BlackBerry CEO John Chen shows off the BlackBerry Passport and the BlackBerry Classic
0. phoneArena 20 Jun 2014, 00:45 posted on
Eagerly awaited BlackBerry phones might sound like an oxymoron, but there are two top-shelf models coming from the manufacturer that have smartphone fans excited. The newly named BlackBerry Passport (formerly the BlackBerry Windermere) could be the flagship phone that turns things around for the company. Expected to hit the market with a 4+ inch screen and a 1440 x 1440 resolution, a quad-core Snapdragon 800 CPU is believed to be under the hood...
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1. fzacek (Posts: 1880; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)
I kinda feel sorry for the poor guy. He's so enthusiastic about these products yet nobody will buy them...
6. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
jc need to use his poker face. he will be playing the god of gambler 5 after bb bankrupt.
20. dangchitrung (Posts: 57; Member since: 04 Apr 2012)
I am sure that most geeks will pay much attention to those. Because it is BB's "passport" to perdition.
28. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6580; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
All this guy cares bout is his pay check
52. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
but he has the golden parachute, just like s. elop
33. meanestgenius (Posts: 1499; Member since: 28 May 2014)
I feel sorry for all of you haters and trolls. BlackBerry posts a good quarter and you guys STILL have something negative to say. You all really need to find something better to do with your time.
44. Crispin_Gatieza (Posts: 142; Member since: 23 Jan 2014)
I would advise them to get laid but I would feel bad for the partner. Someone needs to take one for the team I guess.
2. FingerMyApple (unregistered)
the design shaped like coffins, really suits bb indeed :)
51. DONUT (Posts: 307; Member since: 27 Jun 2013)
every bloody phone is rectangle shaped, like a coffin. even ur beloved iPhone is rectangle shaped. get your head out of ur a$$
3. Duketytz (Posts: 496; Member since: 28 Nov 2013)
He seems like he's losing some hair, probably the stress from the company he's running.
4. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3418; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Beautiful. BB will not gain more than 15% marketshare anymore, but they are still needed in enterprises. Recently my uncle's workplace with 530 execs. including him got new Z10s and Q10s.
5. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3418; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Geez, I messed up, what a poor sentenced comment..... Hope everyone comprehends it.
7. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
poor your uncle... If my company give us bb z10, we all will be marching outside, and ask the IT guys to be fired....
10. ablopez (Posts: 161; Member since: 15 Apr 2014)
He was right... you have commented SO MUCH in the last hour or so on VARIOUS Blackberry articles. You really do comment A LOT for someone who hates Blackberry so much. All you've been doing is repeating yourself over and over and over again. It's getting old. It's very tiring. It's very annoying. And your broken English is very hard to read. Please stop already.
12. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
please DON'T BE RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
my name is WAHYU WISNU.
and i only start learning english in high school, and university only.
18. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3418; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
See there's nothing wrong with ESL or poor english. But if you dont know how to argue in decent English, then stop that hating and trolling BB everytime.
26. Ashoaib (Posts: 2282; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
wahooyahoo is not racist, its amusing... tell me since when pronouncing wrong name is racism??? I think you need little learning and grooming before joining any discussion based forum... and plz stop cursing bb, I dont like bb myself but I am in high praise of john chen or jackie chen(hey! dont call me racist, han?)
53. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
he's racist because he comment on my english quality
62. Ashoaib (Posts: 2282; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
thats his arrogance to point out your quality of english... your english is perfect and by the way I like your name, its very interesting... wahooyahoo... yuhuuuu.. yeeehaaa :p
63. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
my name is not common, even in my country. lol
70. meanestgenius (Posts: 1499; Member since: 28 May 2014)
That's not being racist, Wahy. Your English IS POOR. That's a FACT.
72. ablopez (Posts: 161; Member since: 15 Apr 2014)
I'm not racist, and I'm also Asian. How did you find my comment racist? I am just very annoyed at your lack of respect for BB users and the company, not to mention your broken English. To me, continuing to argue with broken English just makes you look like a pompous douchebag.
There are many of us who are hoping and expecting for BB to survive and thrive. I don't know why you say you don't hate the company, and yet you are wishing and predicting their demise. Your predictions are your opinion, and apparently they are not respected from someone like you. It might be a different story though if you actually claimed to use a BB10 phone for a period of time. But you've never done that.
73. meanestgenius (Posts: 1499; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Excellent response, ablopez! I'm glad that you continue to check this ignorant soul whenever and wherever possible. Kudos to you, my friend.
74. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
So you would prefer candy coated fake news and temporary moral boast? Get a life, your wishing not come true. No matter how strong your wish were, bb would still dead if they don't realize that their phone is not as appealing as it used to be.
You might not like what I say in my broken english, but that doesn't make my statement any less true. I know the true is hard to swallow, but (your) wishing can't make a different.
to me, bb is like a person with a deadly cancer. I speak the truth that bb only have 8 quarters left. You don't like it, and go to other doctor (not genius doctor / fake doctor) that said, bb will be cured in 2 quarters and have kids and grand kids... you wish bb to be cured, and you believe the fake doctor. but your wish will not making bb cured. in fact, your clouded judgment will hurt bb in the long run.
PS: saying "don't talk, your english is bad... is racist!!"
75. meanestgenius (Posts: 1499; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Saying "don't talk, your English is bad" is not racist. It's a FACT. Your English is HORRIBLE.
As far as your WISHFUL THINKING about BlackBerry goes:
You have been CONTINUOUSLY proved WRONG about BlackBerry. You said they would do bad this quarter, and they didn't. They did good. But you keep on saying that "BlackBerry is doomed". I'm lmao every time you post and I shut you down with FACTS.
34. meanestgenius (Posts: 1499; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Hey! WahooWaheho! I was wondering when you would come trolling around! So, as I said BlackBerry posted a good quarter. Doesn't seem like they will be going out of business any time soon! Are you ready to EAT YOUR WORDS like we agreed upon?
13. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
If you read my post, you'll know I don't hate bb. I just stating that no one want bb, and bb will go bankrupt very fast.
25. Ashoaib (Posts: 2282; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
i want bb, now tell me how no one want bb? this guy chen is putting his efforts to bring good products which can appeal end users... learn to appreciate the effort instead of start running your mouth while sitting on your ass...
35. meanestgenius (Posts: 1499; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Yes, you DO hate BlackBerry. You troll every BlackBerry article that PA puts up and always have something negative to say, usually a boat load of lies. I want BlackBerry also. And apparently, so do millions of others. And how is BlackBerry going to bankrupt when they ended the quarter with MORE MONEY in the bank than last quarter, Wahahee? Either your math is really bad, or you just like to keep spewing lies. I'd say both.
16. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3418; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
Spoiler: His Z10 is awesome. The BB10 OS is innovative and the keyboard is among the best, next to swype and swiftkey.
30. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5859; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
In my company, the IT guys wouldn't even think of spec-ing BB, 'cause they would be fired for just suggesting BBs. The CEO would have nothing to do with a BB, and won't make their employees have to suffer with a BB either.
32. berry889 (Posts: 23; Member since: 01 Apr 2013)
for sure this guy/gal is indonesian judging by his/her name.....
55. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
yes i am berry.
emang betul, gitu loh
fotomu ciamik banget
11. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
btw... i just want to fix the stats...
bb will not gain more than 15%???
with bb phone sales down each quarter. I think it would be more suitable to say that bb will not gain more than 0.5% marketshare anymore after 2015.
36. meanestgenius (Posts: 1499; Member since: 28 May 2014)
BlackBerry market share in the CONSUMER market will climb higher than that. Wasn't it you and the other haters that was saying BlackBerry would have a bad quarter? Look what happened: There quarter was better than the last! And for the UMPTEENTH time: John Chens focus for BlackBerry is the ENTERPRISE MARKET, not the CONSUMER MARKET. If he is a niche player in the consumer market, so what? He wants BlackBerry to CONTINUE to be the dominant player in the ENTERPRISE MARKET. You have been so WRONG about everything you have been saying about BlackBerry. Don't you think it's time you give it a rest?
43. meanestgenius (Posts: 1499; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Uh, what? Do I know you? And that's not my name either.
24. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 860; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
I can see why he got Z10s, they are dirt cheap(200 euros unlocked lol), a massive retailer from where i'm from is still selling S3s at a higher price than Z10s(240 unlocked), i asked why the price difference and they said because they barely sold any Z10 and the S3 is a good seller.
27. Ashoaib (Posts: 2282; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
200euros?? gosh thats expensive.... in my town it was 150euros and I purchased 3 z10 and gifted to my friend and family
56. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
but you use huawei, and want oneplus, zte, oppo, samsung, vivo, and another samsung?? and used to have nokia, samsung, lg, sony ericson, and apple? no bb phone but purchased 3 z10? you must be hatting your friend and family... lol.
i went to second hand mall today in jakarta/indonesia (roxy mas), and see the second hand z10 is priced around 1.4 million rupiah (US$115).
8. Desmortibus (Posts: 58; Member since: 04 Apr 2014)
The Passport might be the best business/productivity phone ever made. Its "ugliness" comes from the fact that there has never been a design like this... it seems to be extremely well built with stainless steel frame. It's going to be hard, extremely hard, for Blackberry to reclaim its former glory, especially among business minded people. But, once again, this is very likely the best design for business minded people in search of productivity regardless of gaming or entertainment use. When I manage to get used to its disconcerting look, I might consider getting one.
14. DerryAhmad (Posts: 245; Member since: 05 May 2012)
The Passport's render picture looked ugly, but I changed my mind after seeing J.Chen's hands on pic of the Passport. It looks very sleek and sturdy.
I really hope they'll price these two right.
9. DerryAhmad (Posts: 245; Member since: 05 May 2012)
Looks great. Very business oriented looking. I'm more curious about the Passport.
15. alumoyo (Posts: 211; Member since: 26 Aug 2013)
Sorry Mr Chen - you've been had. They asked for the "Bold" sure, but the're not ACTUALLY gonna buy!
57. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
JC as drunk as the dynamic duo of bb (the 2 of co-ceo of bb)
71. meanestgenius (Posts: 1499; Member since: 28 May 2014)
JC is LIGHT YEARS BETTER than those two bozos. More PROOF that you are just biased against all things BlackBerry.
17. farrid (Posts: 3; Member since: 20 Jun 2014)
Was really hoping for a bee more upgraded Z30 type phone. If they want to hit both business and public sectors which id's smart, they should have made one to compete with the GS5 and LG G3 still phones
19. DerryAhmad (Posts: 245; Member since: 05 May 2012)
I think they're going for the "mass" this time.
Blackberry stronghold are Canada, Middle East, South Africa/America and SE Asia.
The Z3 is their Lumia 520 (affordable phone) equivalent to attract more mass especially in developing countries.
While the PassPort and Classic are flagships (with Classic could be mid-high end) for the North America/Europe market and the rest of the world.
The competition for the Flagship/High End market is really tight, with all the major OEMs going full out - Apple (iPhone 5s/6), Samsung (GS5), LG (G3), Sony (Z2), HTC (One M8), etc. yet only Apple and Samsung (and possibly LG) reap success with their Flagships.
Other OEMs barely survive (some even successful) with offering budget/affordable phones. Markets such as China and India are very lucrative for these phones since the US/Europe markets are dominated by flagship offers by Apple and Samsung.
So I think the Passport and Classic will act as a 'niche' in the High end market instead of going directly competing with the others-hence no Z30 successor. At least not at the moment.
59. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
First, you miss UK. UK is one of BB stronghold.
Second, I want to comment on Canada, America & SE Asia. In Canada/America, BB user already moved on. and most that still use bb, already made up to pick android/iOS as their next phone.
As of SE Asia, I see a big change in Singapore & Malaysia. In Singapore, 6 years ago, BB everywhere, then 4 years ago, iphone anywhere, now... samsung everywhere. Malaysia were leaping from nokia/bb (mostly nokia) to android. philipine, thailand, vietnam... all android. Indonesia, 87% of phone sold in Indonesia now is android. So, stronghold is MISLEADING WORD.
Yes, bb were very strong in indonesia, south africa, canada. but it's not that strong anymore.
64. DerryAhmad (Posts: 245; Member since: 05 May 2012)
Man.. why do u hate blackberry so much?
Yeah.. we know Blackberry is not that much of a player anymore in the mobile industry. And yeah.. we know Android is the current mobile OS king (I own one myself).
What I'm saying is.. I think Blackberry (under JC) has made some sound decisions. Further restructuring, Selling non-productive assets, Producing budget BB10 phone (Thorn missed that opportunity.. big time), Going for their strongest markets and Delivering niche flagship products (which saturated with similar looks in that category).
65. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
Why would you say I hate bb so much? I speak the truth, no sugar coated news.
Actually TH is THE ONE that starting the negotiation with foxcon on Z3. JC just to be the guy who release the Z3 into the wild.
JC did the right thing to cut off the fat (restructuring, selling on-productive assets). That's right!!! But what many cheerleader here missed is, bb condition IS NOT IMPROVING!!! What JC throw into the wild is just a sugar coated bad news.
If you really like bb, this is very important for you. You don't want your favorite phone company to die, and you want it to success, so you need to understand it's REAL SITUATION.
BB cash is up by 400 million, but that's because JC:
1. sell out the building/land valued 400 million
2. clear the phone inventory. according to their financial report, around 1.3 million pieces of bb that lying around in the warehouse. valued around 140 million (average ASP around US$110)
3. selling other asset than building (i don't know what) valued around 110 million.
NOW, BEFORE YOU LABELED ME HATTER, I wanna say, that what JC did were GREAT.
1. He sell some phone that lying around in the warehouse. This is a great news. But AFTER THAT, he NEED TO PRODUCE the phone to sell it. (bb still owned inventory of unsold phone valued $107 million). So, it's only a short term winning.
2. JC did the right things when selling the property, after all, it's empty building that have no longer bb employee in it (they were fired). While bb still have property valued at 600 million, JC can't continue selling the property to boost the cash. After the building run out, what would JC use to increase the cash?
So, I won't say that BB is getting better. IT'S GETTING WORSE, but SUGAR COATED TO INCREASE MORAL & STOCK PRICE.
source (SEE THE BOTH ATTACHED IMAGE FROM PHONE ARENA):
66. meanestgenius (Posts: 1499; Member since: 28 May 2014)
First: you DO hate BlackBerry. Everyone here on PA can see that. You ONLY say negative things about BlackBerry, even when things are positive. And you NEVER COMMENT ON ANY OTHER ARTICLES ABOUT ANY OTHER OS. If Android is your favorite, how come you NEVER COMMENT ON ANDROID ARTICLES? That right there marks you as a troll and a hater of BlackBerry.
Second: TH had absolutely NOTHING TO DO with the deal with Foxconn. That was ALL John Chen. You CONSISTENTLY SPREAD LIES about BlackBerry, and I CONSISTENTLY call you out on them.
Third: Any SANE PERSON can see that BlackBerry's condition is improving. The quarterly results say so, and you still SPREAD LIES and say it's not. I think something is seriously wrong with you mentally.
Yes, BlackBerry did sell assets that were no longer necessary and they cleared out inventory. WERE THEY SUPPOSED TO KEEP THE UNNECESSARY ASSETS AND LEAVE THE UNCLEARED INVENTORY?! You would make a HORRIBLE business owner of you think that JC should have stayed with that stuff.
Five: YES, you are a hater. JC did the RIGHT THING and your the ONLY ONE here on PA screaming at the top of your lungs that he did the wrong thing and is "sugar coating" the numbers. THATS A LIE AND YOU KNOW IT.
Six: JC no longer needs to sell property and assets, and he won't. He's going to sell HARDWARE and SOFTWARE to boost cash. In case you missed it, BlackBerry is becoming a company more dependent on SOFTWARE and SERVICES, and LESS on HARDWARE. But your HATE for BlackBerry has you TOO BLIND TO SEE THIS. JC has even SAID THIS, yet you keep screaming HARDWARE. BlackBerry DOES NOT NEED the hardware business to become profitable. They can do that through SOFTWARE and SERVICES. JC has said this as well, and yet you don't even admit he did. Your reading skills are VERY POOR.
BlackBerry is getting better, and the stock price reflects such. I bet on the next quarterly results when BlackBerry does EVEN BETTER than this one, you will still be SCREAMING that they are not doing well.
58. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
farrid, the real question is IF anyone want to buy a US$ 700-900 bb in 2014-2015? BB Z10/Q10 price is going down faster than roller coaster.
If they want to hit business sector with high price, than, they can't afford big quantity. maybe smallish number like 100,000unit/year US$900 GS5/G3 quality level.
The public sector already lost interest in BB. they already got the bbm on android.
67. meanestgenius (Posts: 1499; Member since: 28 May 2014)
The entire public sector has NOT lost interest in BlackBerry, as evident by the great release of the Z3 in your OWN COUNTRY. Had the release been poor, do really think they be releasing it in 8 more countries?
BUSTED in your lies once again.
21. Alex123 (Posts: 226; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
why not a full touch??? however, wish you a good luck Blackberry!
60. WahyuWisnu (Posts: 1001; Member since: 29 May 2014)
because bb still living in the past. lol.