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Basemark X benchmark now listing the Nexus 5 as the 2nd-best gaming phone

0. phoneArena 30 Oct 2013, 08:11 posted on

As we noted earlier today, it's been a Nexus 5 day so far, and a leaked benchmark for the Nexus 5 is really serves to complete the picture...

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posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:12 6

1. HeWhoDoesNothing (Posts: 156; Member since: 15 Jul 2013)


Damn you, Apple.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:18 4

4. boosook (Posts: 950; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)


LOL! They're pretty close, actually.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:29 9

11. ardent1 (Posts: 1991; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


Dude, you got problems.

15.5 and 15.4 might be close, but 15.5 and 14.3 (giving Nexus the benefit of the doubt) is NOT PRETTY CLOSE.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:48 39

20. DaHarder (Posts: 154; Member since: 10 Oct 2009)


Sure.. Whatever...

What really matters is that doing any sort of 'gaming' (or anything else for that matter) on a 4 inch display of less than 720p resolution is likely going to be far less enjoyable than performing the same on a 5 inch display at 1080p for anyone with remotely average sized fingers.

It's really not too difficult for Apple's iPhone5/5c/5s to get marginally faster performance numbers when it has so few pixels to push due to its sub-720p and comparatively minuscule display.

But of course you (as expected from such a biased brand fanatic) fail to take THAT 'Inconvenient Truth' into account.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:59 7

28. maxican16 (Posts: 363; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Boom! Ardent is such a ridiculous pain in the ass to try to have a discussion with. You put him in his place. Well done sir.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 09:32 3

33. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7743; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Oh trust me, WE know.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 15:20

62. DukeX (Posts: 327; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)


First word you see now in the ifan dictionary is "offscreen"....

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 10:07 2

42. Ninetysix (Posts: 1482; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


"It's really not too difficult for Apple's iPhone5/5c/5s to get marginally faster performance numbers when it has so few pixels to push due to its sub-720p and comparatively minuscule display."

Except this was an offscreen benchmark. Better luck next time broski.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 10:36 6

45. shahrooz (Posts: 118; Member since: 17 Sep 2013)


this is an on-screen benchmark read the article before commenting

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 10:49

48. Ninetysix (Posts: 1482; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


Must suck not knowing how to read graphs.

Post #38 has your answer.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:55 5

26. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 603; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


Actually it is, considering how far the rest is. Besides that, in the Egypt offscreen benchmark, where screensize and res doesnt matter, they are even when it comes to speed.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 09:21

30. roldefol (Posts: 2859; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


standard deviation: 0.85
%RSD: 5.7%

Yeah, that's pretty close actually.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 10:39 5

46. E34V8 (Posts: 52; Member since: 16 Dec 2011)


Don't forget - Nexus 5 has a 5" full HD screen, and the iPhone 5s has a sub HD 4" screen. Which one do you prefer ?

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 15:04

57. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3951; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


Considering it's measured in frames per second, that is very close. An 8% increase is negligible.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 09:22 2

31. Synack (Posts: 664; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)


And as soon as someone gets it rooted, a few tweaks will easily put it past the iPhone.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 09:31 2

32. roldefol (Posts: 2859; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


Is that all that matters? Seriously, a few points on a benchmark? Who cares? iPhone owners will have a fast gaming device that Android fans will still turn up their noses at. Nexus/G2/Note3 owners will have a fast gaming device that iPhone users won't give a second thought. Everyone wins.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:29 10

10. bloodline (Posts: 691; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


eh, but of think of the price difference between the 2

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:31 2

12. ardent1 (Posts: 1991; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


Better yet, think of the resale values. Apple devices generally end up costing less to own based on depreciation costs, ceteris paribus.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:53 7

25. NexusPhan (Posts: 429; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


What? Not even close. Nexus line has the best value on the planet. Apple can't come close.

Nexus 4: Avg. retail: $325 Avg. Swappa resale: $251
Apple iPhone 5: Avg. retail: $749 Swappa resale: $449

http://swappa.com/buy/nexus-4-unlocked/us
http://swappa.com/buy/apple-iphone-5-unlocked/us

And that's using the original Nexus 4 price, not the $100 discounted price. With the discount, a year old Nexus 4 INCREAED in value.

And giving Apple the benefit of using an unlocked iPhone resale price. Non-unlocked values have to be reduced $100 in resale - which is more typical of a carrier locked iPhone. It's no contest.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 09:34 8

34. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7743; Member since: 14 May 2012)


ardent is going to reply to you now that you've proved him wrong. He'll just give his side, disregard yours and leave when the argument isn't in his favor.

Weak.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 09:36 1

37. NexusPhan (Posts: 429; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)


Haha! Thanks Papa smurf! I was expecting an argument about other Android non-Google branded smartphones. That, I will agree, is a whole different story. Samsung is close but nowhere close to as good as the Nexus line has been. Some of the other OEMs are way off too.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 10:03

40. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7743; Member since: 14 May 2012)


isn't*

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 10:34

44. improv (Posts: 95; Member since: 09 Sep 2013)


I think you also have to account that the iPhone 5 still has a pretty good resale price due to it not being officially available via retail anymore. Ideally speaking though, shouldn't the resale price of the Nexus 4 be lower since Google was selling the 16gb in new condition for $250? I guess some people don't know... Like when thousands are buying refurbished tablets for ridiculous prices on groupon.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 09:36

35. jaytai0106 (Posts: 1229; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)


Don't worry, I will still use Nexus 5 to game any day bc I can't see out of that little screen on 5S

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 15:19

60. madmikepr (Posts: 99; Member since: 09 Aug 2011)


give it a break thats pretty awsome for a phone that cost $349.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:14 2

2. rawbow (Posts: 409; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


The Nexus 5 and the iPhone 5/5s/5c are the devices to own for best experience in the mobile space. Nexus for pure android and Apple for its ecosystem and design.

Waiting for the Nx5 to hit the streets

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:17 7

3. xperiaDROID (Posts: 5258; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


How's the iPhone 5s listed as the best gaming phone? I know it's benchmark, but the iPhone 5s has a small screen, so it's not the best gaming phone.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:23 1

5. Chris.P (Posts: 261; Member since: 27 Jun 2013)


It's a benchmarking tool, after all. Factors such as the above aren't taking into account, for better or worse.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:26 4

9. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5474; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Agree, but then titles are misleading.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:48 3

21. Chris.P (Posts: 261; Member since: 27 Jun 2013)


I actually agree completely, a smaller screen is pretty detrimental to the gaming experience.

But I can't agree that the title is misleading, it clearly states that Basemark X puts it as one of the best devices, which is consistent and true.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:52 1

24. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5474; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Not your article titles, I mean titles in www.rightware.com which says "TOP 5 GAMING PHONES". :)

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:33 2

13. Shatter (Posts: 1997; Member since: 29 May 2013)


Same resolution or it doesn't count. The iPhone is pushing less than half the amount of pixels the nexus 5 is.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:42 2

18. alterecho (Posts: 1073; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)


Is this benchmark done for offscreen? If its offscreen, it negates iphone 5s' screen resolution advantage.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:57 1

27. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 603; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


I doubt it, since I saw Egypt offscreen benchmarks where they had the same value.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 09:45 1

38. Shatter (Posts: 1997; Member since: 29 May 2013)


I did a little thing called problem solving.

Its off screen.

http://hothardware.com/articleimages/Item2093/lg-g2-basemarkx-chart.png

Notice how the difference between the shield and 5s onscreen to their offscreen because the resolution is lower than 1080p by a lot.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 10:47

47. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 603; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)


Still weird that on the T-Rex (thought it was Egypt, but actually it's T-Rex) Offscreen test, they get the same result:
http://www.mobilegeeks.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/phpfu847s-605x300.png

But you are right, these were the offscreen values.

posted on 31 Oct 2013, 04:41

66. YingXiong (Posts: 3; Member since: 31 Oct 2013)


I understand your point. The thing is though we can never cover all the aspects when we make a ranking. But in terms of graphics rendering performance of the phone for gaming purpose, Basemark X score shows the objective number. Many other factors like usability, screen size, types of games will of course affect the user experience when using the phone to play games, but they are all subjective and impossible to have a standard measurement. Basemark X is built on top of Unity, a game engine, so it is safe to say that it is the only benchmark that tells in real cases how well the phone is meant for running games. Different games also have different requirements for the so called "the best" screen size. Not necessarily bigger, the better. Of course most likely that is the case.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:25 1

6. 0scar1Ox (Posts: 12; Member since: 05 Oct 2013)


I want this phone really badly, let's just hope it won't be very expensive:)

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:25 1

7. pixel8or (Posts: 38; Member since: 10 Jun 2010)


If the N5 had a lower resolution screen, I would think it would trounce the 5s. Really comparing apples to nexi here, so not an even comparison.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:34 7

15. WindowsiDroid (Posts: 108; Member since: 22 Jul 2013)


1136 x 640 versus 1080 x 1920. Yeah their resolution is too far from each other it is not totally a comparison.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:25 7

8. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5474; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


iPhone 5S scores good results in Basemark X benchmark but that doesn't mean that iPhone 5S is "best gaming phone". How "best gaming phone" can have only 4" screen and lover resolution than HD (1136 x 640)...

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:33 2

14. scriptwriter (Posts: 396; Member since: 13 Nov 2012)


Dont care what the results say. How anyone can call the iPhone5S a gaming phone (with its microscopic screen) is completely beyond me. Nexus 5 FTW!!!

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:35

16. in_core (Posts: 80; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)


They also mention iPhone 5S to the the No. #1 phone for web browsing. What a joke!
Best web surfer is a 4" display. hahaha... quite funny title

http://results.rightware.com/browsermark

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:41

17. Campdia (Posts: 2; Member since: 30 Oct 2013)


What is the different between PowerVR SGX 544MP3 in iPhone 5s and on my Galaxy S4 GT- i9500

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:46 2

19. Chris.P (Posts: 261; Member since: 27 Jun 2013)


It's not a PowerVR SGX 544MP3, it's one of its new Series 6 GPU's. Rightware has this one wrong for some reason.

posted on 31 Oct 2013, 06:03

68. YingXiong (Posts: 3; Member since: 31 Oct 2013)


Thanks, Chris. The information has been corrected on Power Board.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 09:06 1

29. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5474; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Samsung Galaxy S4 (I9500) (Exynos variant) use: PowerVR SGX 544MP3 (tri-core)

Apple iPhone 5S use: PowerVR G6430 (quad-core)

More you can read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:48 1

22. frydaexiii (Posts: 1215; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


Dammit, whether these leaks are intentional or not...they're definitely working, I WANT MY NEXUS 5 NOW!

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 08:51 1

23. 0scar1Ox (Posts: 12; Member since: 05 Oct 2013)


ME TOO!!!

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 09:36 1

36. jove39 (Posts: 1265; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Did anyone noticed wrong gpu listed for iPhone5s?

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 09:46 1

39. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 5474; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)


Yes. :)

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 10:06 3

41. jacko1977 (Posts: 388; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)


apple cheating at benchmarks just hard to find since apple os is tighter then a nuns butthole

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 10:53

50. shahrooz (Posts: 118; Member since: 17 Sep 2013)


yes they can cheat and dont get caught, but they cant cheat in increasing framerates. however they dont need to because their lower than HD resolution phone can score good framrates in onscreen benchs :). I dunno if they can cheat on offscreen framerates or not. but cheating in an onscreen framerat benchmark would be quite obvious cause you can see it with your eyes :)

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 12:48

55. Taters (Posts: 2682; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


Everyone cheats and Apple is definitely the main one but Sony is pretty close. Somehow the Z ultra with all that Sony bloat ware and 4.2 is beating the Note 3, g2, and Nexus 5 despite having the second heaviest skin and exactly the same hardware.

Apple cheating is stealthily making it seem like comparing a less than 720p screen to a full hd one is fair. And using web browser benchmarks as a cpu power gauge and hiding behind safari. Chrome vs chrome the iPhones get crushed in browser tests.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 10:50 1

49. shahrooz (Posts: 118; Member since: 17 Sep 2013)


iPhonearena:
The Nexus 5 appears to have performed well enough to win itself a spot second only to Apple's iPhone 5s, which actually isn't all that surprising seeing as the PowerVR G6430 GPU on the 5s has shown itself to be quite the performance monstrosity.

another website:
In fact, the Nexus 5 ranked as the second best gaming device in Rightware's database, only beaten by the iPhone 5s (which only has about a third of its resolution). Anyway, it seems the new Android version and Google's own optimizations matter and the Nexus 5 may have an edge over its competitors unit they get their own Android 4.4 updates.

haha :D come on guys be fair :))

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 11:16 1

51. Whateverman (Posts: 3189; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Who cares about the difference, and no is not a big difference at all! This is still great news for both phones.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 11:53

52. legend1 (Posts: 102; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


guys if u check the website it actually lists the nexus 5 3rd and xperia z ultra 2nd

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 12:23 1

53. freebee269 (Posts: 519; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)


"which actually isn't all that surprising seeing as the PowerVR G6430 GPU on the 5s has shown itself to be quite the performance monstrosity."

put the iphone 5s gpu on a 1080p screen and lets see if it has the same score as the s800. i bet you'll change your opinion.

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 14:22

56. Ninetysix (Posts: 1482; Member since: 08 Oct 2012)


I'm guessing you're not familiar with off-screen testing?

posted on 30 Oct 2013, 15:09 1

58. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3951; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)


This is offscreen testing, meaning it runs at 1080p on both devices regardless of physical resolution. Which means it is running at 1080p and is getting roughly the same score as the S800. The PowerVR Rogue series is no joke, but the smaller screen on the iPhone 5S isn't optimal for gaming.

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