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Bruce Willis might sue Apple: his girls can't inherit his iTunes collection

0. phoneArena 03 Sep 2012, 07:08 posted on

Hollywood superstar Bruce Willis, the one you’ve seen in Die Hard and Pulp Fiction, might just launch his own legal war against Apple and its iTunes store…

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posted on 03 Sep 2012, 22:16

87. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Ok, now.. without DRM to tell you who paid what to who's account, how would you EVER go about enforcing that? hmm? No DRM = no account ties. You gonna sue everyone who says they didnt keep a receipt for a CD purchase but has the same song?

Thats my point. There is no DRM. That means there is no control DL from Google music has all the same non-protections as simply burning the CD yourself. There is no account tracking/tying software embedded in it like there is in DRM. Its JUST the MP3 file.

Google Play DOES have DRM in other sections such as apps and movie rentals. THAT is what they are talking about. You can not transfer DRM protected content. There is zero way to stop the transfer of non DRM content like google music because there is no way to prove it was ever transferred to begin with.

posted on 04 Sep 2012, 18:43

94. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Imma try this again: I will separate what I wanna emphasize.

"You may not sell, rent, lease, redistribute, broadcast, transmit, communicate, modify, sublicense or transfer or assign your rights to Products to any third party without authorization,

including with regard to ......any downloads of Products that you may obtain through Google Play."

Any downloads includes everything. Thats why its not specific in the other sections.

Read the Google Play ToS link again...about music files having meta data in em. DRM free and just giving your stuff to someone is not the same thing. DRM free makes it easy for you to view stuff you bought.

Here is another good read...from gasp Macworld...lol:

http://www.macworld.com/article/1138000/drm_faq.ht ml

Read this section: Does the lack of DRM mean that it’s okay to give copies of the songs I buy to my friends?

Some key points:

(And it’s fair to note that iTunes does embed your iTunes ID in every iTunes plus file you download, so it’s easy to see who bought the file originally.)

Google Play does the same thing....but it says it may contain embedded data. Under 7. Music on Google Play.

Best bet in these cases is make a disc and let the daughters go from there.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 20:06 1

83. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


True, although I do suspect that Google doesnt like me accessing Google Music from my Blackberry playbook. Its perfectly capable of Flash and HTML5, but I cant play my Google Music tune from my playbook. I can play my Amazon music though from the browser.

Anyway, I guess the point Im getting at is, Google is one of the companies backing HTML5, and I had an idea that HTML5 means being able to run websites and web software without platform limitations, something that Google appears to be forcing on me. That in itself can be considered a DRM. Sure, I can access my google music from my phone through an app or my PC through the browser just fine, why cant I on my tablet with a fully functioning browser?

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 20:35

86. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


This is what I'm getting at.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 22:18

88. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


your getting at nothing. You can play google music through a frikkin iphone browser, that's old news. And Safari is a very limited browser. The dude just obviously does not know how to use the tablet, or its missing something.

I have never had a single issue ever with playing music from google music on any browser that supports the features.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 17:30 1

74. TheRetroReplay (Posts: 254; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)


That's the smartest thing I've ever seen you say

posted on 04 Sep 2012, 02:57 1

90. luxzy801 (Posts: 140; Member since: 16 Jun 2010)


Bullcrap fanboy!!!!
Copyright laws do not say anything about willingly transfering ownership of a song (as long as you dont make any profit on it and it is not a reproduction of the original product)
This is what DMCA is about:
imposes rules prohibiting the circumvention of technological protection measures
sets limitations on copyright infringement liability for online service providers (OSPs)
expands an existing exemption for making copies of computer programs
provides a significant updating of the rules and procedures regarding archival preservation
mandates a study of distance education activities in networked environments
mandates a study of the effects of anti-circumvention protection rules on the "first sale" doctrine

Before you bring your fanboyism into the game, make sure you got your facts straight.

Under the term "Fair Use", I can transfer my music to anybody as long as I do not infringe on the copyrights of stated music (ie, reproduction, resale for personal gain, transfer of ownership for personal gain and so forth)
This is what we call communism people.
You pay for it but we still own it, welcome to the new world!!!!!

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 11:06 4

58. 305Bucko (Posts: 506; Member since: 07 Aug 2011)


APPLE: All your music are belong to us

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 07:20 10

4. mariosraptor (Posts: 130; Member since: 15 Mar 2012)


yes yes.
the sky is blue, water is wet and apple is Evil.
glad that people start to notice.
boycott all of the products they make if they Will(is) change their policies.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 07:21 7

5. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


apple is trying to be a DICTATOR

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 08:30 2

24. disneydad (Posts: 114; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)


Do or do not...there is no try.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 07:23 7

6. jove39 (Posts: 1889; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Apple - You didn't bought music, you borrowed it for a while.
Bruce - Borrowed...huh...Kiss my @$$ Apple!

Me - wondering how Bruce Willies plan to destroy Apple, drill cupertino...Armageddon style?

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 07:23 20

7. GoBears (Posts: 451; Member since: 27 Apr 2012)


Once Chuck Norris finds out, Apple is done for.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 20:09

84. downphoenix (Posts: 3165; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


Chuck Norris is able to get his content transferred to another account. I think Bruce Willis just wants to do the same.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 07:26 6

9. whysoserious (Posts: 318; Member since: 20 Jul 2012)


Lol! Apple is so damn stupid for giving out that lame reason to a very powerful man on the Hollywood industry. They could've made a quiet exemption, but instead, they made a fool out of Bruce like he was just one ordinary i-she3p that they can treat like idiot like everybody else.

Nobody messes up with John McClane.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 07:35 3

12. Hafiz (Posts: 78; Member since: 20 Dec 2011)


Yah! Nobody!

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 08:19 2

21. joey_sfb (Posts: 6044; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


'Borrow' what an interested way to put it. I think i will just stick to my CD and ripped them for my portable player. Its a 2 minutes task.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 08:32

26. disneydad (Posts: 114; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)


Oppa Gangnam Style FTW!

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 07:29 9

10. e.wvu (unregistered)


How does Apple even know if other iTunes users who have passed away haven't already inherited the passers account? Does Apple have a team that searches every newspaper's obituaries?

Apple needs to change the terms of iTunes. They're so freaking greedy!

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 09:14 1

40. iami67 (Posts: 318; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Im sure if bruce willis died apple would knwo its not liek me or you dyin.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 07:33 5

11. Hafiz (Posts: 78; Member since: 20 Dec 2011)


Ah....now u r in trouble apple.
Just do what he says if you dont wanna die hard! =D

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 08:38 2

30. IamYourFather6657 (Posts: 321; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)


In my opinion , he can sue if he want to but i dont think it will be sucessful . Here's the reason why , before you use iTunes you must agree with the terms and condition before he can continue and he did so this lawsuit is pointless from the beggining

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 09:00 3

34. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


T&C can not ignore written law though. If there is a law on the books that says any property must be allowed to be transferrable to whomever you wish apon death, then Apple cant actually stop that, no matter what they put in their T&C.. not even the Human CentiPad

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 07:40 8

14. GoBears (Posts: 451; Member since: 27 Apr 2012)


All jokes aside, this is one of the big reasons people illegally download their content. Once you have it, you can do whatever you want with it.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 07:47 6

16. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


The general Internet going public has recognized DRM on iTunes and other services as an issue for years. If you're paying about the same price for music on iTunes that you would for a CD there is absolutely no f**king reason in the world why it can't be treated as your permanent property.

I really suspect the record companies are the culprit behind this one, though I'm sure that Apple, with its infinite desire for control, had no problem including these terms for users.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 09:02

35. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its both. media companies dont want to give up their draconian controls. DRM was a way for them to feel "safe" about digital downloads in an era where Napster and its clones were still a big thing.

However, I completely agree. If I purchase it legally, then I should be able to do whatever the heck I feel like with it. Just like a CD. Its mine, dont tell me how I can use it. That goes double for "digital copies" that come with movies I buy. Piece of junk those things are.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 09:37 1

45. GoBears (Posts: 451; Member since: 27 Apr 2012)


Not only are you paying about the same price per song BUT you are getting a compressed version of the real material. I don't care how good Apple says their codec is, it's still not near as good as vinyl or cd.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 09:40 1

46. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


That's one thing Google music has over iTunes in spades. A much much higher bitrate and no DRM.

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 08:09 1

18. PhoneBug (Posts: 14; Member since: 29 May 2012)


Chuck Norris would just roundhouse kick Apple

posted on 03 Sep 2012, 08:19 5

20. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)


And that my friends is Apple for you.

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