BlackBerry reportedly cutting Q10 and Z10 production by 50%
0. phoneArena 16 Jul 2013, 13:53 posted on
It seems that the hits just keep coming for BlackBerry. The company was already in a troubling position after it watched Android, iOS, and even Windows Phone eclipse it in the marketplace. By the time BlackBerry 10 made its debut, the company was fighting an uphill battle. Its latest earnings reports were disappointing, and now it seems that the company has had to cut production of handsets by 50%...
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1. papss (unregistered)
This is terrible news for BB. I just don't see them turning this ship around
18. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
That's probably because it's hard to turn around a ship once it's resting at the bottom of the ocean floor.
21. Dastrix (unregistered)
LOL that's hilarious! Still hope for the best for BB; I wouldn't want to be Heins right now, but someone's gotta be the captain. That takes courage! xD
3. digitalw (Posts: 62; Member since: 20 Dec 2011)
People are afraid from new things. MS Windows Phone even now is frightening for new people... but for those who tried it, they are happy with it. If the price was lower, the addoption would be much higher. I'm Nokia fan and I was never on BB but BB Z10 is the most compact device i have seen. Smaller then those sun protecting bricks from Samsung and alikie, powerfull, good camera, great build quality. The only stop for me is the price.
4. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
They are both in the same sinking ship, BB, NokiaWP8!
6. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
The only way Nokia or BB will ever see good sales is to switch to Android.
8. roldefol (Posts: 3340; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
If I had a goddamned quarter for every time... oh, it's you. Nevermind.
Nokia's doing just fine. The main reason you want to lump the nosediving BB and rising Nokia together is to pat yourself on the back for your own OS choice.
12. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
Nokia is nowhere close to doing "just fine". The minuscule rise in market and profit share isn't anywhere close to helping Nokia. Nokia just made a huge purchase in Siemens and is expected to burn through it's cash before 2016. That's NOT doing fine.
This ANALyst, and others, have been propagating bad news after worse news for BlackBerry because there is over $2Bil at stake in short selling BB stock. Of course they don't want BB to do well. Where is he getting his info from? Is it official info or more ANALyst speculation? I'm really starting to think that PA is in on it with the BB short sellers.
14. roldefol (Posts: 3340; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
And yet we see Nokia and WP8 market share rising. You can speculate all you want that Nokia would be doing even better with Android, but that's all it is: speculation. No, they're nowhere near Samsung or Apple profits or market share, but they're improving. I just can't stand this prevailing notion that Android is the solution to every struggling company's troubles. It certainly hasn't saved HTC's bacon.
23. ihatesmartphone (unregistered)
Nokia should sell both WP and Android phones.
That's a good solution. To have more options is just much better than to relies on one option!
25. snowgator (Posts: 3417; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Which makes total sense until you remember the 1 billion a year for a 5 year deal (not sure in the length, but am remembering 5 years) that Nokia is getting from MS to produce WP devices exclusively.
Wait a minute!!! I fell for it, dang it!! This is a BlackBerry story. Why the heck are we responding to Nokia accusations?? Silly, silly us for giving this stuff the time of day....
26. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
I never said anything about Nokia using Android. Not a thing. I commented on Nokia and WP's paltry market share.
29. roldefol (Posts: 3340; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
No, you didn't say anything about Nokia and Android, Shatter started that. I was only following the thread. But around here, it typically goes without saying that if Nokia and WP isn't enough, Nokia and Android must be the answer.
30. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
We don't need Nokia Android phones!
If Nokia starts to make Droid phones, it will be using a year old specs. Just look at the N9 when it was released along with S2. It was using outdated specs. I never relyied on Nokia for specs even in 2007 Htc and Apple were using better specs. Nokia is only good at camera and music and average at designing phones. But the L925 looks very sexy slick smart like Lg and Sony design. Rectangle candybar looks
33. roldefol (Posts: 3340; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
For the nth time, Nokia doesn't pick the specs, MS does, based on whatever it deems necessary to run WP smoothly. That's why the HTC 8X and ATIV haven't trumped Nokia specs.
Point being, if Nokia made an Android it would have the same or better specs than the competition.
34. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Wtf Lmfao Nokia having better specs than Htc and Samsung!
Nokia is a connecting company. Htc Samsung advertise showing of there specs, not there cameras.
Please Roldefol don't be silly talking nonsense
35. cam-whore (Posts: 164; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
haha, another android user not satisfied with the phone's hardware. there is just no way nokia is gonna go for the laggy and buggy ways of android. And yes, Nokia is the only company right now seeing good up sales (inc. apple, samsung, htc, sony). And guess what, they're not using crappy android. How bout you switch to Nokia or BB, then you get rid of the lag and bug...
24. Dro (Posts: 27; Member since: 23 Dec 2009)
If the Z10 is the most compact phone you've ever seen you've been living under a rock.
Blackberry Z10 = 130 x 65.6 x 9 mm with a 4.2" screen
Motorola RAZR M = 122.5 x 60.9 x 8.3 mm with a 4.3" screen
Motorola RAZR HD = 131.9 x 67.9 x 8.4 mm with a 4.7" screen
Samsung S3 = 136.6 x 69.8 x 7.9 mm with a 5" screen
Sony Xperia ZL = 131.6 x 69.8 x 9.8 mm with a 5" screen
I think Motorola wins on the most compact department. You don't judge a phone's compactness by it's screen size because obviously some OEM's are better than others at keeping the phone and the screen almost the same size.
5. mobi_user (Posts: 130; Member since: 18 Jun 2013)
The problem is blackberry is that they are bringing too few models. To stay alive you have to make phones for every segment. BB does not enjoy the market privilege as it used to.
Enough business features are provided by even $100 phone.
7. snowgator (Posts: 3417; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
The worst part about this is if BB truly cannot make this a success we may see the last of the "gesture" base OS. WebOS couldn't make it work, and BB seems to be having a serious tough time just getting out of the gate. I think it is to soon to write them off, as it has only been a few months. They need a year or two before a giant with the cash on hand resources of BB is truly done. But truth is truth, and so far they are having a ton of problems. (Today's understatement for your enjoyment.)
I enjoyed playing with BB10. I would like to see it succeed.
9. PK1983 (Posts: 215; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
They couldn't figure out how to make a quad core phone with a 1080p screen that isn't a battery hog, that is why they came to market with old specs. Even a Chinese company, and I am not talking ZTE or Huwawi but little Chinese smartphone companies can accomplish this.
Now they try to release a high end phone, that probably will end up looking like their old high end phone still with only a 720p screen.
Unlike Nokia which can bank on its build quality, camera, and design, what does Blackberry bring to the table right now? Outdated specs, bland design, high price vs competitors.... why buy a Blackberry?
10. roldefol (Posts: 3340; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
People (and even moreso, BB execs) underestimate the amount of prestige and desirability BB has lost in the last 3 years. I don't know anyone who wants a BB10 device. Even businesses don't want them anymore. They've moved on to iOS and WP8. It has little to do with pricing or variety or even the quality of the OS. Nobody's talking about Blackberry, at least not in the US. It's a dying entity.
13. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
Please tell me what company wants WP8?? iOS and Android YES. WP8 NO. Not even the carriers are supporting WP8. The only reason why Nokia and WP8 haven't died yet is because M$FT has enough cash to keep it afloat. Period.
15. roldefol (Posts: 3340; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
True, I'm only speaking for one company, but I know of one Fortune 200 company that ditched its entire fleet of Blackberries for iPhones, Lumias and HTC 8Xs. That says a lot to me about how far Blackberry has fallen in the eyes of corporate America, when they used to be the no-brainer phone of choice.
27. DigitalJedi_X2 (banned) (Posts: 346; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
Corporate America, like most Americans, will always choose American made over anything else. Microsoft has deep pockets and long connections in corporate America.
31. roldefol (Posts: 3340; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
If that were the only factor, why wasn't Windows Mobile successful in corporate America? At the time, BB was the more refined, stable, and useful platform. That's no longer the case. And I think they would rather buy from Canada than Finland.
19. number29 (Posts: 185; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)
Where I work has just replaced all BBs with Lumia 620s.
11. GoBears (Posts: 431; Member since: 27 Apr 2012)
R.I.P. Blackberry. Thank you for everything you've contributed over the years.
16. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)
Blackberry will definitely be the first phone I buy in my after life; a real smartphone won't really matter at that point [for me] :)
17. roldefol (Posts: 3340; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I hope my Nokia 1260 is waiting for me in heaven. I'll need it to use as a shield during the Battle of Armageddon.
22. maseholic (Posts: 11; Member since: 15 Jul 2013)
The problem with BB is the price. With the specs and the performance are not worth it to buy BB. In my country, Z10 has same price with Galaxy S4, no body want BB anymore including me. Cut the price then i will think o use BB again.
28. NorCalNokia (Posts: 9; Member since: 23 Jun 2013)
I love how jealous the android lames are that they can't get a Nokia,pathetic lives they live
32. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Jealous for what?
What has Nokia to offer, just a camera. Even Htc designs and builds are way much better than Nokia cave phones.
Jealous no more like bashing it™
36. cam-whore (Posts: 164; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)
nokia doesn't explode....that's nokia hardware for you...
37. apiskula (banned) (Posts: 578; Member since: 25 Jan 2013)
I love this. Blackberry your done just fold already. There is no comeback
38. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3579; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
Blackberry overpriced their phones so less consumers.
39. imatejammer (Posts: 2; Member since: 17 Jul 2013)
BlackBerry realy have to slash prices of their handsets. The recently released OS 7 devices and new OS 10 devices are overpriced in emerging markets where they still have considerable market share.
40. Arthurhkt (Posts: 278; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)
Alright, lets be honest here, as a average handphone user and a person who are not a fan of Qwerty headsets, BlackBerry Q10 does really gain my attention, the only reason that retain from buying it was due to the price, i know it is dual core phone but yet it is sleek and smooth, i really love it, but the price was really damn too high, i leave in Malaysia, and let me tell you what, the price was even higher than the iPhone(which i consider quite expensive for average user like me), that the reason why the BlackBerry having bad sale here.
41. MickLuvHP (Posts: 22; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
I'm a Q10 user. To be honest, BB10 is really a polish OS, no lag. It's actually as simple to use as an iPhone, but with gestures instead of a home button. For specs wise, it's not as good on paper compare to Android flagship models but I can say that it's user experience is as fluid as my note 2 running on a Quad Core 1.6Ghz processor. 1.5Ghz dual core vs 1.6Ghz Quad core.
It's also my first Qwerty keypad phone and honestly speaking, it's works really well, in terms of productivity and messaging.
The only thing that BB didn't get it right yet are only the price & the amount of apps available. Selling it at a cheaper price with more apps than BB beats all!