS doesn't have any clue at all.
21. mikelemon (Posts: 95; Member since: 21 Nov 2013)
I am sure MS would be better under you right?
23. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
While I haven't been a fan of Ballmer, I can't blame him/MS for the carrier exclusives. Nokia owns those all by itself. I am just stating that the exclusives need to stop immediately once the Nokia acquisition closes. No. More. Exclusives.
If Elop advocates for continuing exclusives once the acquisition closes, he needs to be summarily dismissed.
6. SemperFiV12 (Posts: 936; Member since: 09 Nov 2010)
A very well written article. Pretty objective, and I enjoyed reading it.
7. hurrycanger (Posts: 1536; Member since: 01 Dec 2013)
I hope so. I hope the windows app store grows and multitasking will someday actually work. Do Skype and Viber work in the background now? It didn't before. I had to go into the app in order to receive a call. When that is fixed and the app store gets more apps (read Sauce's comment), I will get another Windows phone. It's fun to use multiple OS'es instead of just one.
8. Furbal (Posts: 649; Member since: 22 Sep 2012)
I could see it happening. It is a nice, fluid os
9. Sniggly (Posts: 7296; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I don't think that WP will keep growing at the same rate. Google is training its gun sights at the ultra low end market with KitKat and the Moto G (which is apparently also enjoying good sales success).
And as long as Microsoft's corporate culture continues to reflect Steve Ballmer's rather repugnant personality in its business practices, I wish them all the bitter failure they can swallow.
25. ihavenoname (Posts: 1645; Member since: 18 Aug 2013)
And if Nokia branding is removed, only small number of WP users=geeks will buy it.
11. N-fanboy (Posts: 543; Member since: 12 Jan 2013)
WP's growth this year is mainly due to Nokias hard work. Nothing else, but nokias hard work. So without nokia's know how MS is gonna get a beaten up and abused in the brutal smartphone market. Plus its gonna take a while for people to start to recognize the 'MS' branded phone.
26. ihavenoname (Posts: 1645; Member since: 18 Aug 2013)
Microsoft is least sexiest tech company in US. Nokia, eventhough they kinda screw things up, is still sexy. Only thing why WP still exists is Nokia. Hardware and branding.
32. DKJnr (Posts: 24; Member since: 11 Mar 2013)
You are forgetting that it's MS that's been paying Nokia hefty sums to keep them afloat so i wonder really is responsible. Just a thought.
14. GeekMovement (Posts: 2022; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)
Even if Windows Phone is growing so quickly and improving its OS, the other two OS, Android and iOS, are also improving a lot with each update so it's not going to be an easy competition for Windows Phone to just quickly grab more market share. Still, I am glad that they are climbing to a solid 3rd platform and do believe they will continue to grow if Microsoft doesn't mess it up and Nokia continues to deliver great products (because there wouldn't be competition for windows phone without Nokia). I love how there are more different OS to choose from.
33. jroc74 (Posts: 5643; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
"Even if Windows Phone is growing so quickly and improving its OS, the other two OS, Android and iOS, are also improving a lot with each update so it's not going to be an easy competition for Windows Phone to just quickly grab more market share."
Exactly. The reason BB, Win Mo and Palm dropped so dramatically and Palm disappeared is because they didnt really get better and the new kids the iPhone and Android were like a breath of fresh air.
I still dont see how WP and BB being separated by that small amount means WP is a solid 3. Lets wait til BB really falls lower to say that. WP doubling BB's market share of 1.7 isnt exactly awe inspiring. Its growth, but its really small and slow as we are coming up on 4 years since WP launched.
But hey, if a solid #3 is 3.6, I'm sure MS will take it. I just dont see Android and the iPhone dropping so much anytime soon.
17. Jeradiah3 (Posts: 1018; Member since: 11 Feb 2010)
Windows Phone is making quite a splash this year and it should get better. They may not have the type of popularity that Android had when they started, but I see some similarities between them
27. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
From article title, it's almost suggested it's going to go downward at some point soon.
This I do not see.
However explosive or even stampeding growth, I do not see either.
I think they'll just hold their own for time being.
Doesn't really deserve more then that IMO.
29. WHoyton1 (Posts: 1635; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
I just find the OS incredibly boring and has no where near as many features as android or iOS...i certainly won the buying another one!
30. Snoobab (Posts: 175; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
Android on my Galaxy S4 is SO damn disjoint! Windows Phone 8 is an absolute pleasure in comparison.
34. timezone (Posts: 87; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)
The Windows phone beats Android and the iPhone and the world is starting to catch on. When I show my phone to Android and iPhone users they start to drool. They can't believe what the are seeing. The momentum will continue and grow. Pretty soon the Press will not be able to ignore it despite all efforts to ignore the phone and wishing Microsoft dies. Go Microsoft!
35. Sniggly (Posts: 7296; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
How nice of you to share your fever dreams with us.
Meanwhile, in reality, Microsoft continues to act like Steve Ballmer, making the rest of us raise our middle fingers in salute to it.
42. jroc74 (Posts: 5643; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
You forgot the sarcasm tag....
WP is nice n all, but I really think they need to have more than 1 screen. Let the Live Tiles be the home screen, and have 5-7 extra screens for either more Live Tiles to be added and/or a traditional setup like Android, iOS, Win Mo.
Cuz no matter what ppl say.....if you have lots of apps with Live Tile setups.....that screen becomes a long scrolling list.
36. tasior (Posts: 263; Member since: 04 Nov 2012)
I think that the growth of WP is over. The reason it grew in Europe is that people were used to Nokia. In 2013 those people were switching from Symbian. Some went for Android or IOS, but many reached for new Nokia, that happen to be Windows. The transition is over and so is the WP growth...
43. timezone (Posts: 87; Member since: 16 Jun 2013)
Jroc74, the phone has two screens. The tiles and then the app list screen.
according to Gartner, the Windows phone will beat out the iPhone in a few more years. They made this prediction a few years ago and have stayed with it.
Already the windows phone is number two, beating the iPhone in a number of European countries. Despite the wish of Android users to see the windows phone die...it is not going to happen.
ihavenoname, Google hated Microsoft long before the Scroogle campaign. Google is scared of Microsoft even more than they are of Apple. The problem for Google, for every windows phone, Google loses marketshare in search. That statement may seem laughable right now but a company can't stay complacent for too long.
The times they are a changing...Microsoft will be a force to reckon with in smartphones and tablets.