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BlackBerry Passport appears on video; watch the QWERTY double as a trackpad

0. phoneArena 19 Jul 2014, 12:15 posted on

Thanks to its unique look and ambitious QWERTY keyboard, the BlackBerry Passport is one of the most intriguing handsets that has yet to be announced. With a 4.5 inch screen, and resolution of 1440 x 1440, the Passport presents a boxy look, with a very high pixel density. The phone offers 3GB of RAM and is powered by a 3450mAh battery...

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posted on 19 Jul 2014, 12:18 16

1. steedsofwar (Posts: 288; Member since: 07 Oct 2013)


That's actually quite clever. And the phone doesn't look as wacky as I'd thought. Quite smart TBH

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 12:35 6

4. a_merryman (Posts: 718; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)


Agreed, it is going to be an especially great feature to go back and change things when you're typing. I have a jailbreak feature that works similarly on my iPhone (using the software keyboard instead of a hardware one, obviously) and it makes my life a lot easier, and correcting texts a lot quicker. Really great added feature for the hardware keyboard.

I think the phone looks really good to be honest, I'm sure the build quality is good as well.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 17:40 2

40. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Device from dying company with not ergonomic design, small 4.5 inches display and poorly supported Operating System. Thanks but no, I don't want it!

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 17:47 1

41. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Keeping away fake reports and statistics, the simplest way to prove that BlackBerry is not popular and that there is no big interest in new BlackBerry Passport phone is to go through many different tech sites and look how much comments has articles about BlackBerry and how much comments has articles about other manufacturers. After that it should be clear that BlackBerry is no more popular and that there is no big interest in new BlackBerry Passport phone.

Talking about QWERTY keyboard popularity, there still is people who prefers physical Qwerty keyboards but such people is now MINORITY. The best proof for that is the fact that phones with physical QWERTY keyboard is almost gone in our days, almost no one manufactures them, there is no phones with latest specifications and physical QWERTY keyboard. Why? Because there is NO DEMAND! That's why in evolution phones with physical QWERTY keyboard was push out from the market by fully touch screen phones.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 18:58 3

52. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Here you go with your lies again.

"BlackBerry’s square-screened phone to free us from our ‘rectangular world,’” went the headline of Andrew Cunningham’s piece in Ars Technica, one of many pieces that propelled the Passport near the top of industry news aggregator, TechMeme

The Passport’s boundary-breaking design and oversized 1,440×1,440 screen resonated with many writers. “One of the obvious reasons for BlackBerry Passport’s square form factor is the need for innovation,” wrote Softpedia’s Cosmin Vasile. “In a market where design matters a lot, BlackBerry found out that there weren’t too many square handsets available and has decided to go for it.”

TechCrunch’s Darrell Etheringon agreed. “BlackBerry is at least taking a different approach to the smartphone/tablet/whatever-mobile-computer, the design of all which has been largely normalized over the past few years.”

So did Jon Fingas of influential gadget blog, Engadget. “They’re interesting ideas, and the unusual form factor might just work for BlackBerry’s suit-and-tie audience.

Even BGR’s Brad Reed was moved to write that “the BlackBerry Passport wasn’t designed for iS***p and Fandroids who want to play Candy Crush all day — it’s for people who want to do real work, and that means having a physical keyboard that can fire off emails like no other phone.”

Predictably, some publications took a cautious approach to the Passport’s innovations, opting to defend a status quo dominated by an endless conveyor belt of entertainment-driven, homogenous devices.

But when everything tastes like chicken, maybe it’s time for a different flavor.

Clamoring Consumers

Besides the media coverage, the number of reader comments indicated the strong interest. BGR’s post drew 170+ comments; the Ars post drew more than 240 comments, while Engadget’s blog drew nearly 380 comments. Let’s not forget the 120+ comments at our blog as well as the combined 800 comments at CrackBerry!

These comments tended towards the passionate and insightful.

“As a matter of fact the touch-sensitive physical keyboard is certainly far more inventive than anything Apple or the Android camp so far managed to pull up when it comes to text entry,” commented one reader of The Register’s piece."

Excerpts from ACTUAL websites and ACTUAL consumers. No need for lies here, unlike you. You can find more at:

http://blogs.blackberry.com/2014/07/blackberry-passport-previews-ignite-consumer-interest/

Yes, it's BlackBerry's own blog, but quotes are from ACTUAL sites and consumers. You really can't stand the fact that there is genuine interest in this handset. Poor you. ;)

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 18:57 1

51. dontneedtoknow (Posts: 152; Member since: 17 Feb 2014)


This is honestly really cool and innovation in my opinion but the thing is that if it ran android, it would sell. Even though you can get android apps on it (I think from what I read) general consumer aren't smart enough for that neither informed about new blackberry.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 19:00 3

53. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


It would sell it it ran Android? Ask HTC how that's going....

Not everything with Android sells, my friend.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 12:24 10

2. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


The more I see about this phone, the more the innovations just pop out! This is going to be a great handset upon release!

Now watch the trolls chime in with their usual BS. Have at it, TROLLS.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 12:51 8

9. Rydsmith (Posts: 198; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)


You call anyone that disagrees with you a troll.

If I say that the proportions make the phone look very hard to use single handed, I'm a troll that should shut up because most Android is that way.

If I say that though it looks interesting, it won't sell due to the fact that 1.) It's Blackberry and 2.) It still is missing the apps; I'm a troll because I don't know it can run Android Apps. Yet I do know it can run Android apps, but not all of them, and not all of them well. This is a fact.

The problem is, while the phones look nice, Blackberry seems to have an identity crisis of what they want to be. They claimed "prosumers" at first (professional consumers) then shifted gears to developing nations with the Z3 and upcoming Passport; but at the prices they are they seriously do not compete with the Moto G, Lumia 600s, or even the Desire 610.

This is something the Blackberry needs to figure out and making a phone with gimmicks (yes gimmicks) won't change that. This is not innovation, as it's not moving anything forwards or adding anything to the cellphone world. These are differentiating factors, but nothing that's earth shattering.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 13:10 8

15. jellmoo (Posts: 704; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)


A few points:

"Yet I do know it can run Android apps, but not all of them, and not all of them well. This is a fact."

Your statement is true but incredibly misleading. No, it can't run all apps and some have performance issues. But an awful lot of apps, in fact the overwhelming majority can run, and run great.

"They claimed "prosumers" at first (professional consumers) then shifted gears to developing nations with the Z3..."

What precisely about the Z3 flies in the face of Blackberry wanting to target the Enterprise/Prosumer market? It's a great market to hit in developing countries that still want Blackberry security, but at a lower price point.

" but at the prices they are they seriously do not compete with the Moto G, Lumia 600s, or even the Desire 610."

How so? They are priced similarly and the Z3 compares quite favourably to all 3 devices you've mentioned.

"This is not innovation, as it's not moving anything forwards or adding anything to the cellphone world."

Define the difference between innovation and gimmick then. To me, something that improves the quality of a device, or makes an attempt to create a new method of doing something is an innovation. A touch/gesture based physical keyboard is, to me, an innovation. Something like a fingerprint scanner or heart rate monitor, is not.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 13:26 5

16. Rydsmith (Posts: 198; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)


1.) Once you get outside of the Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc... apps the deficiencies becomes very apparent. This is extremely true for any application that is demanding, especially games.

2.) No it does not. The price of a Blackberry Z3 is about $250; while the Moto G can be had for $180, Moto E for $120, Desire 610 is $200, and Lumia ~$100. With the Blackberry Z3 the buyer is literally paying more for less; less support, less applications, and in the case of the Moto and Lumia a worse camera (jury is still out on the Desire).

Also the Z3 is not aimed at the Prosumer...as Blackberry is not established in the enterprise industry of the developing nations. In fact, a lot of this goes to Microsoft due to the significant cost server maintenance which Microsoft can easily assist with due to cross licensing between Microsoft Applications and Sever Assistance.

4.) All of those are gimmicks. You are taking a subjective stance of innovation which it is not. If we are going to say that it improves the quality of the device, then I feel the Samsung is innovation because TouchWiz improves the quality of Android (again this is subjective but one could argue this). This is far from the case because TouchWiz is just a bunch of gimmicks slapped on top of Android.

Innovation would be the curved lens that Sony just created that allows for improved and smaller cameras in phones. This is huge as it changes the industry; a keyboard adding something that may or may not be useful, that is not innovation.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 13:58 2

23. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


"Once you get outside of the Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc... apps the deficiencies becomes very apparent. This is extremely true for any application that is demanding, especially games."

1) Have you ever used a BlackBerry 10 device before? If you had, then you would know that BB10 plays games very well on their devices. And again, running Android apps SECURELY is only a plus for BlackBerry, no matter how you slice it.
"No it does not. The price of a Blackberry Z3 is about $250; while the Moto G can be had for $180, Moto E for $120, Desire 610 is $200, and Lumia ~$100. With the Blackberry Z3 the buyer is literally paying more for less; less support, less applications, and in the case of the Moto and Lumia a worse camera (jury is still out on the Desire)."

2) The BlackBerry Z3 is competitively priced for the markets it's in. One could argue that the slightly higher price tag is due to better build quality. How are you paying more for less when you can literally have 3 or more app stores on your Z3? I have 3 app stores, all running fine, on my BB10 devices. And BlackBerry support is GREAT! And I'm sorry, but low end Lumias and Motorola phones have sub par cameras at best. I own a Lumia 521 and the camera flat out SUCKS. So did the camera on my midrange Lumia 810. True, the Z3 is aimed at the consumer, but so what? Did Apple, a CONSUMER COMPANY, not just make a deal with IBM so Apple can better compete in ENTERPRISE? Hypocrisy, much?

"All of those are gimmicks. You are taking a subjective stance of innovation which it is not. If we are going to say that it improves the quality of the device, then I feel the Samsung is innovation because TouchWiz improves the quality of Android (again this is subjective but one could argue this). This is far from the case because TouchWiz is just a bunch of gimmicks slapped on top of Android."

3) You are also taking a subjective stance when it comes to innovation. Is your saying that the keyboard on the Passport is not innovative any LESS SUBJECTIVE? What you say is a "gimmick", others look at as innovation. Respect others opinion.

You saying that the keyboard on the Passport is not innovative is wrong. How could a PHYSICAL KEYBOARD, that ALSO FUNCTIONS as a CAPACITIVE TOUCHSCREEN KEYBOARD, therefore enabling BlackBerry to implement its "flick" gestures on it not be innovative? AND it functions as a MOUSE as well? AND it adds needed punctuation and symbols on-screen when necessary? That is INNOVATION, any way you slice it.

posted on 20 Jul 2014, 01:30

65. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)


That's right. In developing nation, BB is not associated with enterprise industry. In developong nation, BB is associated with CHEAP and FREE SMS (actually free messaging service / BBM). This is what bb addict, meanestgenius can't understand.

posted on 20 Jul 2014, 13:09 2

73. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


First:

In DEVELOPING NATIONS, ALL mobile phones are CHEAP and offer something for FREE. How else do you expect to sell phones in places where the average consumer doesn't have the money to purchase an expensive phone? The inexpensive(cheap)Androids and low end WP's are ALL SOLD IN DEVELOPING NATIONS. Thats why Apple finds it hard to compete there. They won't lower their prices enough.

Second: What YOU don't understand is that you're a TROLL. You come on PA simply to bash ANYTHING that's not Android or iOS. You do the same thing on WP articles.

Try again, loser.

posted on 20 Jul 2014, 01:27

64. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)


BB will always will be having a problem running an android apps. Don't be surprise if you were happy with some apps, or games, then suddenly, the apps is not work at all after upgrade. The problem with bb and android aps were, bb were always playing catching up with android. and since it's not OFFICIALLY supported by Google/Android, it will have a sh!ty compatibility.

posted on 20 Jul 2014, 14:17 2

77. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Sh!tty compatibility and yet as of 10.3 the Android runtime will be compatible with Android 4.4, to be updated to the next version of Android a few months after that.....but don't let the TRUTH interrupt a good LIE, Wahy...

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 13:39 4

19. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Rydsmith, I call anyone a TROLL that TROLLS articles on any website. If you don't know what a TROLL is, look it up and then get back to me.

BlackBerry 10 can run 98% of all Android apps. Only the ones with Google services tied in are exempt. Yes, BlackBerry 10 is missing apps natively, but the ability to run Android apps makes up for that. This phone will sell because of its innovations. There is high consumer and media interest in this phone. Have a look:

http://blogs.blackberry.com/2014/07/blackberry-passport-previews-ignite-consumer-interest/

BlackBerry does not have an identity crisis. They are primarily focused on enterprise and regulated industries..."prosumers". That has always been BlackBerry's bread and butter. BlackBerry also supporting those consumers that wish to purchase and use a BlackBerry device is not an "identity crisis". It's BlackBerry supporting its user base. Is there something wrong with that? Your statement also implies that Google, Microsoft and Apple must also have "identity crises" then, as they are CONSUMER companies pushing hard into enterprise.

You saying the Passport is gimmicky also implies that any innovation is a gimmick. I guess Samsung's heart rate monitor is a gimmick, Apple's fingerprint scanner is a gimmick, and Microsoft's Lumia with a 41 meg. camera is a gimmick.

No one claimed anything about the Passport was "earth shattering". Where did you get that ASSumption from? But it is an innovation nonetheless, and that along with its design is a differentiating factor from the "me too", "tastes like chicken" sea of devices that currently saturate the market.

And a TROLL is someone that logs into a specific article, offers nothing of substance and CONSTANTLY bashes said products. When you have over 600 posts all bashing BlackBerry, even on articles about Android or WP for iOS that have NOTHING TO DO WITH BLACKBERRY, then you're TROLLING. I trust you can see the difference.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 13:50 4

22. Rydsmith (Posts: 198; Member since: 20 Jun 2012)


I do not disagree with BlackBerry being able to run Android apps, but the question is whether it runs them well and that is an area where they need improvement. Yes 10.2 has dramatically improved this but not enough.

Also, if I'm going to just be running android apps on my phone, why not just buy an Android phone? With Samsung pretty much handing Knox to Google (which has been certified to be effective enough that even the DOJ and the Pentagon have approved devices running them) one of the competencies of BlackBerry has been threatened.

Lastly, yes the heart rate monitor and the fingerprint scanner and camera are all gimmicks. They are differentiating factors between the phones, but add little to the overall product.

And no Google, Apple, and Microsoft do not have an identity crisis as BlackBerry. BlackBerry has burned through cash reserves trying to maintain or establish their niche (also know as a narrow differentiation strategy). The other three have what is know as a wide differentiation strategy where they offer a wealth of products within the technology sphere. They know what they want and how to get there.

Out of those Microsoft would be the one that I would say is having issues as notes with Windows 8.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 14:11 3

26. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


"I do not disagree with BlackBerry being able to run Android apps, but the question is whether it runs them well and that is an area where they need improvement. Yes 10.2 has dramatically improved this but not enough."

That's why there are UPDATES, my friend. EVEN ANDROID doesn't run ANDROID apps all that well all of the time. ESPECIALLY on low end hardware.

"Also, if I'm going to just be running android apps on my phone, why not just buy an Android phone? With Samsung pretty much handing Knox to Google (which has been certified to be effective enough that even the DOJ and the Pentagon have approved devices running them) one of the competencies of BlackBerry has been threatened."

One would purchase a BlackBerry for the better OS experience. I've owned a PLETHORA of Android devices and I find that BB10 runs much better, ESPECIALLY on lesser hardware. Can you imagine how much BETTER it will be on updated hardware? Also, Knox is a JOKE. NO ONE offers an end to end solution in enterprise and security like BlackBerry does. NO ONE. Google involved or not. BlackBerry is not threatened at all.


"And no Google, Apple, and Microsoft do not have an identity crisis as BlackBerry. BlackBerry has burned through cash reserves trying to maintain or establish their niche (also know as a narrow differentiation strategy). The other three have what is know as a wide differentiation strategy where they offer a wealth of products within the technology sphere. They know what they want and how to get there."

True, BlackBerry has burned through cash as PRIOR management has made tremendous errors. However, as of this past quarters ER, BlackBerry actually GREW CASH. They have 3.1 billion in cash reserves and NO DEBT. And with John Chen in charge, BlackBerry CLEARLY knows where to go and how to get there as well, as evident with the forthcoming BES 12, the leveraging of QNX in the healthcare sector and automotive, Project Ion, the monetization of BBM(stickers and channels is just the beginning), etc.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 16:11 2

33. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


Bb10 and BlackBerry imo seemed to be happy with just being a niche player now, I think worldwide thwy have less than windows phone which says it all. I've got nothing against BlackBerry or anything, I think people should use whatever they like but if you looking at bb objectively, to think bb will reach the market share they once had any time soon is very very unlikely. Sure blackberry may become or be popular in non consumer areas but in terms of just the mobile market where they are behind windows already they will remain a small player. The passport is a niche products, you ain't going to see many iPhone or galaxy users in millions drop there phone for this.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 19:06 2

54. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


You say if you look at BlackBerry objectively. Are you? Or are you just falling in line with the rest? Honest question here.

BlackBerry's main focus is enterprise. That's where this device will have the bulk of its sales. John Chen is not really interested in focusing BlackBerry to be a consumer company. Can you blame him? Enterprise is BlackBerry's bread and butter. Better they focus there, where they have more sales than anyone else. They own 62% of the enterprise market. Wouldn't you focus there also?

They only need to be a niche player in the consumer market. What's wrong with that? The Passport will sell in its intended market: Enterprise.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 19:18

55. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


I think thats exactly what I said that bb are happy to be a niche player in the consumer market and thwy most likely will remain that for the near future. Your right they are more focused on enterprise but that's not really out of choice but that's whats helping them right now so why not focus there. When bb were popular with mass consumers they concentrated a lot there too but now not anymore they have changed there effort manly on enterprise.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 19:44 2

58. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


And enterprise is the best way for them to go. BlackBerry lost their way when they came into the consumer market in the first place, IMO.

Glad you and I could have a civilized conversation here on PA.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 21:35 1

60. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


Yep very true, they were very strong without the consumer market, I think they got into the consumer market accidently and as you said they lost focus. Chen seems to be going back to the root of their success which is good and I think they plan to be the back end service for phones in the future. Wouldn't be surprised if they offer backend services that a secure for android etc. Hey I get nothing from being biased towards any company, they could give a toss about us so am not going to waste my time defending a company or a phone unless there's a legit reason. I don't get why some people including the tech sites want to see Bb burn or disappear.

posted on 22 Jul 2014, 23:32

82. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)


taz89,

I don't know where you live, but here, in Indonesia, BB is NOT associated with enterprise. BB is associated with CHEAP MESSAGING SYSTEM (BBM). Most bb sold in Indonesia (more than 50%) is black market imported, second hand, from other country. Priced around US$ 50 - 90. From store that sold brand new bb, the one most sold is around US$150. Not the top end. The reason is, because this people want to use BBM to CHAT FREELY (Cheaply) with their fellow family.

So, it's NOT enterprise. In Indonesia and other developing nation such as south africa. The driving force for BB is CHEAP internet plan for BBM. and meanestgenius is a bb adict who can't accept this. He keep forcing other to think that BB still successfull in enterprise. I don't know in other place such as USA or canada. Maybe in USA bb still use in enterprise. But I know in Indonesia and south africe, two place that BB said that BB is dominant, BB is FAILED in enterprise.

posted on 23 Jul 2014, 03:05

83. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Wahy,

You're putting you're own spin on the truth, as usual. BlackBerry is associated with ENTERPRISE worldwide, including in Indonesia. ALL devices sold to consumers in Indonesia and South Africa are sold relatively inexpensive. Not just BlackBerry's. Android devices, WP, etc. are all relatively inexpensive, or "cheap". For you you to say that it's just BlackBerry is a falsehood. I don't know what your obsession is over BlackBerry, but it's bordering on madness now. EVERY BlackBerry article that PA puts up, you have something negative to say about BlackBerry. Almost 700 posts, all NEGATIVE about BlackBerry. That is very indicative of an obsession over BlackBerry.

And for the record, BlackBerry has a HUGE presence in South Africa. Their market share their is virtually unchallenged. I've posted links to this effect before. Please stop seeding PA with misinformation. It's getting pathetic now.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 18:02 2

43. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Talking about reports about potential consumers interest in BlackBerry - BlackBerry is biased so it is worthless to read something from BlackBerry's blog! I don't expect that BlackBerry will say opposite. Of course BlackBerry want us to believe that it will be popular, successful and so on - it is also known as marketing which tries to spread the hype.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 18:44 3

46. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Can you read? The excerpts from that blog were taken from OTHER sites. Doesn't make a difference if YOU don't believe. That mere fact that it is a FACT makes it the truth.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 17:39 2

39. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Don't pay attention, "meanestgenius" is just a poor BlackBerry's fanboy who is desperately trying to spread a hype about BlackBerry and insult anyone who has different opinion than his own.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 18:49 2

47. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Readers should not pay attention to a TROLL like you, Phoney. They should instead check it out for themselves and make their own opinion. I don't insult anyone here on PA. Anyone can track my history of posts and see that I ONLY insult once I've been insulted or called out of name or attacked. You seem to be the one that goes out of your way to log into a BlackBerry article and comment negatively at every chance you get. If you don't like it, why waste your time even commenting or reading the article? Move on let those that enjoy BlackBerry do just that. You and the other trolls seem to have a real stick up your @$$*$ with anyone that likes BlackBerry.

posted on 20 Jul 2014, 01:23

63. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)


meanestgenius is a kid who can't appreciate other's opinion. A troll, is someone who see's other opinion that doesn't match his opinion, and got angry and calling names.

you (Rydsmith) is not a troll, it's just someone that don't like bb, like the rest of the world. and meanestgenius, is not a troll, it just someone who like bb.

But when meanestgenius is calling names, and bashing others that have different opinion than him, THAT'S A TROLL

posted on 20 Jul 2014, 12:52 1

70. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


I'm the kid and yet you're still living with mommy and daddy getting tucked in and read bedtime stories every night? Please...

I don't insult or call names unless insulted or called names FIRST. Do you need me to put up that post where you insulted me first by trying to say I was unemployed?

You clearly don't know what the word "troll" means. But most trolls(read: YOU)ALWAYS say that they're not trolls.

posted on 20 Jul 2014, 19:40 1

78. ablopez (Posts: 184; Member since: 15 Apr 2014)


Wahyu,
He's not a troll. Check out his conversation with taz89. See the difference between taz's posts and yours. If you look at them objectively, you will see that you are the troll here on the Blackberry articles.

I'm starting to realize you're not that stupid and blind. Anyone can read and understand MG's posts, but your posts show that you're here just to cause trouble.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 17:35

36. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


Wahuwishnu, should be here anytime...?

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 17:56 1

42. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


it is doesn't matter how hard you are spreading this BlackBerry propaganda, the fact is that BlackBerry is no more interesting for many people and already lost market. Now swallow this fact and deal with it! ;)

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 18:52 2

49. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


It doesn't matter how much you spread your hate for BlackBerry. Those that like it will buy it despite your BS. Deal with it!

posted on 20 Jul 2014, 19:43 1

79. ablopez (Posts: 184; Member since: 15 Apr 2014)


How is he spreading Blackberry propaganda when he's simply posting on Blackberry articles? If anything, you and Wahyu are the ones spreading negative propaganda on Blackberry, considering that you guys specifically post only on every Blackberry article.

Please, learn the meaning of troll. Also, I sincerely hope that one day you guys will realize that spreading your hate here on BB articles isn't going to change the minds of anyone reading these BB articles, so really, what's the point of spreading your propaganda?

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 12:34 5

3. Zeeya (Posts: 218; Member since: 17 Mar 2013)


Buying one and already counting the days... love this device. Just a little bit disappointed about the SD800.. was hoping for 801.. but never mind ... still awesome phone!!!

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 12:44 5

5. jellmoo (Posts: 704; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)


The more I see the Passport, the more interested I become. It's shot past both the iPhone 6 and the Note 4 in terms of my desire to try one out.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 12:49 1

6. iCloud (Posts: 38; Member since: 15 May 2014)


Looks like LG Intuition...

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 13:07 1

13. Bondurant (Posts: 155; Member since: 04 Jun 2014)


Brilliant. Hope Blackberry has patented ever bit of it and not let Apple, Samsung and buddys create copys.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 14:00

24. gehrig (Posts: 202; Member since: 17 Apr 2014)


The iPhone 6S, the S is for sqaure.

the Samsung Galaxy Sqaure to replace the Note line

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 13:30

17. gehrig (Posts: 202; Member since: 17 Apr 2014)


Very nice! I like the build quality and the keyboard looks like it's really fun to try out, I can't wait.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 13:32 3

18. Heatfan316 (Posts: 453; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


Why does BlackBerry always do this? Launch a phone with year old technology even though I know this device is going to fly with an sd800, it could be even faster with 805 which would help tremendously in gaming because this looks like an excellent gaming device!

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 14:17

28. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


How is the tech a year old? Because of the processor? You said it yourself, this device will fly with the sd800. BB10 is not resource hungry, and therefore works better on lesser hardware than Androids do.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 14:29 1

29. jibraihimi (Posts: 695; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


Because they are going to charge arms and legs for it, so if they are going to ask for flagship price, then why not assemble it as true flagship, because by the time it will be released most of the flagship phones will be coming out with SD805, and people will definitely pay for complete and latest package, not for some features here and there...... It would have been better if blackberry starts to release phones with latest processors and not with last year's processor............ I know you are rooting for them, but when it will get released you will feel, Galaxy note 4, or iphone 6 normal and max., or Lumia 1820, or Xperia Z3 is more better product than this overall, and you will go for any one them, and same will be the case with most of the users..... They all want phones which they can flaunt for atleast 1 year if not 2.......

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 15:17

32. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Again, BB10 doesn't need to be uber spec'd to run flawlessly. Only Androids do. You think the new iPhone is going to be uber spec'd? Think again. As long as their is true innovation in this handse, it will sell. But it will sell more in enterprise and regulated industries than in the consumer market. That's what consumers and average Joe's that judge BlackBerry need to start to look at, and stop trying to relate BlackBerry with the consumer phone market so much. You all need to broaden your aspects a little. And for the record: I would never buy another Android handset again. Definitely not iOS and I'm not a huge fan WP, even though I like it better than Android and iOS. The Passport is a phone I could definitely see myself flaunting for a couple years, ESPECIALLY if it will outdue it's competition in terms of operation, like BB10 does now. I don't care for uber specs. Neither do most BlackBerry users. As long as the OS functions faster than the competitions, we don't have to, either.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 18:55 1

50. TerryTerius (Posts: 76; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)


I get you're a blackberry fan, but you're kind of missing the point.

Blackberry is already having problems making even negligible sales and giving the general populace the perception that their products aren't sporting top of the line, current specs and unique features does NOTHING to help with that. It doesn't matter if it runs flawlessly if the average consumer feels like they're not getting equivalent specs to another flagship on a more widely used OS because perception trumps reality for the average person. Even if they don't know what the actual differences in the silicon are, chances are they'll go with whatever is newer. Remember, a purchase is just as much emotional and influenced by subtle psychology as it is rational.

If BB wants to run a flagship phone and charge the same prices as Samsung, Apple, Sony, HTC, LG etc, then they have to have the total package. Top of the line specs, interesting design and immediately noticeable differentiating features. A sparkly new keyboard isn't going to sway an Andriod or iOS user to switch to an entirely different OS no matter how amazing it is. No matter how useful the heart rate monitor on the SGS5 may or not be, how necessary the speakers on the HTC One truly are, or how useful the Fingerprint Scanner on the iPhone 5 and SGS5 really are, the point is that costumers can easily understand and immediately point to those features as differentiators. The same doesn't ring true of a keyboard that lets you scroll a little bit differently from normal. At least not as something you're relying on to really be a selling point of your product.

If your answer to blackberry's woes is "the consumer needs to be more open minded" then your'e kind of starting from a losing proposition. No company in the history of mankind has ever won over customers by saying 'you're wrong and closed minded" it'd be a horrible marketing ploy to do so. You can show how your products are superior or how much better their lives will be using your services versus another companies, but insulting the consumer is a no no.

The fact is, whether or not Blackberry wants to be perceived that way, they're competing in the consumer phone market. They pretty much have to anyway with so many companies moving to Windows, iOS and (kind of) android for their needs. I'm sure you'll dispute that, but the simple fact is that more and more companies are getting rid of their blackberry devices and contracts.

It's fine that YOU personally think BB is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but you're a fan of their products so you're starting from a position completely alien to the norm. That's not an insult to you or BB, just that the average consumer isn't a "fan" of any company. Ergo, you're nothing like the average consumer (n that regard) and you have to think from the standpoint of someone who knows NOTHING of BB and has no opinion aside from what they see and how they stack up against SS, Apple and the other giants.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 19:24

56. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


I get what you're trying to say, but you're missing MY point entirely.

"Blackberry is already having problems making even negligible sales and giving the general populace the perception that their products aren't sporting top of the line, current specs and unique features does NOTHING to help with that. It doesn't matter if it runs flawlessly if the average consumer feels like they're not getting equivalent specs to another flagship on a more widely used OS because perception trumps reality for the average person. Even if they don't know what the actual differences in the silicon are, chances are they'll go with whatever is newer. Remember, a purchase is just as much emotional and influenced by subtle psychology as it is rational."

I understand that point entirely. Society has a herd mentality. They follow who's in front. That is human nature. My point is:

1)There is genuine interest from consumers about this device. The "herd" mentality is beginning to change. Slowly, but surely. It's evident I Apple's drop in stock price. Its evident in the lower-than -expected S5 sales.

2) BlackBerry is gearing this device for the enterprise market, primarily. In enterprise, it will sell.

"If BB wants to run a flagship phone and charge the same prices as Samsung, Apple, Sony, HTC, LG etc, then they have to have the total package. Top of the line specs, interesting design and immediately noticeable differentiating features. A sparkly new keyboard isn't going to sway an Andriod or iOS user to switch to an entirely different OS no matter how amazing it is. No matter how useful the heart rate monitor on the SGS5 may or not be, how necessary the speakers on the HTC One truly are, or how useful the Fingerprint Scanner on the iPhone 5 and SGS5 really are, the point is that costumers can easily understand and immediately point to those features as differentiators. The same doesn't ring true of a keyboard that lets you scroll a little bit differently from normal. At least not as something you're relying on to really be a selling point of your product."

So the design of this phone isn't immediately noticeable? It looks far different from the rest. Your point on pricing is speculation at best, at this point. The device is months away from release. No price has been given. The keyboard is a MAJOR selling point for the target audience it's intended for, which is enterprise. I feel like I keep having to repeat myself on that point. BlackBerry really isn't a CONSUMER COMPANY. It's an ENTERPRISE COMPANY that DABBLES in the consumer market. Aside from handsets, ALL of BlackBerry's offerings are geared towards enterprise.

When have I ever said that "the consumer needs to be more open minded" is the answer for BlackBerry's trouble in the consumer market? I've ALWAYS said that BlackBerry should focus on ENTERPRISE. It's their bread and butter. It's where they make their money. It's what brought them to the table to begin with.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 19:41 1

57. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Due to some stupid limitation on PA, I am forced to continue this in a separate post:

BlackBerry LOST TRACK of what brought them to the table when they decided to play in the consumer market. It's just not their thing. I know this. So do BlackBerry fans. And so does John Chen. Why do you think he's taking the company back to its roots?

If BlackBerry left the consumer market tomorrow, I could care less. I would be HAPPY. It would mean that they have fully transitioned to the company that they are gearing up to be again. If you remember, BlackBerry's started out being sold to businesses first. As long as I could still get my hands on the latest BlackBerry device, so be it. Companies can get rid of their BlackBerry devices. No dispute there. But more and more companies are using BlackBerry's EMM solution to manage those non-BlackBerry devices. It's still a win for BlackBerry. They still are larger than their next 3 competitors COMBINED. Now you may try to dispute that, but it's an indisputable fact. There is a reason why the top companies in the world, and 16 of the G20 companies all are BlackBerry's customer. That's not changing anytime soon, if at all.

It's great that YOU may personally not like BlackBerry, but, from what I can tell, you're NOT a fan of their products so you too follow the "heard". And that's ok. I have never ONCE come on to PA and claimed "Everyone MUST love BlackBerry!" I am merely stating my OPINION, with some FACTS thrown in for good measure, and I get labeled as a "BB addict" for it. So be it. I'll be that. But what I WON'T be, what I flat out REFUSE to be, is a part of the "heard". I REFUSE to join the "me too" crowd. The only other set of "fans" that can identify with that are Windows Phone fans. I could care less what fans of other OS's think, however. Leave me to my BlackBerry as I leave them to their iOS and Androids.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 21:45

61. TerryTerius (Posts: 76; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)


1.) I'm pretty neutral to BB. I don't use their products, but I don't dislike them either. As far as your... "herd" comment I've had a Nokia Lumia 920, a SGS3, and now an HTC One M8, I don't have loyalty to any particular brand, just whoever (IMO) makes the best phone for my needs at the time. I'll be picking up either an iPhone 6, an LG G3 or Sony Xperia Z2 (3?) as my business phone in a few months if the successor to the Lumia 1020 and win 8.1 doesn't turn out to be as good as I hope it will. They're just another phone company as far as i'm concerned. If I somehow gave the impression i'm "anti blackberry" then that's my bad. I was giving the perspective i'd have about any struggling company attempting to make a run on the consumer phone market, especially in the high end. In this case, that's RIM.

2.) What I meant by competing in the flagship area was in reference to their past endeavors (the Z10 and Z30) which were priced like devices from the other manufacturers I mentioned, which given their position in the market wasn't exactly a smart move to make. Not in particular reference to this device. In the case of this phone, I won't dispute that it has a... distinct design. But my statement about it having to have the TOTAL package, still stands. And Given that it does not seem like this device is being SPECIFICALLY aimed at the "prosumer" set right now, i'm making the assumption they're going for the general populace. In that case, then no, no keyboard no matter how amazeballs it is will cut it.

3.) Ah, when I went back I misread your statements. When you said "you all need to broaden your aspects" and "consumer phone market" I mistakenly combined that to mean you were referring to consumers directly. That's TOTALLY my bad, didn't realize you were talking about PA commenters at the time smh.

4.) I didn't say you were a "BB addict" just that you're a fan of Blackberry. It's not derogatory to be a fan, but fans of any device are going to be abnormal to the populace by definition. If you want to take that as an insult, that's fine I suppose. But I meant that as a matter of the nature of how you presented yourself. There's nothing wrong with liking the way any particular company does things, that's called preference. If you like BB, that's fine too, but I can't help but think it makes you at least somewhat biased when it comes to subjects related to them.

5.) I won't dispute that, but BB is still pretty obviously focusing on making itself as major a presence on the hardware side of things as they can. If they focused more on their software offerings i'd be all for it, I personally think trying to compete with the android OEM's and Apple in the hardware space, even for enterprise, is doomed in the long run. If they concentrated more singularly on their strengths, they'd have a better chance of staving off the growing threat of Apple and Android in their one-time safe domain. But that's just my take away from following the trend lines.

posted on 20 Jul 2014, 13:31 1

74. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


1.) I'm pretty neutral to BB. I don't use their products, but I don't dislike them either. As far as your... "herd" comment I've had a Nokia Lumia 920, a SGS3, and now an HTC One M8, I don't have loyalty to any particular brand, just whoever (IMO) makes the best phone for my needs at the time. I'll be picking up either an iPhone 6, an LG G3 or Sony Xperia Z2 (3?) as my business phone in a few months if the successor to the Lumia 1020 and win 8.1 doesn't turn out to be as good as I hope it will. They're just another phone company as far as i'm concerned. If I somehow gave the impression i'm "anti blackberry" then that's my bad. I was giving the perspective i'd have about any struggling company attempting to make a run on the consumer phone market, especially in the high end. In this case, that's RIM.

A) I'm pretty much OS agnostic also, though many may find that hard to believe with the way I support BlackBerry(Its BlackBerry now, not RIM. They changed the name when Thorstein Heinz was still in charge, over a year ago). I have owned every Galaxy S phone up until the 4, I've had every iPhone up until the 4s, the HTC Evo, Evo 3D, Evo Shift, HTC HD2, Lumias 710, 810, 900, and 925. I've owned half a dozen WM phones, and about a dozen Symbian phones, including the Nokia N8 and the last Symbian phone ever: the Nokia 808 Pureview. I currently own a BlackBerry Z3 and Q10, as well as a Lumia 925, Amazon Kindle HDX, and the Dell Venue 8 Pro. I've also owned a number of BlackBerry OS devices, including the Torch 9810 and the Bold 9900. I have nothing against any OS. ALL have their pros and cons. I just PREFER BlackBerry 10.

2.) What I meant by competing in the flagship area was in reference to their past endeavors (the Z10 and Z30) which were priced like devices from the other manufacturers I mentioned, which given their position in the market wasn't exactly a smart move to make. Not in particular reference to this device. In the case of this phone, I won't dispute that it has a... distinct design. But my statement about it having to have the TOTAL package, still stands. And Given that it does not seem like this device is being SPECIFICALLY aimed at the "prosumer" set right now, i'm making the assumption they're going for the general populace. In that case, then no, no keyboard no matter how amazeballs it is will cut it.

B) Even I think BlackBerry should have lowered the starting prices on the Z10 and the Z30, given their position in the market. However, I think when it comes to pricing NOW, BlackBerry has a better handle on it. I say this because of the competitively priced Z3, which seems to be selling well for BlackBerry. I hope by TOTAL PACKAGE you also mean performance, because the Z30 simply beats the handsets in its price range, hands down. There have been many comparison reviews on the web that have stated this. John Chen has stated that the Passport and the Classic are both aimed at the enterprise market and regulated industries.

posted on 20 Jul 2014, 13:58 1

75. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Continued from "B" in my previous post:

Now, will we see the Passport and Classic make it to the consumer market? Of course. BlackBerry still has fans there, believe it or not. But INTENDED audience for these devices is the regulated industries...the "prosumers".
4.) I didn't say you were a "BB addict" just that you're a fan of Blackberry. It's not derogatory to be a fan, but fans of any device are going to be abnormal to the populace by definition. If you want to take that as an insult, that's fine I suppose. But I meant that as a matter of the nature of how you presented yourself. There's nothing wrong with liking the way any particular company does things, that's called preference. If you like BB, that's fine too, but I can't help but think it makes you at least somewhat biased when it comes to subjects related to them.

Do you like your HTC One M8? If someone said that it was a crap phone and you pointed out reasons as to why it's not, does that mean your blind to any faults the M8 may or may not have, or does that mean you simply pointed out what's good about the phone? All I do is present the POSITIVE things about BlackBerry here on PA. There are MORE THAN ENOUGH "negative Nancy's" here on PA that are all too happy to point out any faults BlackBerry may have. I am WELL AWARE of BlackBerry's faults. I CHOOSE to us a BlackBerry anyway, just like you choose to use an HTC One.

"I won't dispute that, but BB is still pretty obviously focusing on making itself as major a presence on the hardware side of things as they can. If they focused more on their software offerings i'd be all for it, I personally think trying to compete with the android OEM's and Apple in the hardware space, even for enterprise, is doomed in the long run. If they concentrated more singularly on their strengths, they'd have a better chance of staving off the growing threat of Apple and Android in their one-time safe domain. But that's just my take away from following the trend lines."

I respectfully disagree with your first sentence. I think that BlackBerry under John Chen is keeping the hardware going just enough to make loyal BlackBerry users happy. John Chen himself even stated that he is not trying to sell to NEW customers. He is trying to sell to his CURRENT installed user base, which is still pretty big. They ARE focusing more on their software offerings, as evident in the focus on EMM, MDM, BES 10 and 12, BBM, QNX, Project Ion and IoT. BlackBerry is pushing their software and services to the forefront, that's why they are pushing BES so hard. They are not trying to compete with Android(read: Samsung)and Apple in hardware sales. Who can currently do that? John Chen knows this, that's why he is focusing on MAINTAINING his customer base and DOMINANT lead in enterprise FIRST, and THEN gathering new clients / customers. They are larger than their next 3 competitors competitors COMBINED in enterprise.

posted on 20 Jul 2014, 14:07 1

76. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Continued from previous post:

BlackBerry being larger than there next 3 competitors combined is not an easy feat, yet BlackBerry continues to maintain this dominance, even in the "condition" that they're in. Even with the march of Google and Apple into enterprise(Apple has been trying for years with mixed results), BlackBerry will be able to maintain their position of dominance. Neither company offers the end to end solution that BlackBerry does.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 18:04 1

44. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5498; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


"...this looks like an excellent gaming device!"

I don't think that it looks like an excellent gaming device since it ha ONLY 4.5 inches display. And probably many Android games won't run at all or will be lagging on BlackBerry OS.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 18:50 1

48. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


That's your problem. You don't think. Too much talking out of the other end of your body.

posted on 20 Jul 2014, 01:35

66. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)


It's true. BB OS 10 won't support the all the OpenGL ES 3.0 and the new Google Games extension API.

posted on 20 Jul 2014, 13:01 1

71. meanestgenius (Posts: 2218; Member since: 28 May 2014)


So you say BB10 WON'T SUPPORT OpenGL ES 3.0?

OpenGL ES 3.0
Supported by:

Android since version 4.3, on devices with appropriate hardware and drivers, including:
Nexus 7 (2013)
Nexus 4
Nexus 5
Nexus 10
HTC Butterfly S
HTC One/One Max
LG G2
LG G Pad 8.3
Samsung Galaxy S4 (Snapdragon version)
Samsung Galaxy Note 3
Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 Edition)
Sony Xperia Z/ZL
Sony Xperia Z1
Sony Xperia Z Ultra
Sony Xperia Tablet Z
iOS since version 7, on devices including:
iPhone 5S[23]
iPad Air
iPad mini with Retina display
BlackBerry
BlackBerry 10 OS version 10.2 in BlackBerry Z30.

Note that BlackBerry 10 devices running 10.2 support this(read:ALL BB10 models are currently on 10.2.). I got this information from here:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL_ES

My apologies for interrupting your LIES with the TRUTH, TROLL.

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 13:44 1

21. TechDork (Posts: 244; Member since: 10 May 2010)


It's ridiculously square...........

posted on 19 Jul 2014, 16:45 1

35. ArtSim98 (Posts: 3319; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)


That's the point...........

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