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Beating Apple to the announcement may be best for Windows Phone 8

0. phoneArena 30 Jul 2012, 18:32 posted on

This is a story that has been filtering out across the web for a couple days now, but there have been conflicting reports. We've sorted through, and here's what we expect to come in September with regard to Windows Phone 8...

This is a discussion for a news. To read the whole news, click here

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 18:49 14

1. -box- (Posts: 3789; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


I'm hoping for a discount deal, especially with the back-to-school season. Free Nokia Windows Phone with purchase of a Surface Pro, perhaps? I'm hoping Nokia can announce a strong flagship, something only a Galaxy S3 or OneX (or their later variants) could touch, and continue leaving iPhones in the dust. Keep it competitive, bug-free, price it right, and get it announced and in customers' hands ASAP

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 19:25 4

8. harley22x (Posts: 9; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


I could tell you for sure that I would buy a Surface Pro for a deal like that. Defiantly. Even if it was a... "Buy Surface RT and get Nokia WP8 device 50% off of (insert provider here) Windows Phone 8 phones."

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 22:41 2

24. xtplnet (Posts: 39; Member since: 03 Mar 2012)


I guess , most lucarative deal will be , Nokia Lumia 1000 (WP 8 + screen size 4.6 Clear back display HD + Snapdragan S4 and most importent Nokia Pureview tech) and price tag of 99$ then ask apple to launch iPhone 5 !!! we will see who can sell million devices first :-)

posted on 31 Jul 2012, 03:11 1

29. haseebzahid (Posts: 1826; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


dont think pureview will come that cheap its really high tech

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 18:54 2

2. Santi_Santi (unregistered)


Great analysis.

PD: First comment after banning

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 21:52 1

22. MeoCao (unregistered)


It's always easier said than done. MS is notoriously slow in development, they are used to being the monopoly and never feel the urgency in bringing product to market.

Google announced JB and released it in a few weeks. Now look at MS and Apple: they announced new OS months before realease b-c they need lots of time to fine tune their software.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 18:56 18

3. Johnnokia (Posts: 516; Member since: 27 May 2012)


Who is apple ???

Nokia is the best

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 21:24 9

20. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


10 years ago, I'd agree.

posted on 31 Jul 2012, 03:34 7

30. haseebzahid (Posts: 1826; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


10 months later u will agree again

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 19:04

4. clevelandiskindacool (Posts: 28; Member since: 03 Jul 2012)


If microsoft wants to get anywhere above their current 4-5% market share they need to announce availability at least a month before iPhone 5

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 19:38

12. -box- (Posts: 3789; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Technically anything they can do that would be outside the buyer's remorse period of the host carrier (30 days for AT&T, 14 for most everyone else) would be their benefit so customers can't easily return their devices and trade for a competitors' model.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 20:03

14. Aeires (unregistered)


Availability or not, any announcement to create buzz and hesitation towards competitor products would be good for Nokia at this point. I've seen very few commercials about Win phones, if MS is really serious about them then they need to really crank up the marketing. Apple and Samsung isn't going to slow down their marketing, that's been proven.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 19:14 3

5. Angkor (Posts: 108; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)


Microsoft WP8 OS is making Nokia lost of profit and market share. Nokia is playing a catch up game with Microsoft WP update every 3 months.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 19:21 7

6. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i dunno, I think it could work to their benefit either way. If they announce something amazing before the next iphone.. say a 4.3+ inch HD screen with the proview 40mpx camera and a full day with heavy usage battery life... that could keep enough wind in their sales to take some out of Apple.. but I doubt it.. Apple fans are apple fans. Even though the OS barely changes from iteration to iteration they get crazy excited for it anyways.

On the flip side, they could have the meeting like 2 weeks after the iphone announcement. We have a very solid idea of what the iphone5 will look like, and we know what iOS6 is all about. A lot of the wind that Apple normally has from an announcement probably wont be there this year. The new feature is a 0.5 inch bigger screen and a metal back. Unless there is a "surprise app" unannounced from iOS6 (which there probably is) that is just... huge.. I dont see mega fanfare (except from the crazed fans of course).. i see a bit of fan despair.. especially with what Google just brought with 4.1 JB. With that in mind, MS could capitalize on that "despair" by announcing that super mega W8 device and its new features and energize people that were put off by the Apple announcement. It would make MS seem even "better" than they might have seemed before the announcement. Of course, that all just depends on exactly what MS has up its sleeve too.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 20:48

17. snowgator (Posts: 3209; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Agree, remixfa. Apple is still Apple, but they are playing it way to safe. At some point, the public wants something more. At what point do Apple fans hit that wall?

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 21:23

19. Penny (Posts: 1146; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


Yeah I very much agree remix. I think WP8 is a compelling enough release that it could capitalize with anybody that is on the fence if the iPhone 5 announcement fails to generate as much fanfare as previous years. I would also release the WP8 flagships right after the iPhone 5 to further convey a feeling that WP8 will be a better release because there is a certain sense of reward associated with holding out for the next best thing (as long as it is a very short wait, not even weeks).

posted on 31 Jul 2012, 02:38

27. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the only reason I wouldn't release it right after the iPhone5 announcement is that it take a little bit of time to digest. Believe it or not, Michael is not the only writer of his kind, and articulating a point from a non hype stance takes more than a few days. You have to give the masses time to soak the i5 announcement in, let some knee jerk writers chime in, and let some real solemness set in for fans before you revitalize them with something completely new and different.

Let them get nearly to the point of accepting the i5, and then wow them like crazy with W8 and a stellar flagship phone.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 19:22 1

7. .TRADE.MARK. (banned) (Posts: 4; Member since: 26 Jul 2012)


It's true Nokia are with-out exception have been connecting
people; but they have lost the midas touch, that they
will, have, and never use high-spec hardware in there
products....! Samsung will lead. Nokia will follow!

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 19:29 3

9. harley22x (Posts: 9; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


I think Microsoft and Nokia need to advertise, playing off of the iPhone UI, and how it never really changed in 5 years. "Tired of the same old UI" or "Upgrade from a stale UI to Live Tiles" or... "No more stale icons, New, Beautiful Live Tiles." or something to that effect.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 19:30 4

10. harley22x (Posts: 9; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


iPhone UI and device design its self. **

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 19:56 1

13. -box- (Posts: 3789; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


The smartphone beta test campaign was a decently compelling series, and could be continued or modified for the same premise

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 19:36

11. The_Godfather (Posts: 149; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


This article isn't gonna make any difference to Windows phone8 as they would be fully featured pack devices with a totally different UI.

People gonna love it like anything and moreover if you talk about Apps there would be so many awesome apps on the way :)

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 20:17 1

15. paulyyd (Posts: 326; Member since: 08 Jan 2011)


Lol every company is watching apple and planning to unveil their products before rumored dates ao they can get the jump on them. Now thats what you call domination. Apple is just that good

posted on 01 Aug 2012, 09:13 1

34. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2670; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Is that why Google is announcing the new Nexus devices after Apple? Or perhaps that's the reason why Apple always announces something after CES?

It's all part of the game. No company wants a rival to dominate the news, so everyone thinks strategically about announcements, even Apple.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 20:45

16. snowgator (Posts: 3209; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


What it comes down to is that it really does not matter when Microsoft and Nokia make the WP 8 announcement, Apple will get all the press in the tech sections of sites like USA Today, The Wall Street Journal, and the lead at PC Magazine, Wired, and all the room on the tickers of Fox News and CNN. They are mainstream, and WP is not. MS is going to get a little love, but they are playing a game of "HEY!! LOOK AT US!!".

The fact is WP is still a year or two away from the type of growth where getting the jump on Apple would mean anything. I love their vision, but how they are selling in May and June of next year is more important than where they are in December of this year.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 21:18 1

18. Penny (Posts: 1146; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


If I were Microsoft, I would probably want to show off the features of Windows Phone 8 maybe 2 weeks prior to the launch of the iPhone 5 (but after the iPhone 5 announcement), and release the first WP8 flagship phones a few days after the iPhone 5. What I wouldn't want to do is launch the WP8 flagship phones prior to the launch of the iPhone 5, because then you will be in a situation in which you are not going to buy the WP8 flagship right away, but rather wait until the iPhone 5 is released. This would hurt initial sales, and as a result, consumer confidence in the product. That is all anybody on the fence would need to jump on the iPhone 5 as soon as it becomes available.

Also, since I feel that WP8 is more impressive of a release than iOS 6, I think it has the potential to make people who are on the fence curious enough to wait the extra few days until WP8 flagships are launched instead of jumping on the iPhone 5 right away. This curiosity that resulted in a few days wait is in itself already an investment by the consumer into the platform. When somebody has already invested their time/thoughts/curiosity into something, they are much more likely to commit entirely as long as it falls within a certain range of their expectations.

Well, those are my initial reactions at least.

posted on 31 Jul 2012, 10:34

32. snowgator (Posts: 3209; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


Good strategic planning, Penny. MS needs you on speed dial....

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 21:27

21. rsiders (Posts: 251; Member since: 17 Nov 2011)


As a Windows Phone enthusiast and fan, all the latest news is really getting me pumped about Windows Phone 8. WP8 is sure to be fully loaded come this fall. I'm actually taking a month(August) off from all forms of news(PhoneArena, PhoneDog, PocketNow, Windows Phone Central) concerning to WP8 to get other things done until Nokia World is underway. I'm excited about what's happening in the Microsoft camp though!

posted on 31 Jul 2012, 10:33

31. snowgator (Posts: 3209; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


More disciplined than I am. I am having fun mining for info.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 22:29

23. parkwaydr (Posts: 572; Member since: 07 Sep 2011)


I don't know, I honestly think if ms plays the right hand, they can grab bb fans who are sick of waiting for rim to get it in gear, only because I think a bb 7 to wp8 would be a great and painless transition, I don't think they can pull too many from apple, only because apple fans generally aren't fence goers, so to speak, and, my self being an exception as I am genuinely interested, I don't think many android users will take the leap. That being said, I hope Sprint actually picks up a wp8 device, but let it be known that if I do want it, I have no problems switching carriers for it.

posted on 30 Jul 2012, 23:14

25. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1084; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)


Nokia has to show investors that it has very good Products to sell to the Public. Nokia cannot afford to look dead. they must show at least 2 Windows 8 smart phones and a Dynamite Windows 8 x86 intel tablet or Windows "RT" tablet computers they will have up for sale in the neat future hopefully in Early October. If I were a OEM I would have my products on the Market no later than the first week of October to beat Black Friday the Christmas shopping season because smart phones and Tablet computers costs hundreds of Dollars and for a person to buy one around Christmas shopping time will take a big chunk o money out of a person's Christmas shopping budget. an OEM should want a person not to have to choose to buy their product or some body wont get a present for Christmas is they do buy their product

posted on 31 Jul 2012, 01:06

26. muhsen (Posts: 258; Member since: 07 Jun 2012)


apparently the author had Alzheimer. nokia world isn't nokia world without nokia anouncing its flagships.
not announcing wp8 phones on nokia world?!really?! apparently the author doesn't know nokia world or has followed any nokia world before which is weird for a phonearena author. during all the last four nokia worlds , nokia announced its flagships including the last one last year where nokia announced their first two wp phones handsets.
what a funny article!!!!! lol !

posted on 31 Jul 2012, 02:49

28. azafirster (Posts: 43; Member since: 01 May 2012)


I see this as double edge sword or method, because if Nokia does go with an announcement of WP8 with MS, its going to canabalize the current stock of lumia that they've been betting on to get them through to the next itteration. But on the positive note, MS can get the jump on apple, they already have two Samsung WP8 already in dev, remember the spill in that apple-samsung court case, so actually MS can get a better first -impression foothold on enduser-consumer, given that the announcement out weighs apple's. Its a risky move in my opinion, and its actually a risk Nokia has to check before taking the plunge, because the only one that will benefit is MS, it doesn't necessarily ensures Nokia's survival.

posted on 31 Jul 2012, 20:19

33. Edmund (Posts: 654; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)


It took Toyota many years to convince the average person that they make better cars than GM and Ford. I expect Nokia and Microsoft will have to go through the same hurdles, but fortunately the life cycle for mobile phones is a lot shorter than the one for cars.

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