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BlackBerry took the BlackBerry out of BlackBerry

0. phoneArena 19 Aug 2013, 01:04 posted on

In the wake of the news that BlackBerry seems to be finally ready to face the music, it stands to wonder...

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posted on 19 Aug 2013, 01:38

1. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5289; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Lots of self-inflicted wounds. After a certain point, there is too much loss of 'blood', and the patient expires. For some reason, BB/RIM could not let go of its obsession with being in the smartphone business. There was a services model that could have been a viable business model, but I fear the time for the services model has passed as well.

posted on 19 Aug 2013, 02:30 1

2. DerryAhmad (Posts: 179; Member since: 05 May 2012)


Great article.
A reminder what I love about Blackberry the first time around. Notifications, push services and Themes.
They slipped their way on OS.7.0 when they decided to kill Themes. Themes are HUGE among blackberry community (consumers and developers) and BB couldn't support themes in the new OS. Sadly, that trend continues for BB10.

I really don't want Blackberry dead. The BB10/QNX is very promising. They probably need new Board, CEO and rejunevate their vision and strategy.

posted on 19 Aug 2013, 03:29

7. sam_tek (Posts: 62; Member since: 18 Feb 2011)


I don't know about others, but I personally felt the downfall started when Blackberry thought it needs to adapt it's core style to cater to other users leaving the actual Blackberry users (productivity worshippers) in the lurk.

For instance, most keyboard shortcuts, keypress app shortcuts from the homescreen, speed dial shortcuts from the homescreen, etc. are all gone.

I think it's too little too late now anyway.... sigh! could've been so much better!

posted on 19 Aug 2013, 02:47 4

3. zoom007 (unregistered)


All I want is QUALITY APPS.

posted on 19 Aug 2013, 02:59 1

4. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 4650; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"BlackBerry took the BlackBerry out of BlackBerry"

Maxwell R. go home, you are drunk! :D

posted on 19 Aug 2013, 04:29 2

10. quadrazeus (Posts: 359; Member since: 03 May 2013)


No, PhoneArenaUser! You couldn't understand the title. YOU go home, you're drunk! :D

posted on 19 Aug 2013, 08:24 3

12. BillyG (Posts: 304; Member since: 24 Sep 2012)


what would you expect from an animal using red seatbelt? it must be drunk and on crack.

posted on 19 Aug 2013, 09:52

13. quadrazeus (Posts: 359; Member since: 03 May 2013)


Lol, you're right. +1

posted on 19 Aug 2013, 03:00 4

5. Edmund (Posts: 646; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


IBM was wise enough to admit they couldn't compete in the domestic market selling Windows PC's so it realigned its operations to focus more on gray areas such as Linux based server hardware and Super computers. They were also one of the first tech' companies to recognize the importance of emerging industrial markets like China, Russia, Malaysia, Indonesia, and South America.
I think there is still a huge gap that needs to be filled in the commercial segment of the mobile market, both in terms of tablets and smartphones; An area in which google (android) and apple (IOS) software simply "doesn't cut it". This is where Microsoft, Nokia, Lenovo, and even Blackberry, enter the picture.
In my opinion there is only one option available to BlackBeery if it wants to keep operating in the sector - abandon BB10 and adopt Windows Phone.

posted on 19 Aug 2013, 03:09

6. harigrg33 (Posts: 139; Member since: 20 May 2013)


Blackberry jst need more useful app...

posted on 19 Aug 2013, 04:23

8. Antonyjoseph (Posts: 208; Member since: 06 Apr 2013)


Would love to see BB devices with WP8 OS. Would be awesome.

posted on 19 Aug 2013, 04:29

9. TheM16 (Posts: 80; Member since: 14 Aug 2013)


well said..

At the moment I own both Z10 and Lumia 920 both are great Smart phones.
they both have smooth stable OS, fast and new experience with lack of apps 

Let me mention some points.

I liked the new Blackberry OS especially, I know they removed lots of features they had in OS 7 and it was a huge mistake. (it drove lots of users away) but the new OS also provided many important things were missing in OS 7 (In my opinion) like (Fast pc experience like browser, much better notification system than OS7 (it’s the best I ever encountered in a Smartphone and getting even better in OS 10.2).
love the very fast and intuitive way emails ,social apps and notifications are handled (the Flow Feature they invented).
I used to share many media files with my laptop (music, images and docs) via Bluetooth or USB cable , the Z10 made it even easier for me by connecting via Wi-Fi to drop and take whatever I want.( it just works for me) unlike the exhausting iPhone and iTunes.
Yeah apps are the main disappointment for BB10 but they are increasing gradually but slowly, it’s another important point to drive people away from BB.
BBM improved with many feature but they also took away lots of basic features or you can say what we got used to in OS 7. (saw people getting back to their old BB cuz of this).
Camera is good with good features not the best though.

In my opinion and as a previous owner of iPhone 4 and android since (Cupcake till JB) the phone is in between both, its OS is not locked and limited like the iPhone and it has lots of features like Android.
The lack of apps is the only and main problem for BB but as Smartphone it’s on par with Android and better than iPhone if you ask me.(Browsing-Emailing-Socialling)

Noticed even with the Monstrous hardware Android phones after few months of usage they start lagging and their response become slow, unlike the iPhone which stays stable.
And for BB10 the same Good OS and Stable.


the Lumia 920 on the other hand has a nice interface and apps looks very well polished on it, the camera captures nicely at night.
But they need to improve their signal reception cuz it gets disconnected from time to time, and the other problem is their notification system is very basic and annoying which cannot be configured.
Media are good but the sound control sucks (For example: once I mute or lower the media volume the ring tone volume gets effected with this action which means sometimes I find my phone on mute!!
I know it is a New OS but needs a lot of work these are the basic stuff we are talking about. But its OS is also stable and fast doesn’t get effected.

I really hope they stay in the business to spice the market up with new and different things.

I know I wrote a lot sorry for that just wanted to share my experience.

Exchanging my Lumia soon with Sony Honami but keeping the Z10.

posted on 19 Aug 2013, 06:56

11. tucutucu (Posts: 48; Member since: 03 Aug 2013)


Last time I've heard about BlackBerry was in an article saying "corporations's world is adopting Windows Phone 8"...not joking, Imma search that article (also Deustche bank adopted the MS mobile OS, and many other financial portals are suggesting to the wallstreet guys that VPN's are coming to WP8 so they can leave BB10 soon).
BlackBerry wake up!!!

posted on 19 Aug 2013, 11:27 1

14. djripster (Posts: 109; Member since: 10 Dec 2011)


I would have really liked to see BlackBerry 10 as a customized Android, like Amazon did with their Kindle lineup

They could have made it uniquely BlackBerry and kept access to Android apps

posted on 19 Aug 2013, 14:34

15. fjftokyo (Posts: 27; Member since: 06 Jun 2013)


After my AT&T contract being over back in June I switched over to Verizon and bought the BB Z10 I was tired of the same old with my Samsung GS2 but after owning the Z10 for two months and a half I can honestly say that the phone isn't that bad the keyboard is great it's way better the the Iphones but not as good as Androids I guess Im just used to swype, the OS is okay since its basically a copy of Windows but what was the deal breaker for me was apps, there are non and the apps that do exist in the BB world are abizmal I ported some over but it's not enough for me to stay. I sold my Z10 over the weekend on Ebay and I'm about to buy a Samsung GS3 with a bigger battery. I gave BB10 a chance I guess it wasn't ment to be.

posted on 20 Aug 2013, 00:09

16. snowgator (Posts: 3160; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


I have said a few time I really enjoyed playing with BB10. It's gestures and and it's built in capabilities are amazing. Problem with it is two-fold: Those that love BlackBerry like Maxewell R do not like BB10 for it's inablity to bring along with it the things they have grown to depend on in BB07 and earlier devices. This article outlines this so well. The second problem is those that may be swayed from other devices- those tired of Android/iOS or the small group who loved WebOS and could see BB10 as a long lost cousin- do not want to live through a start-up of an OS. Even WP is still fighting this with over 200,000 apps.

This is why I worry for Tizen, Firefox OS, and all the other start up OS. How do you build an audience? If BlackBerry with it's built in fan base and enterprise loyalists are on the verge of dropping out, what chance do they have?

posted on 20 Aug 2013, 13:12

17. scottae316 (Posts: 10; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


I love my Z10, but it has one major problem that has been stated before, lack of apps. Other problems include horrible advertising, late to market, and management change that was to late and maybe wrong replacement. The company like Palm fell to far behind and like Palm as probable the best mobile OS but it's to little to late. Add to it the specs while more than powerful enough to run BB10 are below what Android phones are and the idea bigger/faster is better still prevails (Windows Phone has the same problem). Originally I thought I would get either a Q10, Q5, or A10/Z30 but I will wait to see what happens. If BlackBerry survives (which I hope it does) great, but it will be difficult, maybe as a niche player in government/corporate usage.

posted on 20 Aug 2013, 19:08

18. Dadler22 (Posts: 159; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)


isn't the Q10 arguably a Blackberry?

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