BlackBerry 10, Z10 and Q10 - 'meh' or 'yeah'?
0. phoneArena 30 Jan 2013, 12:34 posted on
Does BlackBerry 10 and the accompanying Z10 and Q10 handsets stand a fighting chance against the specs juggernaut Android, the loyal base of Apple, and the up and coming Windows Phone aided by Nokia's engineering prowess? Mark your preference in the poll below and sound off in the comments with your arguments...
This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here
1. Giggity (Posts: 147; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)
At the other end of the tunnel, the carriers can make or break BB. We'll see how they will promote BB10
41. MONUQ (Posts: 31; Member since: 26 Jan 2013)
Sorry to say but why people scare to use new platforms.....
45. tusshharish (Posts: 342; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)
no one getting votes like windows phone 8 poll........................
2. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Count me in the major effort camp. Delayed shipping dates in the U.S. aren't going to help BB's cause.
3. henrickrw (Posts: 408; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
I'm an Android supporter, but I will never let go my 9900 & now I'm heading for the Z10 & Q10.
I trust RIM will get back up!
4. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1488; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)
good product and good show , only problems i saw was the availability and carrier dependency
5. urtard (banned) (Posts: 82; Member since: 30 Jan 2013)
I'd say it could probably topple WP8
6. _Bone_ (Posts: 2154; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)
Past-generation specs, iPhone-Android aftertaste, no standout feature. Anything but a massive failure would be a miracle, and miracles rarely happen in this industry. Harsh? So is the competition.
7. kirholstov (Posts: 144; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
did you hear that bb's stocks fell after the presentation?
8. timtimity (Posts: 196; Member since: 13 Aug 2012)
My next phone will be an Android (currently using an iPhone), but I hope BlackBerry do well. It might just be me but I'm seeing a little deja vu with them and Sony's phones last year (great phones, but not boasting some of the top tier specs on the market and a lot of time between launch and shipping resulting in them being overlooked by a lot of people).
Hopefully they'll keep afloat and they'll be able to do what Sony did with the Z earlier this month and launch a device that instantly gets lots of non-BlackBerry fans genuinely interested in moving to them.
Good luck BB.
9. cR203 (Posts: 201; Member since: 27 Jan 2013)
With these new phones bb should be able to make a comeback. But with ios, android, and even windows phone it could get a little rough.
17. hepresearch (unregistered)
Won't be easy. Can't be with Google, Microsoft, and Apple trying to keep them on the ropes.
10. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4274; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Very solid handsets from RIM, at least now they have a fighting chance.
12. Derekjeter (Posts: 813; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
Why are you people focusing on the specs of the phone? These phones don't need a quadcore or eight cores. Are you kidding me. Just like windows phones don't need them. The only OS that needs that much power are androids. Like my note 2. Even though its quadcore it still lags and reboots itself. I love android for all the cool apps that allow me to cheat on all my girlfriends lol but it will always lag cuz it a heavy OS. The iPhone 5 that I also carry doesn't lag and iOS will not need eight cores either. If you didn't see the presentation watch it. It's the first one that I see where nothing lagged and everything was smooth. Remember when Google tried to do live demo of the Galaxy Nexus and it was slow and it didn't look good on trying the face recognition feature. Lol.
20. Aeires (unregistered)
Guess some people don't understand that if you build the OS and the hardware, you can match them together so they run efficiently. Totally different story when you have to make it work on 200+ types of phones.
13. christianqwerty (Posts: 467; Member since: 05 May 2011)
specs arent everything. I have an s3, and even with all its power, touchwiz still crashes, it still lags, battery is bad, ive had to hard reset in 3 times in the past 5 months
14. N-fanboy (Posts: 543; Member since: 12 Jan 2013)
"Nice specs"... A guy from 2012 would say but now its 2013-maybe! Now i think its all about -quad core, 1080p and >8mp. The reason why Lumia920 is succeding in the market is becoz it boasts fatures like pureview, wirless charging & its taughness! What does BB have to bragg about?
16. hepresearch (unregistered)
Ooooohhh!!! I know, I know! A very nice open-faced QWERTY keyboard among open-faced QWERTY's? Oh, and a POSIX-compliant UNIX-based OS that meets SUS-specification? Oh... and built-in support for the BES and its descendants? I dunno...
21. Aeires (unregistered)
How about the best security in the mobile market. BB built their reputation and user base on that. Their messaging service is also killer, not really sure why you think they don't have anything going for them.
46. daftastic (Posts: 87; Member since: 07 Jan 2013)
Security? Against what? None of that will matter to the average user. It's not like every user is gonna have important documents stored in a phone. Furthermore, unless you're some big shot, nobody's gonna care and make efforts of hacking your phone.
48. Aeires (unregistered)
Sounds like you know little about BB. BB is geared towards Enterprise applications, where security is needed.
49. daftastic (Posts: 87; Member since: 07 Jan 2013)
And that matters to end-users how? "Enterprise" applications will be important to an average user? As long as a phone has Facebook, Twitter, Instagram none of that will matter.
What you should've pointed out is BB 10's unique interface. It's a better newer experience than the redundant iOS and cluttered (stock) Android OS. You know, eye-candy?
35. bigdawg23 (Posts: 446; Member since: 25 May 2011)
I would suggest you use a Playbook, which was built by QNX. The device can have a lot of apps open and true multitasking with NO Lag. Like others have sad Android needs Quad and Eight core to try and cure lag. I have yet to own a Android phone that doesn't develop severe lagging.
As for 1080p, why in the hell do you need that on a phone? Most users can tell a screen resolution difference or just don't care. And for the Camera it is proven mp doesn't matter its the lens and os that does. iPhones have better 5mp cameras than Android 8mp.
15. cheetah2k (Posts: 1521; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)
The situation RIM finds itself now is where Apple will be in the not to distant future should they remain asphyxiated with not changing (evolving) iOS. I doubt very much BB will be a major contender with BB10 and their new devices - only time will tell
18. bluescreen (Posts: 154; Member since: 22 Nov 2012)
funny how once moldy berry watches all their corporate and multi line contract accounts leave at record pace they then finally decide its time to do a major over haul on their entire system....yet if they didnt lose all these major accounts im willing to be the farm that they wouldnt have over hauled their systems and phones.....too little way to late as far as im concerned.....u can polish a turd but at the end of the day it will still be a turd....
29. hepresearch (unregistered)
... unless you take the turd and mix it into a lot of chocolate brownie mix... 99% brownie, 1% turd... hey, if it's good enough for hotdogs, then why would the FDA not clear the 'fudge' brownies, too? I'll bet you'd never notice, anyway...
BlackBerry 10 has almost nothing in common, code-wise, with BlackBerry 7 and earlier. The only commonalities are in appearance only, and are superficial. Where the old BlackBerry OS was mostly Java-based, the new BlackBerry 10 is QNX-UNIX. BB10 has more in common with iOS than with the old BlackBerry OS, as Darwin and QNX are both POSIX-and-SUS-compliant UNIX. Even Android, Linux-based, while closely related to UNIX, is neither POSIX-compliant nor SUS.
19. StreetNerd (Posts: 819; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
im sooooo PROOO WP8 now but QNX seems to be a beast OS o_0
if i cant get my hands on a cheap Lumia 920 before march, thn i might get BB Q10 on contract :')
22. Aeires (unregistered)
Go BB. My N4 is just a couple months old so I'm locked into Android but if I was looking for a new phone right now I'd take a serious look at BB10.
26. jroc74 (Posts: 5995; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I have a feeling BB is gonna eat away at iPhone sales more than Android or WP. WP also.
I think the iPhone is gonna be in for a real dog fight between Android, WP and BB. Out of all 4...iOS is the only one thats kinda on the stale side. Android, WP and BB went thru major UI changes. I say WP because of the old Win Mo. WP is a huge change from that.
40. MC1123 (Posts: 1255; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
huge and wierd change...
unlike winmo, WP cannot be costumize by the manufacturer...
so i think winmo is better than the live tiles of WP
23. timtimity (Posts: 196; Member since: 13 Aug 2012)
Apologies if this is a dumb question, but in the future is it a possibility for BlackBerry to pass their new operating to other companies? A Samsung or Nokia phone running BB10 could be interesting and possibly provide a little more income and security to the company.
24. Aeires (unregistered)
Anything is possible. I've even read some articles questioning if they should do that. They make their own phones so they have control from beginning to end but if they don't take off with BB10, wouldn't surprise me if that happened. I think there's two things to consider though, first being BB10 has to do well so OEMs would want to build for it, and secondly, if it did do well, would they need to pass the build onto an outside company? With Android and iOS having so much of the market, licensing BB10 could give them an edge to get back close to where they used to be.
25. jroc74 (Posts: 5995; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I voted option #2. Ppl at work are really excited about BB10. I woulda voted 1 and 2...but as with most things...it always will depend on sales.
I found out a fav show of mine...a good one IMO...got cancelled. WebOS was a good OS....just on bad hardware. Most things depend on sales as far as it lasting.
30. MC1123 (Posts: 1255; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
i think if WebOS is with nokia, (before elop was selected ad CEO) webOS might be reigning now!! and they might modernize symbian, so that it could live!
32. papss (unregistered)
See I had webOS with my palm pre and I really disliked it. Many of the issues were related to poor app selection and there seemed to be a larger than usual ratio of garbage on there store.. But like you said it wasn't supported very well
39. MC1123 (Posts: 1255; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
if nokia handled it, it will be a complete different story!
27. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
Why so negative against BB PA? give them a chance before putting out polls. I'm sure a lot of people wants the QWERTY BB phone. i know i have a couple of relatives that still uses BB
28. MC1123 (Posts: 1255; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
welcome to PA!
but actually, the people here are all android bias...
34. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
not too mention all the iFans
37. MC1123 (Posts: 1255; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
actually im pretty sure that this site is full of android fans, coz everytime i see an apple related topic and the apple fans say something good towards apple, there's so many thumbs down on it...
36. hepresearch (unregistered)
I'm biased toward an extinct OS called Symbian... hahaha!
I am equally hostile toward Android and iOS, and now even more hostile toward Windows Phone (true story... a new development since last time I was active here in March 2012, back before I had tasted of Microsoft's latest bitter koolaid). I am not even sure that I will like BlackBerry 10 any better.
Apparently, some Android fanboys thought I was an iOS fanboy, and most of the iOS fanboys thought I was an Android fanboy, but they were ALL mistaken... even back then.
38. MC1123 (Posts: 1255; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
me too!! im so bias to symbian!! just one awesome platform!! there's still a lot of things that symbian can do but others cant!
why i choose to side with BB10 instead of WP8 is because of nokia-microsoft partnership!
im actually cool with meego, and there was a leak that nokia will merge meego and symbian's code to be one! but elop stop that! so atleast both meego and symbian can live,but f**k elop!!!
while on BB10, BlackBerry give a lot on effort with it, while WP, nokia did all the stuff and they are still blinded to the fact that microsoft will let them pay licenses now!
and RIM did a great job with its BB10 OS, im not saying that WP is terrible, but it is not suited for nokia! since nokia is still consider as the leader of innovation, and too restricted WP isn't good for nokia! so thats why i reside for BB10 instead of WP!
btw symbian isnt extinct, it will live forever with the 808 pureview as the saviour and te god of camera phone (even if nokia will announce that nokia EOS, the combination of 808 and 920, nokia 808 is still the god!!!)! :D
43. Nikolas.Oliver (banned) (Posts: 1574; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)
lol are you serious? symbian is a dead os, even nokia no longer support it,
51. hepresearch (unregistered)
Well, that depends on your point of view... yes, it is extinct from commercial sales, but if you have the right tools and source kernels, you can keep it going for yourself indefinitely. I have Nemesis, Pheonix ROM flasher, and the Nokia Cooker for patching and modding my custom ROM's. Granted, my Nemesis license and key will be non-renewable after a certain point, but the Pheonix key will last longer, I think. Nokia Cooker will work the ROM flashing utility, too, as long as I'm willing to maintain a DOS-capable machine for a while. I keep my own ROM's to myself, though, as they are not likely to be appreciated by anyone else.
BTW... Symbian and MeeGo merged? That won't happen, as they are not closely related, code-wise, at all.
As for BB10, at least they run QNX as a microkernel. That is a tasty flashback to Symbian's EKA kernels.
52. MC1123 (Posts: 1255; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)
actually that was my first opinion it seem very wierd that nokia will merge symbian and meego or maemo since they are complete different OS read here
just remove the "dot" and change it to "."
53. hepresearch (unregistered)
No where in those articles did I read anything about merging Symbian and Maemo/MeeGo, but it did talk about the internal arrangements of the teams, and how the team that worked Symbian was largely diverted to the MeeGo development process toward the end of Symbian's in-house development life in 2009-2010. Yeah, lots of tragedy and irony in that process, though, and then finally Elop's Windows Phone decision and the "Elopocalypse"...
MeeGo was to be Nokia's first real answer to iOS and Android, but management worried that it was not going to get support, and that it was half-baked all along, and they balked... so, instead, Elop took it upon himself to make the choice for all of them - Windows Phone. It was billed as a ready-made solution from an outside software developer, allowing Nokia to cut its software development teams to almost nothing, and it would run on a slightly different chipset stuck in the very same hardware built for MeeGo devices. It just wasn't quite as ready-made on Microsoft's end as advertised at first, but it is now getting there. I still don't like it, though...
31. MobileMac (unregistered)
Mobile phones are like eating pizza in New York. Some like Lombardis, some Grimaldis and some Rays. I have the Galaxy S3, but there are things I really like about the Lumia 920 that the GS3 doesn't. Then there are apps that Android has that Windows doesn't. Before Android I swore by BlackBerry and was hoping for something big from them.
With that being said, I would really enjoy using this phone for the different type of interface. The swiping to get to menus sounds cool. If the Q10 had a slightly larger screen I would seriously consider it. There is just one thing lacking that most of us have in common. That is being to actually go to your carrier store and try it out. I usually take about 30 minutes checking to see if I can do all the things I usually do.
Also, as much as I love my GS3, the on screen keyboards always leave something to be desired. I miss the touch of actual keys on my BB's and my E71. Wish the release date was sooner.
42. jedpatrickdatu (Posts: 167; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)
I love their new phones, but I don't like the fact that their software copied heavily from MeeGo, especially the multitasking page. It makes Blackberry feel dirty for me. Isn't the Harmattan UI patented or something?
54. hepresearch (unregistered)
BB10 runs as a microkernel, like Symbian did... but BB10 is based on QNX-UNIX, while Symbian is based on EPOC32. It does seem to look a lot like Harmattan in its own way, but Harmattan is part of MeeGo, which is an open-source Linux derivative, and so I doubt that anyone will go after BlackBerry for using a similar theme... imagine that: another company's UI product that BlackBerry won't get scolded or sued for using or copying because it is part of a good-hearted open-source project. Linux at Nokia/Jolla is not all copy-cat protection-crazy like Mac OS X or iOS at Apple. I am not saying that people should be allowed to counterfeit Apple's patented product lines... just pointing out that it is nice to see someone in the corporate space being kind and easy-going, for a change. Chances are that they'll probably lose a lot of money needlessly, though, for being so laid-back and easy-going, and people will get all worked up about that... someone will sound the "thief alarm", and then it will be ruined for everybody.
44. ChiX017 (Posts: 308; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
These phones are a beautiful, it's really a novelty. I love 'em
47. lubba (Posts: 1313; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
There's alot of hate for WP and MS here as well.
50. daftastic (Posts: 87; Member since: 07 Jan 2013)
I feel MeeGo should've been appreciated as this was. Nokia should've invested in apps for MeeGo instead of leaving it for dead like they did.
Meh should've could've