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Asian OEM sees Apple's court victory leading to a 33% market share for Windows Phone

0. phoneArena 26 Aug 2012, 18:24 posted on

An unnamed Asian executive says that thanks to the jury's verdict in the Apple v. Samsung patent trial, smaller OEMs might want to diversify away from Android due to higher production costs and possible litigation from Apple...

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posted on 26 Aug 2012, 18:34 6

1. lyndon420 (Posts: 1715; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


I think this year is gonna be the worst year ever for global phone sales if microsoft is the only option for handset makers. Microsoft needs to keep Android going if they want to keep making any money.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:14 5

16. mew7946510 (Posts: 55; Member since: 10 Nov 2010)


Microsoft is already trying hard to keep up with Android in terms of feature but I don't really think it's enough. Microsoft should try having features that other platforms don't have so that it will become a major advantage on their OS.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:44 2

25. MeoCao (unregistered)


Agreed, but b-c WP8 does not have anything better than Android so I can see it has 3.3% market share, not 33%.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 21:05 4

28. smartphone (Posts: 160; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)


When android was young it doesn't have the features and power that Symbian had but we all saw what happened.
There are few things like seamless integration of services in WP that every tech reviewer praises.
I like WP to succeed so we have better choices from a healthy competition.
Still 33% is huge for may be next year itself. I guess they will reach 15% by the end of next year.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 22:01

33. MeoCao (unregistered)


Symbian killed itself with that infamous "burning platform" memo from Stephen Elop, and Android is very robust and accessible too.

I don't think Android will kill itself, neither I think WP is as robust and accessible as Android.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 01:40 2

39. Henrik (Posts: 141; Member since: 18 Feb 2012)


You don't even know what features WP8 will bring. All you have seen is the few IT and Enterprise features they were forced to reveal in good time before the launch. They have yet not shown nearly anything on the Consumer side.

The few features already shown are pretty much good enough though. On-device encryption, Trusted Platform Module, Native Code and C++, shared Windows 8 kernel, DirectX 11, etc.

This isn't WP7 anymore, so stop acting like it.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 18:37 1

2. andrew1953 (Posts: 174; Member since: 13 Nov 2011)


get a BB10-much more devoured os than the rest.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:28 3

21. baldilocks (Posts: 503; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)


devoured? huh??

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 18:47 6

3. wendygarett (unregistered)


Lol I don't think the court decision will hurt android as whole, even though I agree windows phone will increase....

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 18:50 2

4. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


33%!! That's just ridiculous. The ruling has will not have any noticeable effect on Android, and it will have barely any effect for Samsung. Windows will sure gain some market share, but to say 33% is just completely off the wall. But good luck to them, though. I know I'm going to be checking out the new WP8 phones when they surface.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:08 1

9. wendygarett (unregistered)


Windows phone market share rise from 1.6 to 3.4

Which is more than 100% increase in one year

So if 33% is true it only like 4% of the market shares only...

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:53 5

14. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


It says market share will rise to 33%, not rise 33%. Very big difference.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:22 2

18. wendygarett (unregistered)


Oops my apologies :)
Well then FAIL ANALYST!!

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:28 1

22. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5617; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


To use a phrase recently coined - the unnamed source must be smoking crack. WP is not going to have a 30% market share anytime soon.

One setback and some observers are calling the match for Apple. If Sammy loses the appeal and Google/Motorola lose their ITC case and Google is denied its Notification function patent application, then maybe Android will start to lose market share.

The smart Apple fans aren't breaking out the champaign just yet. Neither should the WP fans.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:34 1

24. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I agree. The GS3 , the latest Samsung high end phone wasnt really affected by the case.

Android is alot more the the Galaxy S line. Whoever came up with this acts like Samsung is gonna just up and stop making phones. They can still use Touchwiz, just change the things that they got sued for. Then there's stock Android...

Whoever came up with this is thinking with a very narrow mind, with blinders on. Why are ppl still thinking the case affects Android as a whole. It doesnt. The case was about Samsung, their UI and their hardware, not stock Android.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:48 3

26. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)


Sorry people, but have you read the article? It says, "over the next few years". It could be 5 to 10 years from now. No certain time. 33% is not impossible. Trust me. This is technology were talking about. Transition is fast. Today, we may see some success in samsung. Today we may see apple enjoy its suing prowess. But we can never be certain what will rise or fall OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

Motorola was once the king before nokia. Then nokia grab the crown. Now, sammy has the crown.

Symbian and Windows Mobile used to enjoy the pie. Then here comes iOS which ate most of the pie. Now, android is enjoying the pie of market shares.

We can never say never on every possibilities. 33% over the next few years is not impossible. WP has a lot of potential. Coming from an OS that's so popular in PCs, nothing is impossible. I know, android will continue to dominate the market. But we can never say that apple will never lose some shares. It's OS is stuck in the past, that it's starting to lose some followers.

Be optimistic.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:59 3

27. jroc74 (Posts: 4720; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


I do agree with this.

At one time Win Mo and BB were at the top. I thought I would never see the day when BB was scraping the bottom in market share.

Enter the iPhone.....then a few years later....enter Android.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:01 6

5. rusticguy (Posts: 2826; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Android is here to stay. Apple may continue these street side sniping for sometime but it will only help Android. So what if Samsung Copied .... not many care ...

http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2012/08/who_cares_if_samsung_copied_ap.html

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:04 3

6. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


I think Apple minded that Samsung copied, and that's what mattered.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:08

8. rusticguy (Posts: 2826; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


But Android devices prices aren't crashing despite this.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:54 2

15. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


Samsung paying a fine for copying Apple has nothing to do with Android OEM prices.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:27 6

12. Aeires (unregistered)


I don't think they did. Apple didn't file suits until Samsung had a huge lead. If they really cared about copying, they'd have filed when the first Galaxy was released.

It wasn't the copying that ticked them off, it was getting blown out of the water in sales which led to a huge drop in potential market share.

People that bought Galaxy phones didn't buy them because they wanted an iPhone, they bought them because they wanted a great Android phone.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:06 4

7. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


well for samsung a billion isnt a deal breaker, but for a drowning company like htc or for any startup, a legal attack from apple will not bode well

and I sure hope microsoft gets some decent marketshare-- them and apple seem to be a lot more friendly than either one with google

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:13

11. rusticguy (Posts: 2826; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Yes weaker one's could switch to M$ but that doesn't guaranty increase in M$ market share. Samsung still is there to stay despite these minor hiccups. These are expected in business.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:15 1

17. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


hence i said it wouldnt effect samsung.. but what about a company like htc who pays licensing fees of 15$ to microsoft anyways when they make an android phone

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:32

23. Glim12808 (Posts: 393; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


If Apple decides to collect licensing fees, maybe Android OEMs might also have to add that to the total cost of producing Android devices.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:11 2

10. sp3llv3xit (Posts: 20; Member since: 15 Sep 2011)


The simplest solution to this problem? Kill Apple.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 22:13

35. applesauce (banned) (Posts: 165; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)


Not to inspire anyone, nor condone the idea, activity, or terrorism itself, but it surprises me that there hasn't been a terrorist attack on apple's HQ. Again, I do not support nor condone the idea, but if terrorists really wanted to make an impression beyond terror and death against us "capitalist infidels" attacking (literally) the most profitable company in the world would make more sense. Again, I cannot stress this enough, I do not condone, support, nor wish to cause anyone to think in that manner.

That said I wouldn't want it to happen because then apple would be seen as a victim and people would have sympathy for them.

Again: terrorism and violence is bad. Don't do it, don't support it. this is just speculation

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 19:38 1

13. som (Posts: 768; Member since: 10 Nov 2009)


Apple will destroy every phone makers.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:24 2

20. wendygarett (unregistered)


For the last time court decision will not affect Android as whole

Don't be so dramatic :)

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 21:37

31. rusticguy (Posts: 2826; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Apple slides to 7th Position In China. Of the 69.1 million smartphones shipped in China during first half of 2012 Apple managed only 5.2 million. It's these falls that is causing bellyache in Apple quarters and they are going about suing and banning products. This high profile case has only benefited Samsung. Apple only loses more than it gains if these things continue for long.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:23 2

19. Glim12808 (Posts: 393; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


I love Windows Phone! I'm a huge fan but I personally believe the verdict between the Apple-Samsung tussle will have a marginal effect on the growth of WP. WP will have to stand in its own merit to grow market share. And all indications are pointing to WP8 as an OS that can stand shoulder to shoulder, head to head with iOS and Android. Even without the verdict, the OS would have slowly grown market share because with WP8, the platform is finally developing to maturity. But I also believe, OEMs will take more interest in producing WP8 devices. But that in itself will not mean more market share, nor even necessarily result in more market share.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 21:50 1

32. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


i think with the way the verdict went you are correct

had samsung been forced to pay licensing fees, i feel companies would shift to microsoft

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 21:16 1

29. mercorp (Posts: 967; Member since: 28 Jan 2012)


Analysts,analyse....

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 21:31

30. frydaexiii (Posts: 1215; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)


That is why I'm hoping Meego takes off. Cos if Android falls (which probably won't happen, but who knows).

1) I'm not going to buy Apple products, and I'm certainly not going to support another tech bully giant.

2) Windows Phone 8 is hideous (WP7 was ok, WP8 was just a cluster-fest), has about the same functionality of iOS or even less. And from listening to how many phone will get updated to WP8 (hear, none of them), Microsoft looks like it's going to treat WP like Windows for PC, only minor updates, but probably not big ones.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 22:03 3

34. wendygarett (unregistered)


ANDROID WILL NOT FALL!!

EVEN IF ALL OEM GIVE UP ANDROID THERE STILL MOTOROLA WHO SUPPORT GOOGLE

WHY THE HECK FANDROID NOWADAYS SO DRAMATIC!!!

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:49 3

36. applesauce (banned) (Posts: 165; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)


Nothing against android, but people said the same things about BlackBerry and Palm...

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:27 1

37. lyndon420 (Posts: 1715; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Rim and palm died off because they weren't bringing anything out that was competitive enough.

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