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Apple's tax rate may be just 9.8%

0. phoneArena 30 Apr 2012, 21:39 posted on

In case you're new to the world of global businesses and shady corporate practices, it is quite common practice for global corporations to use every tax loophole on the books in order to minimize what it needs to pay...

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posted on 02 May 2012, 09:08

130. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


u obviously skimmed over the whole part where I admitted to only carrying on this conversation because I'm laughing at you. :) Im taking all your insults just fine. They are not bothering me one bit. I'd have to respect you first for the insult to stick. I'm pretty sure I just explained that.. but obviously your not reading, your skimming.
total silliness.

posted on 02 May 2012, 09:37

133. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1176; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


Then I guess we are laughing at each other. Go read some of your post and you just might cry about just how ignorant you really are! If my post didn't bother you you wouldn't be whining like a sissy all over the place ROFL SISSY I have a skirt, and pom poms for you to go cheer for the people that are robbing you of your future! Want some lip stick too lmao

posted on 01 May 2012, 08:42 1

39. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1176; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


"Oh yea, who granted those tax loopholes for GE to pay zero? Obama under his "green initiatives""

Keep talking you really prove my point of how opinionated and stupid you really are.ROFL

Those laws have been in effect way before Obama idiot. I cant't believe you claim to be so intelligent yet make these stupid misinformed quotes.

Seems like I am educating you as we go. I can't talk to a misinformed moron like you...Vote Romney or the Tea party ok

posted on 01 May 2012, 08:45

40. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


perhaps you should look that up before going on a childish name calling rant? eh?

again, slinging tons of insults with no evidence of anything. U have fun with that.

posted on 01 May 2012, 08:49 1

42. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1176; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


No need to the tax loop holes were there way before Obama fool....the tax loop holes are what I am referring too nothing else rofl

posted on 01 May 2012, 11:36 4

49. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Remix is very opinionated regardless of knowing anything about the topic. He'll read one article somewhere and base his whole ideology off that without really knowing anything about the subject. He then makes blanket statements and goes on tangents and makes himself look a fool.

posted on 01 May 2012, 12:11

53. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


wow, you know if you change "remix" to "taco50" then you have a very accurate statement. I think you were trying to be honest about yourself but lacked the courage to go the whole way.

sad sad little lying internet troll.

posted on 01 May 2012, 15:46 3

75. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


i agree remix is always making statements that only exist in his head...

posted on 01 May 2012, 17:12

77. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


oh no.. both itards are coming at me

what should I do!?!?!
lol

btw gallito that email u used to send me your g+ link doesn't connect to my email and there are too many peeps with your name to properly search u. reemail me from your regular address so I can link properly. or just search me on g+.

posted on 01 May 2012, 18:37

84. 14545 (Posts: 1610; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Qwikstrike, THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T FORCE MORALITY. Why do you think the "war on drugs" is such a failure. "Punishing" them for trying to "dodge your taxes" is only going to act to exacerbate the problem. Anything that hinders a businesses ability to do business is going to stop certain companies from coming here. Also, look at Ireland, I believe they decreased the corp rate to 15% from 30%(iirc) and went from negative job growth to positive. I don't remember the exact numbers, as it was in 09 that I read about it. But regardless, the point is that ONLY rewards will bring new jobs to america. Punishments will only send more away.

posted on 01 May 2012, 23:49 1

107. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1176; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


War on drugs was a failure because they targeted the wrong people....low level offenders rather than the importers at the top...lets not go there because you really are clueless.

posted on 01 May 2012, 13:49 2

66. gwuhua1984 (Posts: 1237; Member since: 06 Mar 2012)


I think QWIKSTRIKE's idea makes lots of sense. Large companies are not just escaping taxes, but also creating jobs outside the country. With an imposed tax law to target outside manufacturing it will "probably" force companies to second thought their choice of moving their manufacturing outside of the country and try to find a manufacturing domestically. In return closing a part of tax loop hole and creating jobs in the country.

posted on 01 May 2012, 14:55

70. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


no it will just force large companies to move their headquarters outside of the US to negate that whole game. Walmart has a CITY in China it calls its headquarters for that very reason.
you can't punish people into submission which is what you are suggesting. you have to entice them. and while your enticing them you are also enticing every other company in the world to come and create jobs as well. you get much better results by making people want to relocate here than trying to chain them here.

posted on 01 May 2012, 15:36 1

73. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1176; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


Just reread what you just typed....it is as foolish as it sounds if you understand what he and I am talking about. This idea would force companies to think twice about opening factories over seas to escape taxes if their products are taxed as they ship back to the US. The companies that stay in the US would be given a tax break to create jobs in America with this tax, and the closing of tax loop holes. This idea is one which President Obama supports btw....now I have done it!

This loop hole has people thinking that there is a trade imbalance when is not entirely tue. Companies like Ford, Apple Motorola, HP, Dell, Gateway, Google, Hasbro, and many more American based companies opened factories over seas to pay lower labor cost and off shore profits to avoid taxes, and then ship these items back to the US as parts i.e. car companies, and merchandise i.e. Dell, Apple, HP ect.

These products are manufactured in China, and then shipped to the American consumer makes it appear that there is a trade imbalance when in fact its the American companies that are creating this imbalance to avoid paying taxes! They are the ones importing products made in China to sell to the very same people that they are putting out of work....how dumb! They are killing the very same base that they are trying to sell products to. Remember the biggest consumer base in the world is the U.S. rofl

For the Car companies there is a loop hole that says parts shipped to America can't be taxed. They make parts over seas and then use them or assemble them in cars in the U S to off set labor cost, and to avoid paying import taxes on a whole assembled car. I could go on and on about what I have found out but it would be a book, and lots of debate from ignorant naive people wanting me to prove it rather than check what I say is a fact or not then come at me.

posted on 01 May 2012, 15:41 1

74. good2great (Posts: 1042; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


hahaha remix are you gonna let QWIKSTRIKE talk to you like that???!!! wow...

posted on 01 May 2012, 17:09

76. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the day I care about what some liberal fool on the internet thinks about me is the day ill vote for Obama.

the fact that he is taking sides with taco is just hillarious. "this Guy kinda sounds like he agrees with me so imma. gang up with him on this guy that doesn't".
little does he seem to realize he is siding with the town moron that no one but the other fools take seriously .. and a loud one at that.

quickstrike every time you try to present an ideal its half baked and half the time your rebutting something ... no one mentioned. throwing up the constant intellectual insults just make it funny. I give you credit for at least trying to present your opinion with fact.. misguided as they may be.. unlike your new bestest buddy.

posted on 01 May 2012, 18:46 1

85. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1176; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


I have always posted what I believe to be true based on fact, and don't need some one else to validate my thinking. Nothing is more half baked than the opinionated bull s**t that you push.

You seem to think that you have all the answers based on your backwards thinking with out any facts to back up the non sense that you post.

Taco makes a valid point and I have heard what he said from many analyst talking about the possible regressive tax that you propose affecting the middle class and poor.

You seem to hate to find yourself wrong, and I find that you can be insulting and ignorant when someone disagrees with your opinion. I merely hand you what you have handed me and many others that disagree with your bull!

If you call me liberal for posting facts about how the rich take advantage of the 99%, and get idiots like you to cheer lead them I guess I am a liberal.

Ronald Reagan said that " I think it is unfair that millionaires pay less in taxes than a blue collar worker, and they need to pay their fair share of the tax burden, By today's standard he would be a liberal too.

Anyone that takes a position to do whats right for every one instead of just doing whats right for the millionaires and big corporations is a liberal.

You are just a fool that thinks that if you cheer hard enough you can become just like the 1%.

I believe in capitalism in its purest form. No subsidies through loop holes, and off shoring of jobs to avoid paying fair wages, or to avoid paying fair taxes. I believe every one should be treated equal, and have an equal voice in our society, with out our voice being drown out by lobbyist with deep pockets. I believe the truth should be told to everyone as opposed to the media clouding the truth for self serving purposes like advertising to dupe the consumer. I believe that the off shoring of jobs to avoid paying taxes, and to undermine the American working class is un-American. I believe the importing of workers under the HB1 Visa to undermine fair wages is un-American, and I believe that if I pay 38% in taxes so should the rich. If this makes me a liberal so be it!

FDR set up the health and vacation system in EU, and Japan. FDR said that I wouldn't want to work in any place that didn't have a union!

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to ... remain silent.

"Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny”

posted on 01 May 2012, 18:46 1

87. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1176; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson

The last three comments above were from founding father Thomas Jefferson!

posted on 01 May 2012, 20:27

92. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


seriously, that was the best 2 posts you have written. kudos.

honestly, I dont hold regan up to a conservative ideal. He was a great many things and did many great things, but he was also the start of the big government religious conservative movement. It was because of Regan that they pulled away from Goldwater conservatives, which ended up splintering into the Libertarian movement. Thats what I identify myself with.

"Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny”
That quote is perfect... for my arguements. All of my arguements for the Fair tax, and all of our back n forth have been to level the playing field and reduce the power of government to create loopholes which make false winners in the market. They let the companies that "contribute" the most "win" without a fair fight. Like it or not Obama DID give new and special tax breaks to GE for their campaign contributions directly and through PACs. Was he the first president or member of a party to do so? Absolutely not.

My proposal not only levels the playing field, helps the poor, greatly reduces the power of government to interfere in the market, but also makes us the worlds biggest tax HAVEN for companies to COME to america to invest their money tax free. That will put TRILLIONS of dollars into the US economy. More so than any other plan.. especially any plan that tries to punish businesses in any which way shape or form. The only people that write articles against it are people that have a vested interest in keeping the status Quo and keeping politicians in power.

posted on 01 May 2012, 22:28 1

102. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1176; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


"Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms (of government) those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny”

The media and the 1% know this above quote, and mislead the people with false information to achieve their goal to keep us poor and them rich!

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to ... remain silent

I am not one to remain silent, and I read and research more than both of you I bet!

I tried to stay away from you and Tacos post but this statement above is why I had to speak up! I know what he said had merit so I posted that belief!

You have lots to learn but keep picking at me and I will learn you the facts, and back them with posted reference not made up opinion!

Now we almost agreeing on the same way of thinking; "when facts supersede ego a wise man recognizes the truth when he sees it because it is undeniable!"

QWIKSTRIKE!

posted on 01 May 2012, 22:42

104. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you know whats funny. You tried to pick at me for my lack of spelling, but you completely lack any sentence structure and grammar.

You shouldnt bet. You obviously dont know me well enough. Ask Taco about taking bets with me. I tend to be right more often than not.

Here's the thing. People have beliefs, and they find research that bolsters that belief. I cant think of the exact term at the moment since its late, but its very similar to System Justification Theory (people finding ways to justify a system in place even if its ultimately negative for them) which also fits this. The ONLY thing that helps EVERYONE in America is wiping out all corperate and payroll taxes. Again, ive already explained that enough. If you refuse to actually research the ACTUAL FairTax and not some random anti-flat/VAT tax blog you find on the internet, I cant force you. You havent actually countered a single thing about the FairTax that I've mentioned. You went off on tangents about VAT taxes which have nothing to do with anything.

posted on 02 May 2012, 00:18 1

112. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1176; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


I don't need Taco to validate your thinking you do it all on your own!

posted on 02 May 2012, 00:28 1

113. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1176; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


This fair tax that you talked of may have its merit, but I may need more information on how it is administered.

I know the IRS won't like this law lol

posted on 02 May 2012, 07:13

115. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


of course, it abolishes the IRS completely and makes them irrelevant. You will only need enough agents to enforce collection from the businesses.. and thats it. Politicians hate it because it greatly reduces their power. Liberals hate it because it stops income redistribution. But if it was ever implemented it would be an over night success like we have never seen, and it would convince the world that liberalism is the inferior idea once and for all.

posted on 02 May 2012, 08:03

120. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1176; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


Tell me what's the difference between the "fair tax", and the "consumption tax"

posted on 02 May 2012, 08:37

126. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


www.fairtax.org

go read.

posted on 02 May 2012, 09:52

134. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1176; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


I have read that information, and I am asking "you" what's the difference between the "fair tax", and the "consumption tax".

From what I have gathered they are the same, and if this is so Taco's premise is right. Since you are the leading "fair tax" export explain the difference if you would. Again I have read that sight and all that it explains about the fair tax! Here is your chance to shine!

posted on 02 May 2012, 10:18

135. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1176; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


[PDF]
A Consumption Tax versus a Federal Income Tax in the ... - FairTax
www.fairtax.org/site/.../A_Consumption_Tax_versus_a_Federal.pdf?...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
by SAR Tomlinson - Related articles
This thesis makes a comparison between a consumption tax and the current ..... Initially, in the United States taxes were applied to the different states based on ...

Based on the fair tax org site they seem to be the same the "fair tax" and "consumption tax". In fact if they are the same then I was correct when I posted way back when I posted about this and the VAT link.

What you fail to recognize is that I don't think the VAT is worthy of any thing, and never suggested that it was. However; the judgement rendered against the consumption and VAT happened to be in that same link.

Again if they are the same "Taco", and "Jeffdabeat" are correct. Instead of ranting, and going off in different childish tangents you can refute this with supporting fact not opinion or just shut the "F" up Forrest Gump!

posted on 01 May 2012, 19:01

88. 14545 (Posts: 1610; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Ok, for the most part I have to agree with Qwik here. Reagan was a sham. But then again I don't like any president since Harding. Then before him, well I can't think of any till the early 1800's. So, that being said, you are also right about democracy being "mob rule". Hence the reason our founders set us up as a constitutional republic. That way we should have been able to avoid these issues. However, sometime along the way the idiots of society have pushed their way in and caused the issues we now have.

All that being said, you still have to understand that by punishing companies that outsource, or "tax dodge", isn't going to go along way towards bringing those suppliers back onshore. You're going to have to give them incentives to do so. Shoot, if apple were to bring it's offshore money back to america, according to 60 minutes, it would cost them some 20 billion in an upfront payment for taxes. WHY WOULD ANYONE DO THAT?

posted on 02 May 2012, 00:13

109. QWIKSTRIKE (Posts: 1176; Member since: 09 Mar 2010)


Childish and ignorance at its best good2great!

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