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As a consumer, to what extent do you value IP-certified, water- and dust-resistance in smartphones and tablets?

0. phoneArena 07 Apr 2014, 04:46 posted on

Does anyone else get the feeling that IP-certifications that ensure a given level of water- and dust-resistance have, not at all surprisingly at this point, turned into something of a yet another sales pitch? Even without you telling us, it seems safe to assume that there'll be a split in opinions...

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posted on 07 Apr 2014, 04:51 8

1. carlemillward (unregistered)

This should be a standard on all flagships, and the mini's should have the same specs other than the screen. They should be able to even with the less space, look at Sony. Hopefully HTC butterfly is, and released globally.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 04:56

2. Chris.P (Posts: 560; Member since: 27 Jun 2013)

Why ?

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:34 9

15. HansGoneInsane (unregistered)

Because I just don't want to worry about my expensive smartphone. I want to know that it can accompany me in nearly all situations. Even though I won't need that IP certification in most situations, I want to know that I have it when I need it.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 20:36

59. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

Z1 Z2 Z1s ZR sony problem solve. all waterproof phones

posted on 08 Jun 2014, 07:53

61. zacsaturday (Posts: 209; Member since: 09 May 2014)

But you can't remove the battery, the galaxy series (s4 active and s5) is the lone wolf in that aspect

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 10:00 3

42. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)

The very notion of a flagship is a platform that has the best offering of technological capabilities by the manufacturer. Best SoC, RAM, display technology, camera sensor, and, and, and. IP certification is part of an overall package. It won't make up for junk elsewhere in the 'package', but its presence is like icing on the cake of an offering that has everything else. For example, if a Nokia L1520 analog were available on VZW with IP certification, with the present dearth of compelling Android competition on VZW, I would use one of my upgrades on the L1520 analog.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 12:58 5

50. buccob (Posts: 2566; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)

I used to ignore these type of features because:
1) they used to be present in midrange smartphones or dedicated rough feature phones
2) because I though that given my day to day, I wouldn't need/use it.

BUT living in a tropical country, with beaches at 30 minutes (west) and 90 min (east) from my home, and also having a recently broken Olympus camera at the time... I needed a waterproof replacement that would allow me to safely take pictures at the beach and in all weather situations...

Also an IPx7 phone gives you a sense of security when it comes to build quality of the phone... it makes it feel sturdy and less prone to fall apart

Thats when the Xperia Acro S caught my eye, being the truly First flagship to be IP57 certified (sorry PA, it was not the Xperia Z)... and having a very good camera at the time (I have done extensive comparissons to iPhones 4, 4s, 5, SGS3, Xperia TX) so I actually took advantage of the IP certification fully...

And one thing that I love about waterproof Xperias that it is not common on other brands is the Wet Tracking displays... that actually allows me to use the display with water drops all over the screen... (it does not work underwater of course)...

So now, after almost a year and a half with this device, I have taken showers with it (browsing and listening to music at it). I have taken it to pools for pictures, to the beach also for pics and videos... and use it in the rain without worries... Very useful too in the kitchen, knowing I can wash it off...

Now this is to me the main feature when looking for a new smartphone... but it is one of those things you don't actually pay attention to, until you get it...

Kind of like when 3 years ago the most requested feature in a smartphone was to have a front facing camera... but at the same time it was one of the less used feature for the people that already got it in their phones.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 13:13

52. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 4833; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)

Could not have said it better.


posted on 07 Apr 2014, 04:58 10

3. mokhtar (Posts: 405; Member since: 06 Jan 2014)

i had the z , and now the z1 , and ip certification helps me a lot , i will begin for example in the summer , when i'am in the pool with my friends i love to take pictures and videos of us underwater , it's an incredible memories and experience .
2- when i take my shower i don't have problemes when i answear , or watching videos ( i do that a lot ) or chating in FACEBOOK , Whatsapp with my friends , thats really awsome , so ip certification it's necessary for me in any phone i would buy

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 06:16

29. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)

Its not that important to me bcoz I dont keep my phone during shower... I will prefer IP certification if it will not add extra bezel

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 07:20 1

35. marlboro (Posts: 94; Member since: 27 Mar 2014)

waiting for the z2 compact...

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:07 3

4. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

Pretty much worthless to me. If I have to deal with massive amounts of useless bezel space and flaps over all the ports, I don't want anything to do with it. I would much rather have manufacturers invest in better components than water/dust proof coatings and flaps.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:39 3

17. HansGoneInsane (unregistered)

I don't really think that IP certification causes that much of thick bezels (look at the Samsung S5 for example). The side bezels of the Z1 or Z2 are pretty thin and still they keep the smartphone water proof. I think that the top and bottom bezels are relatively thick because of the inner architecture of the device which is not necessarily related to the IP certification.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:49 3

21. vincelongman (Posts: 4431; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)

From what I've heard, Sony uses big bezels because they try to fit a 1/2.3" camera sensor in a 8mm thin body with no camera bump.
Most last 2013 flagships had 1/3.2" sensors, the S5 is 8mm has a 1/2.6" sensor and camera bump.
Z1/Z2 don't have camera bump, which is why they have put it above the screen/other components, in the bezel

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:54

24. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

The Galaxy S5 is still a lot bigger in comparison to how compact the Galaxy S4 was, despite the only very slight screen increase. Even then, it isn't water proof, only water resistant.

I have yet to see a water proof phone without large bezels, so I would assume the bezels on the Z1 and Z2 are from the water proofing.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 15:35 1

57. Ashoaib (Posts: 3229; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)

You totally forget that there is a post about Sharp the smallest bezel phone, which is infact ip57 certified. If we consider your statement correct that ip certification adds bezel then how Sharp has smallest bazels, even its smaller then none certified phones

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 15:46 1

58. Calm_down_mon (Posts: 43; Member since: 12 Dec 2013)

I have yet to see a more stupid logic than yours about large bezels, so I would assume that you have the stupidest logic on the planet.

This assumption game sure is fun.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:14

5. faizan-sharif (Posts: 97; Member since: 26 Jun 2013)

i use my cell phone taking snaps which is my need of work as well all my hands are having water , i think for me some sort other coating wud work as well but having some thing extra is alwas a plus, so i fell sony is owsum in it

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:14 1

6. SamsungELITE (unregistered)

I still prefer higher IP certification rating like IP67 on Samsung phones. The higher the IP rating the more your phone is protected. But on the other hand, it still depends on the user on how he/she takes care of his phone.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:21

9. mokhtar (Posts: 405; Member since: 06 Jan 2014)

no boy you are wrong , ip58 is more higher than ip67
ip67 is water resistance , ip58 is waterproof and dust proof ;)

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:27 6

11. AppleHateBoy (unregistered)

You are both wrong. Both are water (IPx7) and dust resistant (IP5x). But S5 is dust proof (IP6x) whereas the Sony in water proof (IPx8).

I honestly just want IPx8 certified devices. Dust resistance is useless to me.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 08:43

38. HansGoneInsane (unregistered)

And you are wrong yourself. Sony's devices are water and dust proof. Sony has IP 58 and 55 certification.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 10:31 1

44. HansGoneInsane (unregistered)

I withdraw my comment above as I misunderstood your post.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 13:06 1

51. buccob (Posts: 2566; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)

Phones with IP67 is only higher in terms of dust ingress... while IP58 is higher in terms of waterproof...

The number 5 (in the first number digits) indicates that it is possible for dust to get in some parts of the phone but it is not harmful to the device in any way...

I rather have IP58 than IP67...

though I currently have IP57 and I have abused it way over the certified tests with no problems so far...

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:14 2

7. AlanB412 (Posts: 32; Member since: 23 Jul 2012)

I haven't had a phone with IP Cert yet but it is definitely a perk I would like to have. I'd feel much more comfortable with my phone knowing that I never have to worry about it becoming water damaged, particularly in the spring and summer months when I'm wearing lighter clothing that wouldn't protect my phone well from the elements.

But while I do think it would be useful for me, it's not something that I absolutely need. If rather have a good phone with software and features I like than an IP Cert'd one that I don't really enjoy using.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:15 5

8. apple4never (Posts: 1064; Member since: 08 May 2013)

waterproofing is something i need as a photographer/adventure junkie, i love my Z1 and the under water shots i can take on the fly when i dont have my go pro with me im gonna stick with sony cuz it doesnt look like their ditching the IP certified phones any time soon

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:23

10. _Bone_ (Posts: 2154; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)

Nice extra if comfort not affected, see S5. Never badmouthed an extra feature so long it doesn't come with compromises.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:28 1

12. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3689; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)

I'm okay with it as long as it dont affect speaker loudness and giant bezels (giant as in z1 and m8, okay with s5 and z2 size). But imo all phones (except cheap chinese) come with some kind of protection atleast splash proof(like my s2-two water spills, a dunk, a tea spill).

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:36 2

16. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

How are you okay with the Z2's size and not the Z1's or M8's? Both of them are smaller than the Z2, more so with the Z1.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:47 1

20. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3689; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)

Because z2 has larger screen. See size is no issue for me, ugly large bezels that make the screen look smaller than what it is what i hate.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 06:01

26. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

The Z2 is more compact than the Z1 in terms of screen to phone ratio, but at least the M8's top and bottom bezels are used in the speakers which don't make the screen look as small as the Z1's bezels do. With the M8 I feel like I'm looking at a large screen with huge speakers, not a small screen with a huge border like with the Z1.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 07:23

36. marlboro (Posts: 94; Member since: 27 Mar 2014)

liquipel is the answer!

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:28 1

13. Goldenblls (Posts: 4; Member since: 07 Apr 2014)

Anyone who thinks IP certification is worthless obviously themselves haven't or doesn't know anyone who has ever dropped a phone in some liquid and ruined it - a large amount of cash wasted and countless photos videos lost forever.

I suspect quite a large percentage of people have lost phones this way, so anyone who can't see the value in IP certification doesn't really want to see it.

IP certified devices such as the top end Xperia phones and tablets are amongst the slimmest devices in their class so they're not always bulky either.

Underwater photography at the pool is always fun - nothing wrong with having that option and relaxing in a warm bath whilst watching a movie is heaven.

I've lost previous phone through water damage just from the steam in the bathroom. I wasn't happy about that.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:42

18. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

I've lost a phone to water, and I still think IP certification is useless. That's what your warranty/insurance and backups are for.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 06:18

30. Goldenblls (Posts: 4; Member since: 07 Apr 2014)

What, you feel safe using your phone to make a call in the rain, for instance? Also, not all insurance / warranties will cover against water damage.

If someone worked outdoors, around a pool or in a dusty environment, such as a factory, then surely you can see the benefit in that situation.

Or you might think electronics should be banned from such environments?

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:32

14. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 2275; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)

I could care less of iP-certification , I never came close to dropping my phone in water, or being caught in a desert storm

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:46

19. MacWiNux (Posts: 119; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)

its worth it for me since already with sudden rains and outdoor water activities :D

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:51

22. iluvsonynokia (Posts: 144; Member since: 27 Aug 2013)

sony should release phone with and without ip certification,so that some more peoples can enjoy that phone with reduced price tag

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 07:11

34. techperson211 (Posts: 1230; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)

Their mid range phone are not ip certified . I thought you love Sony as your name suggest? Why do you not know about their mid range phones?

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:52 1

23. patric (Posts: 9; Member since: 14 Oct 2013)

Should' be standard

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 05:57

25. Scomii (Posts: 25; Member since: 22 Nov 2013)

Big plus for me. Away with the bezel stuff iphone 5s has no ip certification but its got BEZEL!!

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 06:09

27. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3689; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)

Same with m8 ugly huge bezels.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 06:13

28. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3718; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)

Everything is a massive plus when it's there in a phone. So taking pics and videos or using it for calls, chats, etc. @ any water body is obviously good to have.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 06:37

31. Tsepz_GP (Posts: 987; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)

Nice extra, I've been using phones for well over a decade and not once have I had one fall in water, or have some sort of water damage, so I've become so used to being careful that IP Cert. isn't a must for now, at the same time it's becoming a standard in top end so I now expect it in my next phone.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 06:39

32. Dude2014 (Posts: 439; Member since: 12 Feb 2014)

I don't care

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 07:02

33. techperson211 (Posts: 1230; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)

A must for me. Especially if you live in a tropical country. Where there's rainy season and summer only.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 08:29

37. kaikuheadhunterz (Posts: 1157; Member since: 18 Jul 2013)

The way I use my phone, it's pretty useless, but still a nice luxury

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 08:54

39. jellmoo (Posts: 1590; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)

If it contributes to overall device size, which seems to be the case for both the Z2 and S5, then I absolutely do not want it. If waterproofing is high on your list, there are cases that will do that for me. Making devices unwieldy to accomplish this feat is simply not worth it.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 08:58

40. isergio04 (Posts: 5; Member since: 25 Dec 2013)

Honestly I doubt I will be able to trust a handset that is less than IP57, Both my Xperia Z and Z1S have performed perfectly when having liquid spilled on them. Also, as someone who runs often, and encounters rain/snow it is nice to have the safety-net.

Likewise is is cool to have a Bluetooth Speaker in the bathroom and control the music in the shower....

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 09:41

41. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)

If everyone looks at how much money they spend on over price Otter box case 90$ compare to IP CERTIFIED u save lots.of money and don't have to buy a new phone. Just glad I have the Z1 and hope the BIG fruit won't patent IP CERTIFIED

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 10:31

43. dbdrummer88 (Posts: 29; Member since: 24 Feb 2014)

I'm sure this will become a more common feature of all phones, especially because kids seem to keep getting phones at a younger age (which is stupid). This would help to keep phones lasting longer and more prone to working after spills and accidents. I am sure parents would appreciate this, for those that buy their kids smartphones.
Personally, although I would never use my phone underwater, I like to not have to worry about anything when using my phone. It's a bonus feature.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 11:28

45. srgonu (Posts: 251; Member since: 13 Feb 2012)

Compared to HTC one m8, z2 has lesser bezzels I think

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 11:43

46. jroc74 (Posts: 6005; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)

It doesnt have to be certified...but I do prefer water resistance.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 11:55

47. PK1983 (Posts: 215; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)

Nice to know I can take the phone to the beach and listen to music or take a picture without sand getting in it or it getting wet. No reason why waterproofing should not be the standard for flagships and if fact for all but the cheapest phones out there.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 12:01

48. erikiksaz (Posts: 170; Member since: 22 Apr 2010)

I'm not the type of idiot that drops my phone in the toilet. And I've never had any issues with dust. So all the port covers would serve to annoy the hell out of me. And I don't think the mast majority of those who voted FOR these "features" realizes how much of a PITA the port covers can be.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 12:40

49. HildyJ (Posts: 294; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)

First, there are different levels of IP certification. I expect my phone to handle rainfall (IP2).

As far as showers or immersion, if the choice is between that and just about any other feature, I'll choose just about any other feature. If the choice is between paying extra and not paying extra, I'll choose not paying extra.

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 13:30

53. jinxtabator (Posts: 20; Member since: 19 May 2013)

water resistant with minimal bezels: IP57-certified-Sharp-Aquos-Xx-302Sh (article on today's phonearena). in this instance useful as I'd be drooling all over it :)'''

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 14:21

54. RandomUsername (Posts: 808; Member since: 29 Oct 2013)

I like to go outside, so I need a waterproof phone :)

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 14:56

55. milos (Posts: 59; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)

I walk on the snow, rain, beach, and my son will spill that glass of water over the table where i might put my phone.

Absolute must if possible. Glad that it is!

posted on 07 Apr 2014, 15:00

56. fuelband (Posts: 28; Member since: 19 Jul 2013)

A flagship should be IP certified. It is the TOTL model after all.

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