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Apple's thermonuclear legal strategy scores a big win

0. phoneArena 24 Aug 2012, 17:00 posted on

The verdict is in, and Apple racked up more than $1 billion in damages against Samsung, although it failed to protect the design of the iPad/iPad 2, and probably won't be able to get injunctions against as many devices as it had hoped...

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posted on 24 Aug 2012, 21:06 2

185. lyndon420 (Posts: 4560; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Only a billion? I'm sure Sammy made way more than that from the sales of the infringing products..

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 21:08 3

186. Obdabeast (Posts: 41; Member since: 01 Jan 2012)


those jurers are sooo lame.. why have a panel of jurers who don't understand a thing about smartphones... apple represents everything wrong with america and this society.. they make billions yet they want more, they steal from others but blame everyone else, they mistreat their workers who are killing themselves because of it, yet act like they are the best thing that's happened since the type writers.. if apple is a TRUE american company.. then their factories should be here in america. not saying that Samsung isn't in the wrong but their products are far superior end of story!! that's why apple needs them! .. I work in the cell phone industry so I know what I'm talking about.. and apple is literally a simple minded phone for those who are simple minded.. that being said it's if you don't understand what Im saying.. sheep.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 21:15

187. Sackboy117 (Posts: 178; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)


True, older people generally don't care about smartphones. I wonder what kind of phones they had though.

Well actually, the majority of the people usually just go with the flow (iPhone) and have a minimum care about the specs and stuff. I don't think it's a problem though but if people did care, then there would be more of a variety in the consumer's choices.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 23:02 1

201. plethora (Posts: 7; Member since: 24 Aug 2012)


Hi Sackboy. I guess in your experience "older people" don't use smartphones. However, that is far from accurate. I've been very active on several boards with my (now former) 17 years with ATT in their IT department; nearly 20 yrs as a wireless subscriber and I also moderated a board for several years dealing strictly with wireless phones and general tech questions. Oh yes, and I am over 60 yrs old. There are plenty more of "older people" that have taught the younger ones what they know. In fact, most the innovators, patent winners, etc inside ATT were mostly those over 40. I currently use a Samsung Android phone.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 22:45

197. bantheiphonedotcom (banned) (Posts: 28; Member since: 24 Aug 2012)


see, each side gets to dismiss jurors, I believe - Samsung has to do a better job of lawyering as APPLE won because of lawyers and not because they were innovating.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 21:36 2

188. satydesh (Posts: 71; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


copy gets its ultimate price ha ha ha!!!

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 22:47 1

198. bantheiphonedotcom (banned) (Posts: 28; Member since: 24 Aug 2012)


seriously, it was more than copy it was advancing a product that rarely changes year after year...iphone from apple stands for stagnation.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 21:42 5

189. Savage (unregistered)


This isn't a big win. A big win would have been able to ban Samsung devices which Apple was interested to do from the start. And speaking of the 1 billion Sammy has to cough up, that was your fault. Now you get punished. However, it isn't such a big amount which will stop them from making awesome devices. Hopefully, this doesn't give Apple an inspiration to go after other OEM's. The last thing we all want is Apple becoming the world's sole phone manufacturer.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 21:56 1

191. Raymond_htc (Posts: 430; Member since: 06 Apr 2012)


Major Victory? More like major Sue-tory!

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 22:26

194. shuaibhere (Posts: 1986; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


By goin through all the comments what i can say is apple won verdict but samsung won consumers heart by the popularity of verdict....

Which is a big win??????
I will go with sammy.....

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 23:12

202. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Same here. Sammy device added to wish list and buying soon. Apple no way and never ever. Don't want my money going to corporate hooligans.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 22:51

199. plethora (Posts: 7; Member since: 24 Aug 2012)


You know, the carriers have been strangely very quiet about all of this. I wonder if any of them will take sides with one or the other company. Personally, my preference is to boycott Apple.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 23:13

203. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Carriers wouldn't put all their eggs in one basket. So i guess they will continue business as usual :)

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 23:28

204. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Matters not. Android will continue to develop and grow. And since Apple is no longer innovating - it will continue to be the most advanced and widespread mobile operating system.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 23:43

207. Johnnokia (Posts: 1104; Member since: 27 May 2012)


The only company that no one dares to sue it, is NOKIA.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 01:42

213. Bluesky02 (Posts: 1439; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


Sad news :(

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 02:19

215. OpTiMuS_BlAcK (Posts: 418; Member since: 04 May 2012)


THAT'S A HUUUUGE REFUND O_O

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 03:32

220. FoneAddict (Posts: 259; Member since: 05 Jul 2011)


USA "justice" is so biased to protect American businesses it's unreal! This verdict is ridiculous and goes against the ideals of Free Trade and Enterprise core ideals that America likes to propapagate around the world. A nonsense decision.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 03:46

221. karoafriyie (Posts: 19; Member since: 19 Aug 2012)


so it finally hapened my heart goes out to the american consumer (this hapens only in america righy?) becausse over here we love our galaxy phones hope this does not affect jelly bean uodate world wide samsung still roooooooooooooooooooocccks!!!!!!

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 04:02 4

222. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


Where are all the apple supporters?

11 pages of excuses from Samsung fans and apple haters is rediculous!!!

If the verdict would've been in Samsung favor y'all would be bragging your asses off!!!

GET OVER IT!!! It wasn't a fixed trial, nothing was done unethically, and nobody was harmed... DAMN this site is not the same anymore... Lame ass android users...

Remixfa stop commenting so damn much dude we get it, you don't agree with the verdict... IMO you trolled this whole article! But claim apple users for trolling, funny thing is NO APPLE TROLL IS HERE the guy who heckled you doesn't count he was just trying to get you to shut up!!!

This is my last time commenting until the iPhone 5 Galaxy Note 2 and windows phone 8 devices are released...smh

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 04:31 2

225. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


You really, really need to jettison the holier than thou attitude.

Every single one of your damn posts is the same: whining about the "android trolls" and blah blah blah.

Partisans on both sides have always been part of this site. This issue especially is a passionate one for both sides.

Yes, of course there would be jubilation if Samsung had won, or at least not gotten its ass kicked in court. It's tautological and bears no judgment against us.

There was some fishy stuff throughout the trial, crucial evidence was not shown, and Samsung did screw up with its defense.

And yes, sithman does count. He acts like this on many articles.

In short, through all of your whining and blubbering over how much Phonearena sucks because of how passionate its commenters are, you don't realize how foolish you come across because you've joined in the fray in much the same way.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 08:47 1

233. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


I can post as much as I darn well please. Considering the vast majority of my posts were civil conversations or updates on the play by play after PA stopped updating the thread, I dont really see anything I did as "trolling". Since I dont have an email filled with PA warning letters this morning, neither do they.

And no, you buddy was definitely trolling the article like a 2 yr old. I hope he got banned for all of that considering how tight PA has been about sending out warning letters. With few exceptions, the thread was very civil through the verdict.

My comments were pretty fair. And like sniggs said, there were some major one sided issues with the trial from the get go as well as big lawyer mess ups that didnt help their case.
I expect a good bit of this to be changed on appeal. If samsung's lawyers dont have their act together by then, well then.. too bad for them.
For someone that keeps trying to say they are close to the middle, you are really lashing out like a partisian apple fan.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 05:44 2

226. lordsidious (Posts: 3; Member since: 25 Aug 2012)


Crazy verdict

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 06:26 4

228. Ray.S (Posts: 339; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)


I think the jury did a marvelous job. I'm happy that Apple didn't score a win in terms of its design patents, because... well, it's just stupid to try to keep the "rectangle with centered screen on the front" all to yourself. I sure don't want all non-Apple products to look ugly. It just can't happen, and it shouldn't. But Apple sure deserved compensation for all that the other manufacturers copied from them.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 08:41 1

231. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


so when does apple compensate for all of the ideas/designs they stole? Had the jury found samsung's prior art as proof of invalidity of apple's patents, the amount would have been much much smaller. I bet ya a soda that samsung gets at least some of those patents invalidated on appeal. The bounce will probably stick, but the pinch to zoom and grid shouldnt.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 09:03 1

238. greathero1 (Posts: 566; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)


Well if those other companies own patents then they should protect their intellectual property. The verdict was fair but it's not completely over. The appeals process is next so I don't think Sammy will be on the hook for 1.05 billion, maybe half that. Dude, it's gonna be okay lol!

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 09:28 1

241. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


im not worried. the big issue, the blank ipad rectangle drawing, got tossed. Nothing held up against the SGS2. The rest of is is minor crap about old phones that are barely sold anymore. Again, my only real surprise is that the prior art disproving apple's patents for pinch to zoom and such didnt hold up. But hey, that's what appeals are for.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 10:16 1

244. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Ray.

I am not a designer - but I do not currently see a way to effectively zoom on a webpage in any other way other than pinch-to-zoom on an all-touchscreen device. Same for double-tapping to align text\content on the screen.

I sure as hell hope Google comes up with something - we sure as hell don't want to go back to Android 1.6 zoom in\zoom out buttons!!

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 13:34

250. Ray.S (Posts: 339; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)


I don't think they'll ban the others from using pinch-to-zoom. Still, I'm sure there can be another way to easily zoom on a touchscreen device. It's just that someone has to think of it.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 08:07 2

229. zhypher_23 (Posts: 195; Member since: 04 Jun 2012)


1996: "Good artists copy, great artists steal. And we have´╗┐ always been shameless about stealing great ideas." -- Steve Jobs
2010: "I'm going to destroy Android because it's a stolen product." -- Steve Jobs

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