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Apple's win may be a good thing for Android

0. phoneArena 25 Aug 2012, 16:41 posted on

Let's start out by facing a few facts: first, Apple's win over Samsung was big, but it is not spelling out doom for Android any more than it is likely to catapult Apple to being the smartphone leader again. Second, the ruling was much more a loss for Samsung...

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posted on 25 Aug 2012, 16:47 5

1. PAPINYC (banned) (Posts: 2315; Member since: 30 Jul 2011)

All this 'inappropriate' talk has me iHorny.
BTW, jolly good artiCle:)

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 16:50 2

2. tsspro (Posts: 21; Member since: 18 Jan 2010)

The is just the beginning, Samsung will definitely do more that just an iPhone like. They will have to speed up their inovation.http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=kJEHp15Hoo0

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 16:52 6

3. Orbitman (Posts: 110; Member since: 09 Oct 2011)

good article, as always, Michael!

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:00 3

4. ajac09 (Posts: 1481; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)

All this lawsuit means is now everyone will be aiming for apple . And google/moto has started this

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:06 5

7. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)

i think that started a long time ago...

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:00 12

5. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)

as usual a great article although i will defend that the touchwiz ui on the s2 and especially the s3 are quite good and not ios like ie not all icons are in box

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:02 3

6. smallworld (Posts: 484; Member since: 13 Jul 2012)

Seriously getting bored by these articles.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:07 5

8. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)

well each tech sites will have there own articles similar like this...would be stupid as a tech site not to have an article on this topic but i agree it is getting a bit too much especially the articles that claim doom and gloom for android

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:12 6

12. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4275; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)

Then don't read it... Problem solved. No one is forcing you to read it, or make a comment saying how bored you are of these articles.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 02:15

66. AndroidShiz (Posts: 154; Member since: 08 Nov 2011)

Having some wine and cheese are you?

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:10 4

10. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)

nice concise article. However I dont agree with RIM or WP picking up "samsungs drop" for a few reasons. First, banning US only SGS1 variants will have little effect on samsung's over all sales as most are already D/C'ed. All of their newer phones from the last few years use at least the version of TW found on the SGS2 which was found to be non infringing, so the vast majority of Samsung's sales are safe. Also, if RIM licence out phones, Samsung is likely to make one to diversify, which would pick up any slack from those SGS1 variants being banned.. and since they make WP phones as well, any uptick in WP sales is likely to help in some sort as well.

We'll see how many of those patent infringements hold up on appeals. I'm still surprised the P2Z and multitouch (which is required for P2Z) held up with all that prior art and tech proving its existence years before the iphone and apple patents.. Most everything else has been taken care of a long time by android except that.

Other than expecting at least one of them to be tossed by appeal, my main hope for the googerola-apple court fight is that googs laywers scare apple enough with what every they are bringing to make apple want to come to amicable (net zero cost for both sides) cross licencing terms and stop these stupid lawsuits for good.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:12 4

11. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)

very nice article.. i really do believe that android's sale wont be hurt..only samsung's...

i really do believe that samsung really needs to change touchwiz to a different UI.. all samsung phone products has this UI the bada has touchwiz that really looks like a mock up iOS... even the upcoming (or samsung even care about this) TIZEN.. really looks like a mock up version of iOS, android and bada... they need to replace touchwiz..

so i hope sony and motorola will be on top list again.. i just love their products..

and if this will really make an opening to BB and WP.. it will be a great!!!

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 18:44 7

23. Aeires (unregistered)

Don't be surprised if people buy Samsung's products in protest of Apple. The sales of the Galaxy Nexus jumped after Apple banned it, and that was minor to what happened here.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 22:08 3

30. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)

people even consider samsung and apple the same now.. haha.. i read some articles/post on g+...

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:12 1

13. zackh121556 (Posts: 101; Member since: 01 Feb 2012)

PhoneArena was the ones saying it was a win on Android. dont try to flip it now. PhoneArena has always been for iOS no matter the topic. Android will be the king for a long time. deal with it! Also, I am not an Android fan boy, I use an Android device because it is the best for my lifestyle. love the OS and would never switch

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:20

14. AndroidVsApple (Posts: 12; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)

Wow just wow.... Was hoping Samsung would win but let my hopes go too high (again)

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:23 3

15. roscuthiii (Posts: 2217; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)

Simplification and minimization is a natural evolution of technology and a necessity when it comes to consumers and the market. As is using previous products, both in-house and competitors', as the building blocks with which to innovate upon to give the consumers what they want.
What Apple is in the end saying, and being given on a silver platter, is that they are the only ones allowed to do that.
The precedent set here is no good for anyone.

Absolutely everything, every single damn thing Apple has now, was built on the back of someone else's work, improved upon, and then polished.
And that is exactly what Samsung did. Took what made the iPhone a selling point for the consumers, and made it better in their eyes, for the majority of their market.

Where the hell would Mankind be today if there were lawyers and patents, trademarks, & copyrights ages ago?
"Ug, no! No no no! Ug, you wheel no be circle. You no copy me. Ug, you use oval, or square, or triangle. No use circle, copycat."

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:35 3

16. dragonstkdgirl (Posts: 144; Member since: 07 Apr 2012)

The only problem I see with this is give an inch take a mile - if Apple is awarded over a billion dollars in damages over a black rectangle with rounded corners and a green phone icon with rounded corners, what next? That's a damn big payout for a relatively quick trial. And since it worked the first time, there's going to be a team of Apple employees and lawyers digging for more patents and more companies to sue...

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:38 1

17. AndroidVsApple (Posts: 12; Member since: 01 Jul 2012)

i Saw this website


Based what im looking at They dont look the same at all The Galaxy Tab 10.1 Doesnt even look Nothing at to the iPad. The Galaxy Tab is used at Landscape mode. The iPad is potrait mode.. And To be Honest The Galaxy Tab Looks 10x More better than the Scrunched iPad.. AND Also The Galaxy Tab is more Open and Free Because its Android.. it got banned due to Apple (dumbasses) Who Noticed Apples OS Hasent Changed at ALL since it was Released in 2007? Android is Far from better than iOS Because Theres no hassle on jailbreaking it unlike the iPad..
i Rather go with The Galaxy Tab to do Everything And The iPad Just Leave it as Decoration cause theres nothing good about it like the iPod and iPhone (in my opinion)

This Means Theres Less Android Products from Samsung i bet due to Apple.. Plus Where i live. (Close to) One Year ago When the 4S was Just Released There used to be more iPhones than Samsung Devices... Now Ever since the Nexus and the Galaxy S III Was Released i started to see More Galaxy S III or Galaxy S Devices where i live now.. Strange that now i see Less iDevices but eh. i dont care at all its everyones opinion..

CORRECT Me if im Wrong on all of this

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:36

59. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2703; Member since: 26 May 2011)

The jury didn't find the Galaxy Tab to be in violation of Apple's iPad patents. It was only the smartphones.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 17:58 1

18. wendygarett (unregistered)

I think Samsung should delete all the 2010 document in the 1st place so that Apple can shut up

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 18:03 4

19. allen83 (Posts: 107; Member since: 01 Mar 2012)

agreed they should not copy from ios they can be unique if they think really hard enough. Look at the N9 very very nice and unique swipe UI. I really love the swipe UI of the N9u

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 19:35 2

25. Mitchel (Posts: 228; Member since: 25 May 2012)

As much as i like Samsung products, i had International SGS2 & now the SGS3, you can't deny the fact that they copied the iPhone 3gs design on SGS1 and iPhone 4 on Galaxy Ace.. They are deserved to be punished! They need to go back on the drawing board, hire a great design team, choose more premium materials for their next flagship and move on!

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 23:05 1

33. MartyK (Posts: 816; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


Apple has rip off everyone idea, the whole Iphone (from the name to the parts) design came from other company.. you Iphone is a mix of

LG Prade+Nokia N900 commuincator+Neonode N1M+Xerox = Iphone

Oh yea, did I mention the stole the NAME Iphone too...hahaha

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 20:43 1

26. denied911 (banned) (Posts: 361; Member since: 31 May 2012)

this is bullcrap
look at converse all stars, classic chucks
how many companys is making knockoffs of this design?
from cheap chinese to 3 times more expensive gino rossi and many many more
no one is suing anyone!
apple is crazy and stupid americans love apple

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:21

57. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)

I can't believe you compared technology to clothing twice in the same article. Wow.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 00:25

64. denied911 (banned) (Posts: 361; Member since: 31 May 2012)

i don't believe that you didn't realize it is the same comment!!!
copy paste dumbass

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 05:46

68. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)

That's the point, tool.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 21:20

29. RomeoJDR (Posts: 244; Member since: 09 Dec 2011)

Great article! Certainly a different twist than all the doom and gloom for Android articles that everyone else seems to be writing

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 22:10 5

31. MartyK (Posts: 816; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)


I've never disagree with you much, but on this I must.

To me, the media reporters refuse to call out Apple BS patent for what they are BS.

If you look at each and every patents you listed, I can show you PRIOR arts or a computer that was doing this.

So the power to be, send their lap dogs out to try to calm the people who's been messing with computer langague-cellphone-computer-electronic for years.... sad thing when suppose to be computer experts sell themself... Lady Lovelace, I know is turning in her grave

So please don't insult our intelligent with some BS about all is not lost..this whole TRIAL has been nothing but a sham and all about Apple Stock holders...

If this case was held in any other Country in the world, Apple would had LOST big time, and anybody who's been fooling with computers since 1975 knows this!.


posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:44

60. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2703; Member since: 26 May 2011)

I have called out BS patents a number of times (search for "patently" on PA). I have called out the USPTO about BS patents (http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-USPTO-Patentin​g-logical-conclusions-since-1790_id25234). I've called for the entire BS system to stop (http://www.phonearena.com/news/Why-the-Patent-Col​d-War-needs-to-end_id20914). And, if you missed it, I linked 3X to the EFF's page calling for total patent reform. You don't need to tell me about BS patents.

But the point stands that according to the law as it exists right now, Apple won fair and square, and it really wasn't that close. And, according to the law as it stands today, Apple's win doesn't really mean that much for the Android ecosystem at large.

So, what exactly are you disagreeing with?

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 23:34

35. skymitch89 (Posts: 1299; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)

I've got thoughts and comments but I'm getting tired of trying to type them out on a lot of these posts, so I'm going to stop commenting.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:45

61. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2703; Member since: 26 May 2011)

I think you failed in that endeavor, what with typing this comment...

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 00:29 1

36. Spylake (Posts: 1; Member since: 26 Aug 2012)

The EFF is one way. I chose another. A Samsung Galaxy SIII for each member of the family. We've bought our last Apple product.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 01:36

38. GuiltyBystander (Posts: 199; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)


posted on 26 Aug 2012, 02:43

39. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)

Quote : "We certainly won't see this sort of lawsuit go against HTC, because the Sense UI bears no resemblance to iOS, and the same goes for MotoBlur, Sony's Timescape, or Google's stock Android UI".
- That's a very good point.. :)

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 09:39

45. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)

As long as they (Sony/HTC/Moto et al) all do not climb up on market share charts to the extent that the figures start PINCHING Apple's butt to Zoom the fall in sales of iDevice ... that's the time when apple will sue everyone. Itr's not just bUI. They will find some other stupid patented stuff to base their claim for few more billions for nothing.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 03:40 1

40. redmd (Posts: 1268; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)

I'd hope to find the tl;dr at the bottom in every article written by Michael.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 10:24

46. paulyyd (Posts: 338; Member since: 08 Jan 2011)


posted on 26 Aug 2012, 23:47

62. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2703; Member since: 26 May 2011)

Those usually only pop up when I cross the 1200 word barrier. This piece came in under.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 04:21 1

41. jove39 (Posts: 1857; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)

Die hard android fan here...don't mind apple's win...if it results in exit of Samsung's TWz! I've been running aokp on my SGS1 & SGS2 and love stock ICS experience.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 06:49 1

42. paynekiller (Posts: 139; Member since: 24 May 2010)

I'm no iPhone fan, I'd never get one. But even I will admit I've been watching how Samsungs have been looking very iPhoney since the Samsung Instinct and I don't think they were even being discrete about it, it was almost blatant. Touchwiz is the UI on android that I hate the most after motoblur, simply because it looks far too much like an iPhone and it disgusts me.
So, maybe now we can see better UI design from Samsung, even tho the latest TW on the SGS3 is much improved imo, they still need a change.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 10:33

47. rihel_95 (Posts: 301; Member since: 21 Mar 2012)


posted on 26 Aug 2012, 11:44 2

50. tmcr7 (Posts: 180; Member since: 02 Nov 2011)

That bounceback effect has been present since time immemorial in Microsoft Powerpoint animation options. Unfortunately, this jury is composed of Aunts and Grandpops who calls any other touch screen phone an iPhone.

posted on 26 Aug 2012, 20:24

58. AndroidShiz (Posts: 154; Member since: 08 Nov 2011)

I don't exactly know what's going on with some of the fashion patents and all this other crazy stuff that some people are typing about on here, but although I absolutely loathe Apple now and everything they stand for, I do remember not liking the old school Galaxy S because it looked too much like an iPhone. At that time I did not know anything about Android but I did not buy that phone because it looked like that. I remember leaving iPhone because it looked like an iPhone. I sure as heck didn't want my Android looking like one. That is why I became a complete HTC fan at the time. After I bought an HTC phone I did see in the market that there were these apps called home replacement apps that I did not know about, so I started buying skins to even cover up the HTC Sense after awhile. Now that there is Jelly Bean there's no way I could go for another UI besides stock Android. B4 coming to this sane conclusion concerning Android UI, I did start buying Galaxy phones (Infuse/S2) because there was good skin covers to buy in the market that covered up the ugly TouchWiz. I hate TouchWiz/Blur etc as much as I hate Apple and I wish them ill will. If it were not for being able to download launchers like Nova Launcher, I'd never buy a Galaxy S+ phone. Although right now I have a Galaxy Nexus and I have no plans to ever buy anything but Nexus tablets/phones from here on out.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 02:20

67. AndroidShiz (Posts: 154; Member since: 08 Nov 2011)

Look- the main thing that we need to remember is that "Apple sucks" that's it, keep it simple, get the bumper sticker and a t-shirt.

posted on 27 Aug 2012, 07:09

70. soelex (Posts: 1; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)

IRT " technical patents that could pose a problem", it isn't really, since the desired features can be reprogrammed via different implementation.

(a) The bounce-effect is already non-existence in newer Samsung phones. Replaced with blue highlight.

(b) Someone else commented that pinch-to-zoom can readily be replaced, i.e. sliders, +/- buttons, or if one is still inclined to use motion gestures, clockwise/counterclockwise.

(c) The double-tap zoom can also be changed to a button/icon or press-hold action.

posted on 29 Aug 2012, 04:08

71. Baldguy (Posts: 1; Member since: 29 Aug 2012)

Well close but not quite there, you guys need to read the extract below then jump over towww.groklaw.net for the full story

Jury in Apple v. Samsung Goofed, Damages Reduced -- Uh Oh. What's Wrong With this Picture? ~pj Updated 5Xs

Saturday, August 25 2012 @ 11:30 AM EDT

Late in the process yesterday at the Apple v. Samsung trial, when the parties and the judge were reviewing the jury verdict form, Samsung noticed that there were, indeed, inconsistencies in the jury's verdict form, a possibility Samsung anticipated [PDF]. Here's the jury's Amended Verdict Form [PDF], amended to fix the mistakes. Here's the original [PDF]. Here's the note [PDF] the jury sent to the judge when told to fix the inconsistencies. What are they, they asked? "Please let the jury know," they wrote in the only note ever sent in their deliberations, "of the inconsistencies we are supposed to deliberate on."
In two instances, results were crazily contradictory, and the judge had to have the jury go back and fix the goofs. As a result the damages award was reduced to $1,049,343,540, 1 down from $1,051,855,000. For just one example, the jury had said one device didn't infringe, but then they awarded Apple $2 million for inducement. In another they awarded a couple of hundred thousand for a device they'd ruled didn't infringe at all"

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