Can HTC's superphones worry Samsung? HTC President seems to think so
0. phoneArena 28 Jan 2013, 09:25 posted on
HTC used to be a fearsome figure in the Android space. Having built both the very first and second Android phones, the manufacturer had accumulated significant experience with the OS by the time the other companies joined the party...
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45. XPERIA-KNIGHT (Posts: 2375; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
cheap iphone knock off bro why would sony copy that? when the iphone copied sony!
48. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
mate your so one sided
sony excel in design yet you think they copy samsung. you feeling ok? your been an idiot now
plus everyone knows the s2 was a copy of the iphone and the reason for all this crap. which was why samsung changed the s3 to distance from the iphones design and layout. and as already said the iphone should be credited to sony for design
53. XPERIA-KNIGHT (Posts: 2375; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
thank you man sometimes they try to make me look like i dont know what im talking about but im here to expose companies that cheat there way to the top and thats my only purpose for being here........to stop some deep lies and help see original companies find they're way back to where they belong............like RIM Sony and HTC
and like i said before just cuz i chose this name and avatar DOES NOT mean im all FOR ONE COMPANY...... i try my best to stay far away from being "one sided" and stay closer to the truth!
So thanks again for seeing things clearly and not seeing things through "emotions" like alot of people around here
98. cripton805 (Posts: 751; Member since: 18 Mar 2012)
SG2 doesnt look or function anything like the iPhone.
Let the phones release first instead of talking about 1.5 yr old devices.
28. GALAXY-STORM (Posts: 321; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)
Same old copycat story again...lol. You just wished sony's phones were half as threatening as htc's . When it comes to android Samsung isn't threatened by any other oem and its more likely to stay that way. As Samsung has much higher brand reputation their products mainly flagships is selling and will continue to sell more than whatever others brings to market.
If you can't resist your blind hatred and jealousy towards Samsung' success, wait and see what happens between xperia z vs sgs4 and togari vs note 3.
30. umadd (banned) (Posts: 40; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)
It's hilarious how he says Samsung just "sits back watch all the original and innovative ideas surface", because Sony has been doing EXACTLY that.
35. GALAXY-STORM (Posts: 321; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)
Xperia design is an sgs2 ripoff and if it wasn't for the galaxy note's success there wouldn't be an togari or whatever phablets that are coming up.
Samsung Is leading forward while others are taking a leaf or two out of Samsung's book nowadays.
43. emadshiny (Posts: 763; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
one request: please don't compare Sony's great and sexy designs with those crappy plastic ones of samsung. where was samsung when Sony produced the best phones on the earth and again what the hell did samsung do when Sony was producing P series with stylos??
49. GALAXY-STORM (Posts: 321; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)
Sony producing best phones???? If They are best phones why aren't they everyone's top preference?
The crappy cheap ones are far more reliable compared to the whatever s**t you call sexy & premium.
50. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
the better phones dont usually become to top preference. you android fans were crying this when the iphone was on top and just because samsung are now on top doesnt change this
samsung had good marketing and unified there line up which helped them create a recognizable range. much like apple did...sure you wont like that
anyway motorola, sony, lg, HTC are capable of making or have made better all round devices but thanks to marketing samsung have become the go to name for android to the general public
51. emadshiny (Posts: 763; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
i think your internet usage is just limited to this site. take a look at different ideas in different sites and you'll see which is crappy and which is premium. sammy is holding this place for one year and you consider it as the invincible brand. one more point: don't worry about GS4 and noet3 as well. just wait till IFA and then we'll see.
31. cgyspy (Posts: 13; Member since: 25 Jan 2012)
Oh year? Samsung will never drop any product first ah? Then tell me who was the first to introduce 5+inch Phablet to the market when everyone was laughing how big the Galaxy note was ? and now everyone including HTC and Sony is copying Samsung and introducing 5 inch phones.
Do some research!!!!!
46. emadshiny (Posts: 763; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
enlarging the screen size is not an innovation man. so whichever company that has introduced the tablet for the first time can claim that others are copycats. this is none sense.
52. MistB (Posts: 509; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
Much like how HTC 'made' the first 1080p phone, but I don't find anything appealing about the DNA. The screen for a start isn't made by HTC, the processor isn't HTC, nothing is HTC's. At least with Samsung they actually make their own stuff rather than rely on 3rd parties and remember, being first doesn't always mean best. Ask LG, sooner or later the first will eventually be obsolete just months later. Oh, if that Togari Phone can do half the stuff the note 2 can, then bravo, if not, just lay down and be brushed into irrelevance like so many other companies coming out with their own Phablets are trying to do yet fail to utilise the device to it's maximum potential with a huge display just to brag. I personally don't care whom claims to be the best but as long as they serve the functionality and needs of the consumer that is all that matters, sales speaks. Not just through advertising but through usability. Try all brands, I have and I don't have a preference or bias for any brand OEM, I'm pretty much using every platform except Windows Phone which is worth a shot with the Lumia 920.
54. saiki4116 (Posts: 268; Member since: 31 Mar 2011)
Samsung simply didn't enlarge the phone,they have made state of art Digitizer and the software that makes use of large screen..Why do you think Notes are selling So much...Didn't LG came up with Vu to compete with Note, what happened to it..TouchWiz may not be shiny compared to Sense, but it makes using android phones easy with it's toggles on the notification center etc...Samsung is on the top not only because of Flagship phones, they have a phone for every price and for the same piece of hardware,they outperform their rivals with hardware optimizations they bring in their software...Look at Sony phones, they look sexy, but touch is not as good as Samsung phones at any price point....
55. MistB (Posts: 509; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
Let us not forget that 2011 flagships Sensation/XE and Xperia Arc pretty much being left to rot without updates whereas the S2 is still getting updated 2 years later. This is why I'll be sticking with Samsung/Nexus phones from now on. Despite still having an Xperia play stuck on Gingerbread for the rest of it's life and having to rely on Rooting.
115. b1acktiger (Posts: 174; Member since: 19 May 2012)
GS2 were a game changer for Samsung and i dont think samsung will drop their huge customer base down and hurt their sales. Ripped version of S2 Plus is an example of taking advantage of their greatest smartphone. 2011 flagships of HTC and Sony were not a success as Galaxy S II.
107. emadshiny (Posts: 763; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
if you read my first post you'll see that i have mentioned that a great deal of Sammy's success is due to advertising. maybe if you work with LG phablet you'll find it better than Sammy's but because Sammy is blinding everyone with their ads, no one even want to try other brands. i have also mentioned that Sony is producing low and mid range products as well. so don't judge the results of 2013 so soon. the products you are talking about are those of 2012 and now our concern is 2013 products.
94. kclgphilsbsa (Posts: 762; Member since: 21 Jan 2013)
my God then tell me what Sammy observed from the past and copied them.. just use Touchwiz and for sure u'll be using a SMARTPHONE, now use Note 2 and for sure, you'll be using the SMARTEST PHONE(phablet)..
108. emadshiny (Posts: 763; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
UI is just the matter of taste. we are talking about innovation and bringing new ideas.
109. kclgphilsbsa (Posts: 762; Member since: 21 Jan 2013)
touchwiz UI brings NEW IDEAS haha :D dont u know abt it? lol
and what innovation are you referring to?
lets see this, using the photocompare tool of Gsmarena, Samsung galaxy s3 and note 2 outperformed the photo quality of all Sony's smartphones even the 13mp equipped.. Samsung uses Sony's lens but what happened ? Sammy knows how to optimize their software,,
just bcoz the older sammy phones are rumored to be copies of iphone, then sammy is not an innovator? and just a copycat?? hold your breath and i know Sony will also use stylus.. nxt year will be the battle of stylus capabilities :D
102. jroc74 (Posts: 3459; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
If thats the case....HTC had a 4.3" phone in 2009....the HTC HD2....Win Mo. The next 4" phone didnt get made until 2010....also HTC...the EVO. The Droid X came out a month later.
HTC were probably the first to start the big phone craze.
38. szaboagoston (Posts: 23; Member since: 28 Nov 2012)
You have a point, but you are not completely right. I also thought about the galaxy s III basically being the one x, just featuring a bit more where it really matters (and a bit less, where it doesn't matter). This was enough to kill HTC, who had made great efforts with their superphone. But HTC can't expect from others not to do their best to earn money, and they sure make their own mistakes. HTC has to create products that are not so easily beaten, and I believe they can attract fans back. Most android users would like HTC to do well. As to the innovation: the galaxy note and note II are quite successful and "brave" Samsung products.
68. taz89 (Posts: 1771; Member since: 03 May 2011)
They not releasing any new products because they don't need too...there s series has always come out near may or June time and the note 2 has always come out September to October timeframe...if they were worried they would be rushing there product to the market but the fact that there note 2 and s2 and s3 are still selling well they are not in any rush too be replacing there s3 or note 2 line.
You also say Samsung just sit back and copy yet it looks like everyone is trying to jump on the note succuss...including Sony who are working on a big phone of there own...everyone's been copying everyone
93. kclgphilsbsa (Posts: 762; Member since: 21 Jan 2013)
and also going with the advanced stylus capabilities :D
92. kclgphilsbsa (Posts: 762; Member since: 21 Jan 2013)
haha :D so full of Sony ryt now,, like your username :D
at least Sammy is not a manufacturer of monthly flagship phones :D
they care abt their loyal consumers who bought their latest flagship phone who worried abt being outdated :D
okay keep on talking abt copying.. why would one choose Sammy's phone if it is a copy of others> seems illogical if those buyers can see those features to other phones from which sammy copied :D
and if sammy didnt provide more astonishing elements, why would they sell like hotcakes? :D
16. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)
Motorola X phone is the phone to beat... Sorry HTC, i'm defecting to Motorola soon. Maybe if s-off is easier to achieve, then I'll consider staying...
17. willywill_evo (Posts: 162; Member since: 05 Jan 2011)
HTC need to keep F***ing them self in the as, they doing a good at it.
18. IU_Lover (Posts: 35; Member since: 23 Jan 2013)
Phones with similar designs just don't work, look at apple and htc. Both of them each have similar design language for some time already. Those companies don't necessary do bad, but their sales has shown some dipping.
19. GALAXY-STORM (Posts: 321; Member since: 13 Oct 2012)
Apple Is the only threat samsung faces and vice versa in all terms. While the rest.....Lol. like they can release a phone targeting the market of sgs3 and i5.
23. cR203 (Posts: 146; Member since: 27 Jan 2013)
HTC can't begin to make Samsung worried. HTC makes some of the best devices but they're still not on Samsung's level yet.
33. centurion (Posts: 25; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
htc phone are good but the updates suck or could be the carrier. an that why samsung is much better an still win over htc
37. Deadeye37 (Posts: 51; Member since: 25 Jan 2011)
I think HTC can fight back if they just do a few things:
-sell their flagship phone(s) on all carriers a-la SGSIII/Note II
-put the microSD slot back in their flagship phone(s) (removable batteries would be nice also)
-step up their marketing big time!
-don't make any stupid moves.
72. networkdood (Posts: 4749; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
that last bullet could be tough for HTC to do.
56. ckoch125 (Posts: 155; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
It is doubtful unless they 1. get the same phone on all carriers like samsung, and seriously improve their update process. That and if the new sense is as resource hungry and buggy as previous versions they still will fail. Oh and HTC advertise the crap out of your phones so people know about your phones.
59. Kev50027 (Posts: 3; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
As far as I can tell, the Droid DNA's only trump card is the screen. It doesn't have expandable memory, the display isn't that big, the battery life isn't good, the battery isn't replaceable, and from what I've heard, the design is a bit more delicate than it looks.
I compared the two extensively and went with the Galaxy Note II.
64. kanagadeepan (Posts: 519; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
First make a phone with bigger battery or atleast a replaceable one HTC...
66. belovedson (Posts: 811; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
Cautious you mean?
Samsung holds the tech right now in just about every vital component electronics.
One of the best gpu/cpu and engineers for optimization
Extremely competitive spirit. Not many know but Sony helped samsung during its foundation. And in a few short years they exceeded Sony as the president said he would.
67. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5430; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
Motorola is a rising storm too. Samsung better batten down the hatches to quote the Dark Knight Rises. ;)
70. networkdood (Posts: 4749; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
I hope HTC improves, because Android cannot just be about Samsung. LG and Panasonic and Pantech, and Kyocera need to step it up, also. The last superphone for HTC was the ONE X and ONE X+...how is that working out for HTC?
73. Taters (Posts: 1768; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
The HTC fans here are in denial. First, the Samsung Galaxy S2 looked nothing like an iphone and Samsung was patient with the phone. Sure it ended up selling over 20 million handsets but that was simply through word of mouth and the fact that it destroyed the Atrix and Sensation easily. It was hardly advertised and the same model was not released on every carrier. The galaxy S1 on the other hand, didn't really sell much at all. The GS3 success was well staged and well planned, meaning it was totally earned and wasn't because of advertising.
Two, another reason why HTC is horrible is because they never learn. The power button continues to be in a very non ergonomic place, the micro usb port continues to be annoying to use, except with the HTC 8x, but I believe Microsoft forced them too or they still wouldn't change. The batteries that they use continue to be too small. Also every HTC device that I purchase continue to have build defects. This never happens to the Samsung devices I purchase. Not exactly my idea of great build quality.
HTC really needs to get a new designer or introduce a more strict quality control instead of paying Apple money that they do not deserve. Speaking of that, I will never purchase an HTC device ever again because Apple is not getting even 1 cent from me.
95. kclgphilsbsa (Posts: 762; Member since: 21 Jan 2013)
you have a point :D
s2 myt be an iphone's design copy but internals started the beast fight on android.. and this phone made sammy worth to be followed by many users. so after s2 they diddnt rely too much on advertising but came out with a SMARTphone that will really attract customers :D
97. vandroid (Posts: 195; Member since: 04 Sep 2012)
Denial? HTC has been lacking and the galaxy s1 was good when I had it
74. phoneman09 (Posts: 10; Member since: 23 Mar 2012)
That's a good one HTC. I don't think so.
75. snowgator (Posts: 3015; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
From what I remember- and feel free to correct my timeline or facts, as I am going off my somewhat questionable memory- HTC really took off about the same time Android took off- about 2009. HTC Sense was a very respected UI. The only skin everyone agreed complimented Android, not complicated it. It had a a polished feel, a very professional looking skin, and really added some decent functions.
It was when they went overboard with Sense that their problems started. It made their devices buggy, and made updates tougher to manage. As their updates and software became less appealing, so did their devices.
It didn't help that when Windows Phone replaced Windows Mobile in 2010 that WP was not ready for prime time. HTC was a leading device manufacturer of Microsoft powered devices, so they also took a major sales hit creating a dependency on Android.
So, it isn't the "hardware" side of HTC that has EVER been in question. I was all in on HTC, even after I decided on WP. I loved their phone builds. The problem is their software. Samsung toned down their UI and started promoting and supporting their Androids. They became #1 almost despite complaints of their build. HTC needs to show a true dedication to their ONE series and WP 8 devices. They need to ensure their Sense is a good UI again- not something so over done it slows the Android OS down.
Do these things, and their quality will shine. If not, they become an Android developer trying to fend off an improving group of companies like Sony and Motorola, and Samsung will just simply laugh off these statements as they continue to dominate.
103. jroc74 (Posts: 3459; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
"From what I remember- and feel free to correct my timeline or facts, as I am going off my somewhat questionable memory- HTC really took off about the same time Android took off- about 2009. HTC Sense was a very respected UI. The only skin everyone agreed complimented Android, not complicated it. It had a a polished feel, a very professional looking skin, and really added some decent functions. "
That year they also made a 4.3" phone for Win Mo....they basically started the big phone market.
80. vandroid (Posts: 195; Member since: 04 Sep 2012)
HTC is a joke I use to be a huge fan now I don't think I'm gonna use another one of their devices for a long time
83. belovedson (Posts: 811; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)
The problem with HTC, is each phone has a key feature missing or jacked up. Or exclusive. HTC should have made a revision to the evo lte with a bigger batter and higher specs and the camera possible. It's definitely the most sharpest looking HTC.
But it has a bad camera, battery and it was exclusive for sprint? Idiots. The one plus or whatever is called has a stupid name and boring. The DNA is awesome but battery. Limited storage. Exclusivity... Omg.
I want to join that company and fix it. Starting with replacing all the pundants and reorganizing it
85. lyndon420 (Posts: 1359; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
My htc Dream and Magic still work as good as day one. I'm not using them anymore, they are now just trophies to me.
89. ahhxd717 (Posts: 282; Member since: 08 Dec 2011)
Why the hell is everyone here a die hard Samsung fan? I swear, if anyone prefers any OEM to Samsung, its the end of the world. I thought android was supposed to be open, not just Samsung. I've never had problems with any HTC phone I've owned (minus the Pure, but that was because of WM6). and everyone hating on HTC probably has never owned an HTC phone or just one bad one. I literally feel like its the same situation with Apple that is happening to Samsung. They've become popular and cool, so everyone will defend them to their death like Apple. Its silly. I've heard super good things about the DNA (except lack of SD which was Verizon's fault, not HTC), yet everyone says its terrible because its not Samsung. And what die hard features are on the S3 that are lacking in HTCs? SmartStay? PopUp video? Those seem rather useless to me. I mean, everyone is like "Vanilla or Touchiz only plz" but Sense has at least the same features as vanilla, nor has it lagged since 4+, at least accrding to nesrly everyone who actually OWNS a newer HTC. But still they're terrible for no reason. What gives? I like Samsung, but they've succeeded in becoming a popular successful phone brand, not necessarily making the absolute best phone possible.
96. kclgphilsbsa (Posts: 762; Member since: 21 Jan 2013)
im Open with all brands but im sure that Touchwiz and stylus capabilities are what im after always because of so many reasons.. another thing that HTC lacks is the camera factor..
104. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3278; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
... I like HTC and Motorola, but that's just me.
105. bayhuy (Posts: 245; Member since: 23 Jun 2011)
I have(had) 4 HTC phones...all of them great! No bugs, no defects, perfect devices...I will never choose Samsung phone...the beauty of the phone is too important for me.
110. anshul0000 (unregistered)
i used to appreciate htc devices but htc proved me wrong.....last year htc released a stripped down version of original one s in asia.....they repeated the same thing with desire sv.....how can they expect us to buy them?