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Blind camera comparison: Vote for the unidentified cameraphone you like best!

0. phoneArena 04 Oct 2013, 09:14 posted on

Smartphone cameras are getting better and better every year, companies are leapfrogging themselves all the time, the industry is progressing at a breathtaking pace... With so much going on, and with the next big thing always lurking right around the corner, it's easy to lose track of exactly how all the players rank when it comes to camera performance...

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posted on 03 Oct 2013, 09:49

26. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I said its between 2 and 5 earlier, now as I look at 1 more....its in the running too.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 09:50 3

27. pwnarena (Posts: 1129; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)


i think
phone 6 is htc one
phone 2 is z1
phone 5 is lumia 1020

1020 wins

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 10:03 9

30. Deaconclgi (Posts: 405; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


Ray, NONE of those phones that you mentioned have ever been the leader in smartphone camera performance at any point in time as there has been a particular smartphone camera that has performed much better than those cameras. You seem to always neglect the facts and paint a picture in a bubble that you have created as your own idea of what devices should be considered.

Also, please tell us why the 1020 is not a typical smartphone when it is smaller and lighter than some other smartphones, even smaller and lighter than it's predecessor, the Lumia 920. Was the 920 not a typical smartphone?

Are you saying it is not because it has a 41MP camera? If so, that is your own opinion, we could say the same about the phones with 13MP cameras. OMG!!! 13MP cameras, those are not typical smartphones!!! What...when the competition gets 41MP and are lighter and thinner than their predecessors...say, a new xperia with 41MP and a slight camera hump, a GS with 41MP and a slight hump, still lighter and thinner than their mainstream predecessors, are those devices not going to be typical smartphones?

Remember the Nokia N8 and its 12MP camera, people used many excuses to say it was not a typical smartphone with such a high MP count at the time....now these new phones that you mentioned, have higher MPs and are bigger than the N8 but they are considered as typical smartphones.

Just because you don't agree with the facts, it still appears to be of poor taste to leave out the facts. You don't even acknowledge the truth that Nokia has always controlled the smartphone camera market. Trying to label it as hardcore is not the truth. They have simply been the leaders in the smartphone camera arena and have consistently had better smartphone cameras in their devices for years.

This article isn't about OSes but about camera performance and as such, if you are going to write the article, at least be fair and honest to your readers.

I am NOT asking you to include those superior smartphone cameras in the comparison, I understand if you do not have a Nokia 808 and that the N8 is too old to be considered current, all I am asking is that you are honest and that you do not omit the facts.

For example, how can the GS4 take over the top spot from the iPhone 5 when the iPhone 5 never FACTUALLY had the top spot in CAMERA PERFORMANCE. You said that is what the comparison is about. Camera performance on smartphones. How can you omit the facts time and time again? So then the LG G2 blew the 808 and 1020 our of the water? So if the G2 has the top spot in your opinion and is being challenged by the Z1, you have concluded that the G2 takes better photos than the 1020 but wait....not necessarily so as you discount the 1020 from that ranking as it isn't a typical smartphone in your eyes and therefore...that allows you to rank those other smartphones as being the leader, the top in camera.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 10:46 2

46. underbc (Posts: 22; Member since: 28 Nov 2012)


Your comment is so long that I didn't even tried to read ..

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 11:21

52. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


It's TL:DR

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 11:44 3

55. shikroi (Posts: 187; Member since: 24 Sep 2012)


I skimmed through it. He has a point.

posted on 04 Oct 2013, 03:55 1

87. sbw44 (Posts: 433; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)


Deacon, you know here at PhoneArena they live in an alternate universe where Nokia Camera's always appear to have the worst camera! Anyway its true that here even if its a CAMERA COMPARISON they always bring the OS in as an advantage towards the weaker android cameraphones! Thats why they call the 1020 a "non typical smartphone"

Funny thing is no one mention the achievement Nokia did by putting such a huge sensor in such a small and light package! Also its hilarious how they say the Z1 is firms and solid while the 920 was considered bulky and heavy while both almost the same weight.

So don't be surprised if the 1020 is not even is this comparison or if it came 2nd because in PhoneArena's world the impossible is possible!

posted on 06 Oct 2013, 03:29

123. Tomfromsouth (Posts: 76; Member since: 02 Apr 2012)


Yawn, i can't be arsed to read this either. Looks a like a lot of winging. I think its a great test. Good job ray.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 10:07 1

32. Jobayer (Posts: 167; Member since: 22 Feb 2013)


There should be a reference photo so that the taken photo can be compared to reality.for ex the 6 photos gives use 6 kinds of lighting but how do we know which one is more accurate to real lighting ?

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 10:10 3

34. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I had the same thinking. we need a camera as a pilot for these shots

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 10:10 1

35. Jobayer (Posts: 167; Member since: 22 Feb 2013)


as in reproducing what's actually there .

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 10:08 2

33. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Hopefully PA learns about their past mistakes, good to see they got rid of the EXIF. now for the real deal, I hope we see a camera (as a pilot picture) and they mix the shots orders so that in every test all phones are arranged at random, making it hard for people to identify a phone in a certain shot and pic the same on all the votes without a care (AKA poll trolling)

now seriously guys!!! stop trying to guess!!! you remove the fun of it!!

good to see companies improved from last years tests!!!! phone 5 and 2 are looking nice... but hey I wont die if after being an "android fan boy" I picked the Lumia and IPhone instead! both are known for their excellent cameras!

posted on 04 Oct 2013, 14:23

98. boosook (Posts: 1437; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)


Exactly my thought! Though I'd never buy neither an iphone nor a Nokia (at least as long as it has WP...), I know they have very good cameras. I think there might be a surprise, though... I wouldn't be surprised if one of the two was the Sony Z1! ;)

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 10:13

37. chuah1997 (Posts: 14; Member since: 30 Sep 2013)


._. am guessing is that Phone 5 Xperia Z1???? ._. well...someone had the same though?? (just guess not serious)

posted on 04 Oct 2013, 14:24

99. boosook (Posts: 1437; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)


Me! ;)

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 10:20 1

39. a_tumiwa (Posts: 373; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)


i hope one of them is 808
and btw, why no macro shoot?

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 10:28

41. Remmy (Posts: 129; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)


I kinda like the Phone 4 since it has the balance between details and color especially in the 3rd picture. :) I think it's the Z1 since it looks similar to the cropped images from other websites.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 10:30

42. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Hey Guys can you help us tip the subcategories we should see in the real deal?

I think some should be:

-Noise
-Light Replication
-Color reproduction

what else I'm missing? lets ensure many thinks get tested

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 10:48 3

47. Deaconclgi (Posts: 405; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


-Detail

A camera could produce images with low noise, accurate light and color reproduction and still lack detail.

Here is an example of that:

http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/images/features/z1/duck2comp.jpg

The Z1 photo has less noise than the 1020 photo but it lacks the detail that you can see in the ducks feathers on the 1020.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 11:04

51. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


Great! Thanks :D i want pha to make some sub categories and based on witch phone scored the sub categories we could have a winer

We know they will do

Macro
Night
Portrait
Sunlight
Video

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:28

63. Deaconclgi (Posts: 405; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


You're welcome.

Sub categories would make for a great comparison. I may use some of your ideas the next time a do a comparison...if you don't mind. :)

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 13:41

65. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)


I don't mind, some devices have accurate color reproduction and great notice reduction but lack detail and struggle with the light around them. Making them great a certain conditions and bad at others (or great to someone's perspective and bad to someone else's)

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 10:54 1

49. k1ng617 (Posts: 264; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)


Picture 3 really ruined it for camera 1. If it wasn't for that I'd pick it first.
Overall Camera 5 produced the best photos. Camera 2 is a close 2nd.
Camera 6 is by far the worst of the group.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 10:59

50. Lauticol (Posts: 346; Member since: 25 Jun 2011)


Pretty much sure the Phone 6 is the HTC One because of the Mpx. But I know it's a lot more capable (I have the phone), in the last scene the phone didn't even focus!

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 11:25

53. shikroi (Posts: 187; Member since: 24 Sep 2012)


Are the z1 and 1020 sample images full res or oversampled? Because oversampled images are what separates those two devices from the rest.

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 11:34 1

54. irfanil (Posts: 31; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)


Wow... Phone 5 is really winning by a huge margin!

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 12:08 2

56. Assa7inKing (Posts: 26; Member since: 23 Feb 2013)


I Think these phones are as follows

PHONE 1 : GS4
PHONE 2 : XZ1
PHONE 3 : IP5S
PHONE 4 : LGG2
PHONE 5 : 1020
PHONE 6 : HTC1

Well this is just my OPINION.....

posted on 03 Oct 2013, 12:16

57. moorjani (Posts: 14; Member since: 12 Sep 2013)


Phone 2 is HTC ONE

posted on 04 Oct 2013, 12:31 1

95. almostdone (Posts: 231; Member since: 25 Sep 2012)


lol
More like phone 6.

posted on 06 Oct 2013, 04:31

124. timaustin2000 (Posts: 39; Member since: 15 Feb 2013)


You're having a giraffe, mate. If it's in there, it's phone 6. Upscale 5mp to 13 mp and you get a messy blur of pixels - exactly what phone 6 is showing. There's no way in hell that you'll get that level of detail on a crop from an HTC One. No way.

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