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Ari Partinen, one of Nokia's PureView camera gurus, leaves for Apple

0. phoneArena 09 May 2014, 09:02 posted on

Meet Ari Partinen. He is one of the camera experts who are responsible for the Nokia N8, which came with a spectacular camera for its time period, the Nokia 808 PureView, which featured a stellar 41MP snapper on its back, and almost every PureView-equipped Nokia smartphone, such as the Lumia 920, 1020, 1520, and the Icon...

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posted on 09 May 2014, 09:06 3

1. CX3NT3_713 (Posts: 1837; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)


Smh.. Sellout..

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:13 12

2. Ashoaib (Posts: 1975; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


Everyone is looking for better opportunities, so good to switch the job... apple really need some one in camera department... but the problem with apple is they always use midrange specs in the phone to make huge profits...

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:37 4

18. dontneedtoknow (Posts: 147; Member since: 17 Feb 2014)


Yet it works perfectly amazing!

posted on 09 May 2014, 10:58 3

34. nexusdude (Posts: 149; Member since: 22 Aug 2013)


Ha! Liar.

posted on 09 May 2014, 11:59 4

41. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 924; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


"mid-range specs"? The A7 is the best ARM processor in a device you can buy, or will be able to buy, until the A7x/A8 starts shipping, the screen is a one of the highest rated by Display Mate, the camera is one of the best rated by DxO photography, and the chassis is more expensive to make than anything outside the Vertu line. I would hate to see what constitutes high-end specs, but be sure to let us know when that finally hits the shelves.

posted on 09 May 2014, 13:17 1

45. Ashoaib (Posts: 1975; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


Galaxy S5 cost more to manufacture than iphone, this is for your kind information, expensive chassis boy... search an article about gs5's manufacturing cost on this very same sitewww.phonearena.com... iphone production cost is also mentioned there.... only the processor make it high end?? You forget about cheap small screen, 1gb ram for cost cutting... 8mp for cost cutting and many more, list goes on n on... only good part is that apple is able to use all midrange specs very efficiently

posted on 09 May 2014, 20:19 1

56. Finalflash (Posts: 1736; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)


Yea....but all of those were the same things used in 2010...so none of that is "good". Plus, when you say one of the highest rated, it literally is the lowest among the high end of smartphones (but better than the mid/low level stuff). Also, Vertu SUUUCCKSS in all ways, including build quality. Comparing to them is literally saying you have no attention to detail and are severely influenced by marketing fluff.

posted on 09 May 2014, 21:09

59. Arte-8800 (Posts: 4281; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


The best I say and powerful is the Eyxnos 5422 at 22nm and Tegra5

On let say we take the A7 Soc and it tries to push Android high end device and see what happens

Even Baytrail by Intel is better

Forget about pipelines we are talking about raw power and torque which A15 needs lots of battery May like 4000mah

posted on 10 May 2014, 17:06

64. desniper9 (Posts: 37; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


define midrange. The A7 despite having less cores and a lower clock speed still manages to keep up with snapdragon 800's in benchmarks. The camera is competitive with other flagships. It's screen is one of the best calibrated screens in the industry despite it's meagre size. People have to realise that some people (i.e most iOS and even android users) don't care about specs. The only complain I hear from non tech people are about Apple maps and it's screen size

posted on 09 May 2014, 12:41 1

44. jroc74 (Posts: 4731; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Uh oh...Seems like those amazing cameras that Nokia phones have wont be so exclusive to Nokia anymore....

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:13 9

3. Jobayer (Posts: 96; Member since: 22 Feb 2013)


dam them Apple making the right move !!!

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:17 4

8. sip1995 (Posts: 810; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


They can't have pure view cameras.

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:48 8

19. Felix_Gatto (Posts: 488; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


You're right, Apple focused in quality not quantity(pixel count).

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:50 2

20. sip1995 (Posts: 810; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


Raw photography.

posted on 09 May 2014, 10:21 3

27. papss (unregistered)


Why is it that Apple can't topple the 1020 in camera comparos if it's only an out quality?

posted on 09 May 2014, 10:39 3

30. Felix_Gatto (Posts: 488; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


Because Nokia focused in both quality and quantity.

posted on 09 May 2014, 20:21

57. Finalflash (Posts: 1736; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)


So it can be done, just that you choose to hail a company that chooses not to. With the amount of money Apple has and makes, I am pretty sure they could easily make it happen. Unfortunately there is no consumer push from the docile Apple crowd so why would they (although, Nokia pretty much did without being prodded for it).

posted on 10 May 2014, 17:08

65. desniper9 (Posts: 37; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)


at the expense of usability

posted on 09 May 2014, 14:46

47. tech2 (Posts: 2045; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)


more hump = better camera

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:14 3

4. FriendsOfSamsung (unregistered)


Looks like Nokia is ran out of red, and he decided to jump another turf to spill the red

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:27 11

15. KillerKeyboard (Posts: 307; Member since: 21 Nov 2013)


And you look like you've ran out of jokes.

posted on 09 May 2014, 16:33 3

51. sbw44 (Posts: 389; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)


He is the joke

posted on 09 May 2014, 20:21 1

58. Finalflash (Posts: 1736; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)


Joke....? I thought he was having a stroke.

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:14 3

5. SportDriver (Posts: 30; Member since: 07 Nov 2012)


Not very happy but I believe Nokia(MS) still has enough photo experts.
There is just one thing about article, how is MS sinking ship ? I believe MS has enough money to run Mobile business for long time. I think he is leaving to quickly.

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:22 1

10. wideallyphan (Posts: 15; Member since: 09 May 2014)


yeah that sinking ship comment was really unnecessary.

posted on 09 May 2014, 17:10 2

52. nokia12 (Posts: 323; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)


even their head also known as Camera Guru - Damian Deming left the company after 808..

point is no true "Nokian" likes Microsoft at all and hence they are leaving..

there are many more unannounced resignations soon to be followed..

Microsoft and eflop killed Nokia..

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:15 7

6. akki20892 (Posts: 3438; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


Nokia sold device business so they gone. I hope all nokia's engineers join nokia again whenever Nokia start new and fresh mobile business.
Waiting to see what suri will do after 2 yrs.
Waiting for Nokia back in mobile and make N-series N10 powered by Android.

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:19 6

9. akki20892 (Posts: 3438; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


And nokia don't have to worry, because there r many smart people still there in finland.

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:33 3

16. Ashoaib (Posts: 1975; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


Good point

posted on 09 May 2014, 15:56 4

50. corporateJP (Posts: 1555; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


And, it starts.

I said some time ago, much of that Nokia talent won't be working for Microsoft for long, if at all.

posted on 09 May 2014, 17:16 6

53. nokia12 (Posts: 323; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)


i also said this when their Main "Camera Guru" Damian Daming left Nokia..

Microsoft Mobile is now just another mobile manufacturing company .. there is nothing great about them .. anyone who thinks they will get the same Nokia like Innovation is just not thinking straight..

Many have left in these past 3 years many more will leave once the transfer of employees is complete or until they get better jobs

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:55 5

23. Felix_Gatto (Posts: 488; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


Why Android? Nokia still can beat Samsung and Apple with Symbian or Meego, considering that both OS are far more mature than WP.

posted on 09 May 2014, 10:20 1

26. papss (unregistered)


Lol you mean Apple's app store is more mature? Nothing about ios is all that mature other than the apps

posted on 09 May 2014, 10:35 3

29. Felix_Gatto (Posts: 488; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


I didn't mention Apple's App Store, the point of my comment is Nokia will have a better chance against Samsung and Apple if they stay with Symbian or Meego because Symbian and Meego are far more mature OS than WP.

posted on 09 May 2014, 10:54

31. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2003; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)


"Symbian and Meego are far more mature OS than WP"
Are you ok dude? Symbian was laggy and outdated looking. Meego was buggy and DOA. WP on the other hand is smooth, modern looking and has ton more features and apps than those two platforms COMBINED. WP might not be as feature rich as Android, but it works right and is a trillion times better than Symbian, Meego or any other OS Nokia used in the past.

posted on 09 May 2014, 10:58 4

33. Felix_Gatto (Posts: 488; Member since: 03 Jul 2013)


Symbian and Meego will be a better OS than WP if only Eflop didn't sabotage their developments.

posted on 09 May 2014, 11:16 2

35. The13thKing (banned) (Posts: 849; Member since: 26 Feb 2014)


so now they're sabotaged, the best for nokia is to go with android, why spend hundred of millions on developers and dead projects while they can just get a ready superb and always fresh OS in android. Just like Samsung did and ate the world in 2 years.

posted on 09 May 2014, 11:26 2

37. akki20892 (Posts: 3438; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


agree with that....go with Android is perfect and profitable choice.

posted on 09 May 2014, 11:30

39. NokiaFTW (Posts: 2003; Member since: 24 Oct 2012)


Nokia is not Samsung. They don't bank on the success of others for their own success. They don't copy fruit companies. Nokia create their own success. Although they were bought out by MS, one can only see this as a great thing since now they're free to create even more awesome hardware and camera technology thanks to the big pockets of Microsoft and with WP8.1, they've supposedly caught up with Android & iOS in terms of features. I'm looking forward to the great combo of MS money & software plus Nokia hardware and camera.

posted on 09 May 2014, 23:35 3

61. The13thKing (banned) (Posts: 849; Member since: 26 Feb 2014)


lol man .. and look where nokia is now and look at samsung, I don't want to start a fanboy war ,, but this makes you wonder which company made the right decision and which didn't. Samsung relied on Google and created their success using android, advertisements and reliable hardware, and also used the Nokia strategy of covering up every segment in the market. we all know Nokia should have done that instead of Samsung. They have a new chance 2 years from now though and hope they'll take it this time

posted on 11 May 2014, 01:02

66. jroc74 (Posts: 4731; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


This pretty much kills any argument any one has about Nokia not doing Android...if anything they should have done Android before Samsung....

posted on 09 May 2014, 11:27 4

38. akki20892 (Posts: 3438; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


Symbian do have more features, I used N8 and I know what is differences between wp and symbian.

posted on 09 May 2014, 12:21 4

43. -box- (Posts: 3786; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Technically Symbian had/has more features (I still miss USB OTG, for instance), and both in their raw form are natively the most capable mass-market mobile OSes yet made, but didn't have the identity, momentum, financial support, or developer support (more applicable to MeeGo than Symbian) needed to remain competitive. And don't blame Elop, he's the public face, voice, and figurehead of the Board of Directors, doing what they directed, otherwise they would have sacked him.

posted on 09 May 2014, 15:18

48. jroc74 (Posts: 4731; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


WP is closer with features vs Meego and Symbian....finally....after the 8.1 update.

Smooth and modern doesnt make up for the lack of features from Win Mo and other platforms mentioned.

posted on 09 May 2014, 13:28

46. elitewolverine (Posts: 1569; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)


Mature?

You mean how Cisco ditched Symbian? How no one wanted to license it because of all the issues from tools to the OS it was having?

Meego? How is that going...Nokia tried to get other companies to buy it as well. Couldnt. At least not to major players. There is a reason they ditched it.

Feature rich? Sure but again, that doesnt define a smart phone. If you blame elop then you seriously are lacking in the history of both symbian and meego's trials/errors/issues that were there before ELOP ever stepped in.

posted on 09 May 2014, 21:15 1

60. Arte-8800 (Posts: 4281; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


That WP platform is a joke and sucks with hardly no apps and games

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:16 9

7. sip1995 (Posts: 810; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


NOKIA OWNS PURE VIEW TECHNOLOGY, NO ONE CAN USE IT.

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:23 6

11. akki20892 (Posts: 3438; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


I agree.

Nokia still have Research center, and it has smart engineers.

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:24 2

13. wideallyphan (Posts: 15; Member since: 09 May 2014)


who says that?

they just hired a guy who has a lot of expierence in mobile imaging.

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:26 4

14. joey_sfb (Posts: 2905; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Pure view is as good as retina trademark using Samsung, LG and Sharp LCD screen.

Fools!

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:37 3

17. AJagtiani (Posts: 460; Member since: 24 Apr 2014)


Begone troll.

posted on 09 May 2014, 23:36

62. The13thKing (banned) (Posts: 849; Member since: 26 Feb 2014)


+1 mate.

posted on 09 May 2014, 10:18 5

24. Ashoaib (Posts: 1975; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


Everyone can use it by purchasing a nokia handset :p

posted on 09 May 2014, 15:39

49. jroc74 (Posts: 4731; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Maybe you mean no can use it freely? Nokia wont license it out to folks?

Or do you mean you dont want anyone else using it?

At the same time...I dont know if Google bought or licensed any Palm patents...but there are some things from WebOS in Android now after they hired a former WebOS guru.

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:24 2

12. sergiobr (Posts: 416; Member since: 25 Feb 2013)


Nokia "Sinking ship" hell yes ! Wp R.I.P., my 808 still rock during running ! With my Note 3 for the rest. Good move Apple ! Just change the name of Pure View and take it to Apple and sue the rest of the world.

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:52 4

22. sip1995 (Posts: 810; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


It's not only the name, they can't use Nokia's image algorithms....if u know what I mean.

posted on 09 May 2014, 10:23

28. sergiobr (Posts: 416; Member since: 25 Feb 2013)


Just change the code ! I do it all day long lol.

posted on 09 May 2014, 11:30 2

40. sip1995 (Posts: 810; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


Not so simple.

posted on 09 May 2014, 09:51

21. boosook (Posts: 992; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)


I'm wondering why Google missed this opportunity!

posted on 09 May 2014, 10:20 1

25. PBXtech (Posts: 977; Member since: 21 Oct 2013)


WTH, didn't this guy have a no compete clause in his contract?

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