Apple's thermonuclear legal strategy scores a big win

92. Scott_H posted on 24 Aug 2012, 18:50 5 2

Not likely. It probably won't even cause Samsung to not be the number one smartphone vendor this year. It'll just hurt their cash on hand a bit.

100. remixfa posted on 24 Aug 2012, 18:55 6 2

there is no bans on the SGS2 or SGS3, just some SGS1 variants.. not a big sales hit.

The ruling was against samsung copying the look of the device, and with older versions of touchwiz. Nothing about this case has a real effect on Android in general since some of the big generic patents apple had didnt get a win.

206. Droid_X_Doug posted on 24 Aug 2012, 23:43 0 1

How is it going to hurt Sammy's cash on hand? They aren't going to write a check to Apple. There may be an appeal bond, but that doesn't go to Apple (it sits in an escrow account that is controlled by the court). I doubt if they have to show the appeal bond on their books.

216. ardent1 posted on 25 Aug 2012, 02:30 0 0

Samsung has already spent hundreds of millions in the legal sinkhole and will continue to spend hundreds of millions.

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235. remixfa posted on 25 Aug 2012, 08:50 0 0

with how much apple just spent to get possible injunctions on the SGS1 I'd say its all a sink hole. Their billion dollar reward will most likely be reduced a good bit on appeal. Want to have a bet on it? :)

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111. Non_Sequitur posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:03 2 1

I can see why some people would mistake old versions of Touchwiz with iOS, but not stock Android. Stock Android, new Touchwiz, Blur, LG's skin, Sense, and others will be perfectly fine, don't you worry.

129. protozeloz posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:20 3 2

I would get a dollar for every time I heard android will be banned because of this I'd be a millionaire.

1. these phones are out of commission's and replaced with better ones
2. Samsung made a poor defense

88. PapaSmurf posted on 24 Aug 2012, 18:48 4 2

Samsung had evidence that clearly showed Apple was in the wrong a few times in the case and Judge Koh threw it out the window. Still think it's fair?

93. Jay_F posted on 24 Aug 2012, 18:50 2 1

That would depend on the evidence and it's validity. Is it referenced/posted somewhere for public view?

98. remixfa posted on 24 Aug 2012, 18:54 2 2

i believe he is talking about the F700 and a few others that the jury was not allowed to see. I'd like to know how they came to the conclusion of Apple's pinch to zoom and others not being invalidated by samsungs counter evidence. I thought that part was a near slam dunk.

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104. PapaSmurf posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:01 3 2

LG Prada, Samsung's chart on its phones before/after iPhone, and F700. How the hell did that managed to be thrown out of the court?

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120. sithman (banned) posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:14 1 6

I believe apple won

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127. remixfa posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:19 1 3

just stop replying with your nonsense, troll.

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142. sithman (banned) posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:31 2 2

Whaaaa whaaaa whaaaaa just stop replying with your nonsense troll

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137. PapaSmurf posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:28 0 3

I guess you never read comment 88.

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208. Droid_X_Doug posted on 24 Aug 2012, 23:45 1 1

Do you also believe the moon is made of cheese? What about Santa? After all, you admitted you are only 1 1/2 years old.

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210. PapaSmurf posted on 25 Aug 2012, 00:07 1 1

He's trolling hella hard. Hope he gets a paid vacation from PA.

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211. Droid_X_Doug posted on 25 Aug 2012, 00:36 2 1

The harder they troll, the worse it hurts when things don't turn out the way they want. Apple did not win against the GS III. The GS III sales will not be subject to a sales ban. The rest of the Sammy products that were found to be infringing can either be fitted with revised software that does not infringe or they have already been sun-setted, so the only thing that is being fought over is whether Sammy has to write Apple a check with 9 zeros after the 1. And that won't be a-happening for a while.

Net-net, sith is behaving as any 1 1/2 year old does....

Say there sith - do you know the definition of a pyrrhic victory? 'Cause that is what it is going to be for Apple after the appeals process is done with.

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236. remixfa posted on 25 Aug 2012, 08:53 0 0

The only phones that were found to be stepping on apple's "design" toes were SGS1 variants. That's not going to hurt sammy a whole lot since the bulk of their sales are now SGS2 and SGS3 variants.

My highest hope for the verdict is that it makes sammy push out an android 4.0/4.1 update while they are changing the infringing software.. i know thats like a 1 in 100000 chance, but hey. lol

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163. tedkord posted on 24 Aug 2012, 20:15 1 1

It was a 9 person jury.

147. sithman (banned) posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:33 2 2

Apple was Jordan Samsung was everyone he dunked on.

107. PapaSmurf posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:01 5 2

One word: contract.

110. PapaSmurf posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:03 2 3

Wouldn't be surprised if it was over $2 billion. The lawyers really are the ones that really won.

112. rusticguy posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:05 0 2

Yes in fight between two cats it was the monkey who made /got everything :)

123. remixfa posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:15 0 3

it doesnt change the verdicts but it does slightly change the fine.

160. sithman (banned) posted on 24 Aug 2012, 20:09 3 5

Dude get off PA. It's over dude bottom of the 9th and apple just hit a walk off grand salami.

209. Droid_X_Doug posted on 24 Aug 2012, 23:48 0 1

The verdict could be easily changed on appeal. There could be a new trial ordered and this whole thing starts all over. Let the Apple fans have their moment of gloating, 'cause they are going have to vomit in their hands over the result in Google/Motorola going after Apple.

132. remixfa posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:23 1 4

looks like Koh might be siding with Samsung on this one.

135. remixfa posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:27 1 3

or... maybe not.. now all of a sudden she seems to like apple's rebuttal after refusing it. hmmm...

the jury came back and asked for directions on the form they messed up on.

They can fly through 700 questions, but yet still need help with a basic "if the company didnt do X, then they cant be held accountable for X" .... Yea.. that is kind of... scary.

155. remixfa posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:59 1 3

the jury is reversing some decisions and changing dollar amounts...

not a big deal, now its down to 1.049 billion instead of 1.05 billion.

However on the patent exhaustion argument, not surprisingly Koh has changed her mind and is now siding with Apple. Apparently, she said because it was apple's idea to have the "the phone must infringe to find the patent exhausted" clause in the paperwork, they just dont need to be held to it. I really dont understand that one. No seriously... what???

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157. remixfa posted on 24 Aug 2012, 20:05 1 2

injunction hearings wont start till late september at the earliest.

well, that gives samsung plenty of time to do some updates. Maybe we will get official android 4.0/4.1 on the SGS1 now, eh? lol. what a dream.. what a dream.

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162. remixfa posted on 24 Aug 2012, 20:12 1 2

samsung and apple are now arguing over infringement/banning/pay out court date timelines. Apple is continuing to go for the jugular and demanding a quicker date.
They dont care about the money, they want to twist samsung's arm a little further.

Koh just told apple to back off saying shed give as much time as she could to samsung, even though samsung doesnt think 2-3 weeks is enough time to sort through everything. Koh doesnt want to give sammy more time than that.. ooh the drama..

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164. remixfa posted on 24 Aug 2012, 20:16 1 2

the date for the hearing is Sept 20th. Again Koh has set page limits for both sides to keep them from drowning her in junk.

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169. remixfa posted on 24 Aug 2012, 20:42 1 3

samsung's final statement to Koh before leaving was "This isnt over"

cue ominous music!

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181. Jay_F posted on 24 Aug 2012, 21:04 1 0

oooh I'm sure she's shaking in her robes.

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247. Tre-Nitty posted on 25 Aug 2012, 11:27 0 0

You need yourself a girl mate! Your acting as if you are heavily invested in this case! Stop being so loyal and you'd probably not be so hurt about a decision that has affect on you whatsoever!

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249. remixfa posted on 25 Aug 2012, 13:02 0 0

actually, I was just play calling what was going on after PA stopped updating the announcements. The court was not adjourned and there was still plenty going on between both sides and the jury.

Whos being loyal to what? I love how I keep getting accused of all this crap, simply for reposting the play by play of what actually happened from TheVerge's live feed from the court.

Thanks, I'll tell my wife I need another girl. I bet that goes over well. :)

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145. rusticguy posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:32 1 1

Well not if they have the PATENT to "Copy and Steal" :D

146. PapaSmurf posted on 24 Aug 2012, 19:32 1 2

I hope they get sued for that and 4G patents.