Bill Maher dissing Apple and Foxconn with "The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs" creator
0. phoneArena posted on 07 Feb 2012, 03:35
The famed HBO "Real Time" talk show host invited Mike Daisey for his latest episode, and had a brief discussion about Apple, Foxconn, and Mike's one-man performance on Broadway...
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1. XiphiasGladius posted on 07 Feb 2012, 04:52 3 0
This Just piss me off more, How could they ignore that kind of sh** while they're enjoying their hundreds of billions of profit, I dont care If they don't give back any of those sh** cash that they have, at least they could demand foxconn fo improve the working conditions of the workers and to think they have that power to demand it whenever they can. >.
9. bigdawg23 posted on 07 Feb 2012, 09:29 0 0
You need to remember this company operates under the Communist law. Is it necessarily right? No but the fact is they are functioning with in the China Law's. Outside of the US factories are total different. This type of scene is common over there. I deal with company in the US that the owner is from China. He shows us pictures of the factor and says he does treat people better than most companies despite not having to. In fact he has received threats over it. He has taken over the US factor conditions to China.
In the end if you don't like what Apple is doing then people will stop buying the products.
62. XiphiasGladius posted on 08 Feb 2012, 06:42 0 0
Yes In china that's to be expected but to be abused like that is already different. But knowing this just pissis me off that's all. I know I sound like a moral hygienist or something but that's just my point of view.
2. PAPINYC posted on 07 Feb 2012, 05:43 2 0
It's what I've always said: these aren't just the traditional "sweatshops", these are the new and more horrific "iSweatshops". The old American sweatshops were guilty of 12 to 14 hour shifts. iSweatshops = 30+ hour shifts × iSuiCiDes (x³); that's the Apple formula for production and profit.
3. tedkord posted on 07 Feb 2012, 06:37 2 1
Be fair, its hardly just Apple that takes advantage of the slave-like Chinese labor market. Most major manufacturers source from China, then turn a blind eye to both the working conditions and the environmental abuses.
And, its unamerican of every US company that dies so, not just for the plight of the workers they allow, but for the harm they do to this country by moving good paying jobs there, solely to make their own jobs higher paying.
4. remixfa posted on 07 Feb 2012, 07:03 6 1
that is true. a lot of companies do it. but this isnt a shoe site, so we dont hear about Nike. This is a tech site. The bulk of tech manufacturing goes through Foxconn. Foxconn themselves said that the working conditions are set by the client and that no 2 factories are the same. According to foxconn themselves, Apple's plants are the worst of the worst with working conditions.
And do you know who was involved with controlling suppliers while SJ was alive? Cook.. the man that now is CEO of the empire. Does anyone really think anything is going to change other than some feel good emails?? Nope.
6. tedkord posted on 07 Feb 2012, 08:11 1 0
I'm not trying to absolve Apple, they're as guilty as any Ameican company that ships jobs to China. I just wanted to point out they're just a part of the problem, not the whole problem.
I do agree that since they profit SO much from the slave-like labor, they could be the public face of the problem. With as high as their profit margin is on these products, they should throw much more of that money to the workers.
16. SuperAndroidEvo posted on 07 Feb 2012, 12:41 1 0
Apple has the money to set the president on the issue. Other companies go to China because they have no money & need the cheap labor to survive. Apple just looks very sick in how they are treating their employees. In 2012 there is no reason for this, ESPECIALLY an American company who is aware of the labor laws & has the moral obligation to keep those same standards even if they are in another country. Apple has 100 billion in the bank, make good to the people whose blood sweat & tears helped make you those billions. I am not saying that the other companies are good to exploit their workers because they have no money, all I am saying is that Apple can make a difference & are choosing not to. Some of the other companies are not in the position of Apple, that is why Apple looks worse than the other companies that are doing the same thing.
Apple is very successful & with all the money they have, they owe it to the people that put them on the map in the first place, at least with some decent hours/shifts, & some decent pay. 35 hour shifts is not work it's OPRESSION it’s a way to kill someone very slowly. The human body is not made for that type of endurance. Even if you don’t die, you are cutting the life expectance of that individual drastically.
13. SuperAndroidEvo posted on 07 Feb 2012, 12:24 2 0
Yeah they only thing you can compare an iPhone to describe how bad & putrid the working conditions are is to describe it to blood diamonds.
People love diamonds & really don't care how they get them. The same could be said of iPhones & other Apple products. Also let’s not forget the other companies that are doing the same thing across all different markets.
Apple looks REAL bad in all of this because they have the resources to give these people decent wages & decent hours. Plus the insensitive comments by those Apple leaders are very, very disheartening & just plain disgusting.
All life is precious & all life feels pain. The smallest bug will run a fight because it feels pain on order to survive, what Apple is doing to other HUMANS is just plain unacceptable. With 100 BILLON in the bank Apple can fix things in Foxconn OVER night, & make more profit in the long run.
5. PAPINYC posted on 07 Feb 2012, 07:15 2 0
You are so right but, 'remixfa' above is even more right!! Besides, Foxxconn employees working on Apple products are so delirious that I've even seen documented reports of workers attempting iSuiCiDe via iToones; now that's serious.
10. cellphonator posted on 07 Feb 2012, 10:13 2 0
Our system is collapsing, there are no jobs and EVERYTHING is Made in China. Are you ready to sink with your $200 iDevice?
12. remixfa posted on 07 Feb 2012, 11:43 1 0
thats a misnomer. It doesnt HAVE to cost more. Apple rakes over 70% profit per device. The industry average is like 10-25% Samsung already makes many chips here in the USA. In fact they just had a grand opening of another plant in texas. You get more bang for your buck techwise with samsung products as it is, and they cost the same or less than an iphone UNSUBSIDIZED... which is the important part.
What people are missing is Apple is too greedy (and anyone that knows me knows i dont like to use that word with businesses) to come off their sky high profit margins in order to give Americans jobs... not even to make Chinese working conditions better. Until people start boycotting apple products until they have better working conditions, like I have, It will never change.
Why would they voluntarily give up 20-30% profit margin if no one cares? Its on the consumers to push the market, thats how a free market works.
21. cellphonator posted on 07 Feb 2012, 13:46 0 0
That's very interesting what you're saying about 70% profit against 10-25% of the rest. What's the source of this info?
So once more, import taxes on made in China?
24. thephoneguy92 posted on 07 Feb 2012, 14:37 0 0
If you look at how much Apple makes off one iPhone sold, you will see the remixfa is right, or at least very close. Carriers have to pay extremely high fees to apple to sell their products, and Apple gets back something like $400-$500 back for an iPhone sale. I could be wrong on the exact price, but it's something similar. And I don't necessarily see putting import taxes on products made in China solving the problem. Companies will still make huge amounts of profits from their products, whether it's from hiking up their prices, or some other way. Boycotting their products is the best way to send a message in my opinion. Only problem is most people don't know/care that this is going on, so it won't happen, and I lost faith for most of the world as I typed that last sentence out. Unreal.
26. remixfa posted on 07 Feb 2012, 14:55 2 1
the answer isn't to punish, the answer is to entice. we have the 2nd highest corperte taxes in the prime world by just a smidge. and we wonder why business run to places with much much lower taxes. refine our tax code to make businesses want to more here instead of china and it will fix the working conditions and our economy at the same time
42. cellphonator posted on 07 Feb 2012, 16:27 0 0
@remixfa Thumb all the way up.
48. gallitoking posted on 07 Feb 2012, 16:59 0 0
i also agree but I dont thumb up/down..
11. InspectorGadget80 posted on 07 Feb 2012, 10:40 0 0
At least someone talks trash bout Apple n Foxxcon
