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Apple's thermonuclear legal strategy scores a big win

0. phoneArena 24 Aug 2012, 17:00 posted on

The verdict is in, and Apple racked up more than $1 billion in damages against Samsung, although it failed to protect the design of the iPad/iPad 2, and probably won't be able to get injunctions against as many devices as it had hoped...

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posted on 24 Aug 2012, 18:56 1

101. rob5150 (Posts: 166; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)


will head to appeals court. sammy didnt get a fair trial. its very documented. sammys lawyers were not well prepared, but neither was the judge.

it will be interesting to see if samsung can sue lawfirm for malpractice and recoup some of there losses.

interesting how the jury was able to go through the hundreds of points during deliberations.
in such short time.
looks to me that they were prejudiced before the trial was given to them

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 18:58 3

102. ekia007 (Posts: 61; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)


wtf , 1 billion, it is too much. are you smoking crack Judge Koh?

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:01

106. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1731; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


So they win 1 billion or w.e but how much did they SPEND

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:03 2

110. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Wouldn't be surprised if it was over $2 billion. The lawyers really are the ones that really won.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:05

112. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Yes in fight between two cats it was the monkey who made /got everything :)

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:03 1

108. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Prior art argument held ground in GOOG vs Oracle case i think and surprising it isn't so in this case. So looks like a head on between GOOG and Apple is needed for a even fight.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:11 2

115. Fuego84 (Posts: 351; Member since: 13 May 2012)


Well I'm staying away from IOS devices for life it's my own personal boycott of evil, greedy companies and less advance technological devices.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:13 4

118. sithman (banned) (Posts: 299; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


An apple a day keeps the Samsung away lol

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:14 2

119. remixfa (Posts: 14337; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


its not over, there was some issues with the jury's form. They charged samsung for phones they found didnt infringe on anything. jurors are told to go back and fix their mistakes.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:15

123. remixfa (Posts: 14337; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


it doesnt change the verdicts but it does slightly change the fine.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 20:09 3

160. sithman (banned) (Posts: 299; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Dude get off PA. It's over dude bottom of the 9th and apple just hit a walk off grand salami.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 23:48

209. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


The verdict could be easily changed on appeal. There could be a new trial ordered and this whole thing starts all over. Let the Apple fans have their moment of gloating, 'cause they are going have to vomit in their hands over the result in Google/Motorola going after Apple.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:14 1

121. e.wvu (unregistered)


Okay, I will give Apple the first gen of the Galaxy S. But saying that the GSII copied the iPhone? How would the GSII ruin the sales of the iPhone and how does it resemble the iPhone?

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:15 1

124. fwinst (Posts: 64; Member since: 08 May 2010)


Funny how Apple wins a big judgement in a courtroom
30 minutes away from their HQ. Not saying that Samsung hasn't done a bit of copying. Perhaps Samsung should have purchased Palm when they had a chance. I don't think Apple would have been as interested in taking those patents to court. Apple has done their fair share of copying.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:16 3

125. skymitch89 (Posts: 1329; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)


I don't think that double-tap and pich-to-zoom should be something that Apple has rule and a patent over. It's not just a device manufacturer that puts that in, it's part of the mobile OS, and practally all mobile OSs use either/both ways to zoom.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:22 1

130. remixfa (Posts: 14337; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


@Scott

Its still not over. Both Apple and Samsung are bickering over the jury's findings and paperwork. Now samsung is going after the jury claiming "patent exhaustion" on one of their patents when one of the prereqs for "patent exhaustion" is that apple had to be found to be infringing.. which they weren't.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:23 1

132. remixfa (Posts: 14337; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


looks like Koh might be siding with Samsung on this one.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:27 1

135. remixfa (Posts: 14337; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


or... maybe not.. now all of a sudden she seems to like apple's rebuttal after refusing it. hmmm...

the jury came back and asked for directions on the form they messed up on.

They can fly through 700 questions, but yet still need help with a basic "if the company didnt do X, then they cant be held accountable for X" .... Yea.. that is kind of... scary.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:59 1

155. remixfa (Posts: 14337; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the jury is reversing some decisions and changing dollar amounts...

not a big deal, now its down to 1.049 billion instead of 1.05 billion.

However on the patent exhaustion argument, not surprisingly Koh has changed her mind and is now siding with Apple. Apparently, she said because it was apple's idea to have the "the phone must infringe to find the patent exhausted" clause in the paperwork, they just dont need to be held to it. I really dont understand that one. No seriously... what???

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 20:05 1

157. remixfa (Posts: 14337; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


injunction hearings wont start till late september at the earliest.

well, that gives samsung plenty of time to do some updates. Maybe we will get official android 4.0/4.1 on the SGS1 now, eh? lol. what a dream.. what a dream.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 20:12 1

162. remixfa (Posts: 14337; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


samsung and apple are now arguing over infringement/banning/pay out court date timelines. Apple is continuing to go for the jugular and demanding a quicker date.
They dont care about the money, they want to twist samsung's arm a little further.

Koh just told apple to back off saying shed give as much time as she could to samsung, even though samsung doesnt think 2-3 weeks is enough time to sort through everything. Koh doesnt want to give sammy more time than that.. ooh the drama..

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 20:16 1

164. remixfa (Posts: 14337; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the date for the hearing is Sept 20th. Again Koh has set page limits for both sides to keep them from drowning her in junk.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 20:42 1

169. remixfa (Posts: 14337; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


samsung's final statement to Koh before leaving was "This isnt over"

cue ominous music!

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 21:04 1

181. Jay_F (Posts: 236; Member since: 29 Nov 2011)


oooh I'm sure she's shaking in her robes.

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 11:27

247. Tre-Nitty (Posts: 468; Member since: 16 Nov 2010)


You need yourself a girl mate! Your acting as if you are heavily invested in this case! Stop being so loyal and you'd probably not be so hurt about a decision that has affect on you whatsoever!

posted on 25 Aug 2012, 13:02

249. remixfa (Posts: 14337; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


actually, I was just play calling what was going on after PA stopped updating the announcements. The court was not adjourned and there was still plenty going on between both sides and the jury.

Whos being loyal to what? I love how I keep getting accused of all this crap, simply for reposting the play by play of what actually happened from TheVerge's live feed from the court.

Thanks, I'll tell my wife I need another girl. I bet that goes over well. :)

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:28 1

136. rob5150 (Posts: 166; Member since: 31 Oct 2011)


so, when apple comes out with their longer thinner iphone5 cant they be sued for copying the s3?

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:32 1

145. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


Well not if they have the PATENT to "Copy and Steal" :D

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:32 1

146. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10457; Member since: 14 May 2012)


I hope they get sued for that and 4G patents.

posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:28 1

138. DechyX (Posts: 134; Member since: 16 May 2011)


Apple can sue the whole tech world, eventually their greed and lack of innovation will catch up to them and they'll be overtaken by Android and Windows. Is it so hard to comprehend that without competition there can be no innovation and everything just remains plain and vanilla.

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