Apple's shipments of its new iPhones to U.S. carriers are "disappointing"
0. phoneArena 17 Sep 2013, 20:43 posted on
Is Apple heading toward a disappointing launch of its two new iPhone models on Friday? Earlier on Tuesday, we told you that the number of Apple iPhone 5s units available from U.S. carriers might be lower than expected on Friday; while some carriers have said that many buyers have been turning to the lower priced but more colorful Apple iPhone 5c...
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1. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
A lot of people reacted because of the same boring design of the iphone 5s. and i doubt they won't break their own record.
4. darkkjedii (Posts: 19737; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
If you doubt they won't, that means you think they will.
10. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
Even Apple co founder Mr. WOZ would agree.
13. darkkjedii (Posts: 19737; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
If you doubt they won't, that means you think they will.
21. asingha94 (Posts: 295; Member since: 08 Apr 2012)
What a hardcore fanboy you are!!You know the fact that people are not interested in buying iphone anymore.They are more curious towards galaxy,G,Xperia,Windows phone.Thats why they are loosing market share day by day.Who is gonna pay for same boring design,ugliest icon & that much cost except you iaddicted us people.
47. RoyalPayne (banned) (Posts: 458; Member since: 07 Aug 2013)
Yes, everybody is a fanboy except you. Apple are selling more and more iPhones and iPads while u sit and hate.
53. weinerslav (Posts: 126; Member since: 31 Jul 2012)
LOL have you read the news? You should sit and read... and then, sit and cry lol
6. stealthd (unregistered)
I would have expected GS4 sales to tank compared to the GSIII then. They didn't do anything new or interesting with the design, so it should have failed right?
11. darkkjedii (Posts: 19737; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Dude you can never take Gadget80 serious. He started a sentence with a lowercase "a", then used a lowercase "i" for himself...enough said.
46. tech2 (Posts: 3349; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
Lol..........that's exactly what Apple does starts a name with a lowercase like 'i' in iPhone XD
25. Long1 (banned) (Posts: 399; Member since: 18 May 2013)
GS4 has better and bigger display in even smaller body. IP5S and IP5 absolutely same display in same body.
34. microsoftnokiawin (Posts: 1178; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)
It has a 64bit processor and ios 7 so it must be way better.
That's what your argument sounds like.
43. jromy (Posts: 114; Member since: 26 Feb 2013)
But...why would you need a 64bit processor on your phone? bs aside, I'm actually curious.
57. robinlim85 (Posts: 86; Member since: 03 May 2013)
wait you see when every single smartphone uses 64bit processor and u still wonder why
49. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
Not to mention the iPhone nor the new iPads have the 4GB of RAM to benefit from it...
14. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
I wonder if this is a new variation on the term exclusive (as in exclusive to Apple)? In the past, Apple gave its stores priority in allocating scarce supply; maybe this is Scarce Supply v. 2.0?
If we are seeing Scarce Supply v. 2.0, this can't be good news for Apple, 'cause scarce supply means no sales for Apple, and no sales for Apple means their share price takes a hit.
I wonder if Timmy wishes he were back in his old job of COO again? Life certainly was simpler back then.
2. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
iPhone 5s(same) is a joke compared to an optimus G2/ Note 3/ Z1.
3. stealthd (unregistered)
Really? What makes it a joke?
5. darkkjedii (Posts: 19737; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
He doesn't think that. He wants attention.
17. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
It really is a shame people are still bashing Apple for the 5S. They have to realize, Steve Jobs still had influence in the making of the 5S, so they could only do so much. Even with Steve's influence on it, they made it the biggest upgrade to an iPhone ever. I expect the iPhone 6 to really be the first step outside of the Jobs/Forstall era and be fully under Cook/Ive. Can't wait for next year!
29. artealis (Posts: 98; Member since: 15 Dec 2010)
already talking about next year iphone??
at least you should buy 5c or 5s, to donate some money to apple this year.
yes, i agree with u this is the biggest upgrade to an iphone ever, with same look and design like last year,
copy-paste-done design for iphone 5s ame and copy-paste-plastic design for iphone 5c heap
30. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Yes, I am talking about next year's iPhone, because it will be the first iPhone that Tim Cook and Jony Ive will have complete control over, with no influence of Steve Jobs or Scott Forstall looming over them; and it will probably be the first iPhone I will be interested in buying for the first time since 2010.
I'm not getting the 5S because the screen is just a little bit too small for me, and because I just got my Droid Mini which is probably one of my favorite Android devices to date along with the Nexus 4 and HTC One.
52. McLTE (Posts: 804; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
The biggest upgrade to the iPhone ever? 64bit processor that nobody will need for a long long time and a slightly better camera is nothing to be incredibly proud of. The fingerprint sensor? I can't really lump that in as a massive upgrade either - cute and all, but nothing I'm excited about.
I hope you're correct about iPhone 6 being something special under the new Apple rule.. but given how things have gone lately, I'm not expecting much.
56. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Double CPU and GPU power, added M7 co-processor for more efficiency (similar to Motorola's X8 system), OpenGL ES 3.0 support, native 64 bit apps with 3rd party 64 bit apps on the way, fingerprint scanner, iOS 7 bringing major improvements to iOS with a design change for the first time ever, and various improvements to the camera like 120 fps 720p capture allowing for smooth slow motion video, a major low light improvement, and dual LED flash with a tinted second flash to help balance colors.
Compare that to the 4S, where most of it's improvements were in the GPU and camera; the GPU was about 5 times as powerful as it was in the iPhone 4, double CPU power, 5 element lens and higher aperture on the camera, Siri (which wasn't that great), some added features in iOS 5, but still the same design software and hardware wise.
I don't know about you, but I think the 5S is a much better upgrade to the 5 than the 4S was to the 4.
41. maysider (Posts: 38; Member since: 11 Aug 2013)
No copy a file
No default browser choice
Just icons from 1990
No IR remote
Sorry it's a very dumb phone
15. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Did you see the offscreen GPU tests for the 5S? They're nearly up to par with the Adreno 330! That's insane! A GPU that is capable of running a 2560x1600 display effortlessly is running an 1136x640 display, the frame rates are going to max out on everything. The CPU *should* be well up to par with the quad core Krait 300's in some of the best flagships of this year too, and it has a nice 2 GB of RAM. And we all know it's probably going to have the best camera on a smartphone to date (aside from the Lumia 1020 and 808 PureView of course). Plus, Jony actually CHANGED iOS.
You might say the screen is too small and iOS is still too limited, but you can't deny that this is THE biggest upgrade to an iPhone they have ever done, in terms of hardware and software.
18. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Do you have a URL from apple.com for the 2Gb of RAM? If you are basing the 2Gb statement off PAs spec listing, that is probably in error.
19. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2131; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
It's still 1GB, according to Anand Lal Shimpi. Of course, with 1GB of RAM, it has no overall peers in benchmarks except the Bay Trail development platform.
20. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Imagine what would be possible with 2Gb.... I guess we will have to wait for the iP6 for that.
23. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
There's no official statement from Apple, but I don't see why PA would just throw in the 2 GB statement for no reason. I mean seriously, it should be just common sense for Apple to include 2 GB of RAM. iOS finally has true multi-tasking, all the competition has it, and if they can't go past 4 GB and take complete advantage of that 64 bit chip, they might as well put in as much as they can.
If they really did only put 1 GB of RAM in the 5S, I would be surprised. But it still doesn't change the fact that the 5S is the most drastic change to the iPhone yet.
32. artealis (Posts: 98; Member since: 15 Dec 2010)
and today suddenly it is a common sense for a company who has no multi-tasking for their phone to has 2GB ram, the magic of iDefender
39. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
No multi-tasking you say? From the description made by PA, it sure sounds like multi-tasking to me, a smart multi-tasking system.
You call me an iDefender, but you don't know that I've been using Android for 3 years, and I wouldn't part with my current device for the 5S even if someone paid me to. I use Android and I think it is superior to iOS, but that doesn't mean I can't give credit where credit is due.
45. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
It will monitor your usage of apps and automatically open them in the background for you. Say you check your Facebook or Twitter around the same time every morning when you wake up, it will automatically open Facebook or Twitter in the background as soon as you wake your phone up around that time, but until then it will keep it paused and save battery. Other than that it's traditional multi-tasking. Or that's how it was explained to me, at least.
33. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
"If they really did only put 1 GB of RAM in the 5S, I would be surprised."
You may want to prepare for being surprised.
"But it still doesn't change the fact that the 5S is the most drastic change to the iPhone yet."
Well, yes, the iP5S is an improvement over the 5. Kinda like how the 4S was an improvement over the 4 and every model before it. IMO the real improvements come with the non-S editions. The S editions are more along the lines of life cycle improvements.
40. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
It's more of an improvement to the 5 than the 4S was to the 4 if you consider everything. I do expect more out of the iPhone 6 than I did for the 5S, but saying it's just another "S" improvement isn't quite enough.
22. jdoee100 (Posts: 334; Member since: 04 Jun 2013)
There is no doubt apple still makes the best hardware/software combo. However, given the same price as the Note 3, there is no way I choose 5s over Note 3. Note 3 gives you so much more.
31. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
The Note 3 does give you a lot more features and upgraded specs, but I would take the lesser functionality of iOS 7 just for the sake of size. I wouldn't use most of the features of the Note 3 anyways, but I would miss NFC and USB mass storage (that's on any Android device though).
35. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Personally, the G2 is 2013s smartphone of the year. I will trade 1 more Gb of RAM for an OIS camera sensor that produces the quality of pics that the G2s camera gives.
50. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
You do realize that 90% of what goes into the iPhone is not manufactured by Apple... Their screen were made by Samsung until a little over a year ago.
And your comment about Quality is an opinion...
24. DukeX (Posts: 327; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)
Meh i still choose open os over a small speed boost in ios. Apple can keep it's os limited all it wants. The only reasons why the gpu runs so well is because of the resolution and limited os. Which to me is kinda cheating in my book. All it does is fool the consumer into thinking ios runs that good. When in reality it's just a gutted race car with no luxuries. Do you really think something like that wouldn't be fast?
36. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I would stick to Android, for now. What we are seeing right now is still influenced by Steve Jobs' and Scott Forstall's work. Next year we should see what products Tim Cook and Jony Ive can come up with by themselves, and I have high expectations.
As for you trying to de-bunk the GPU scores, first, resolution does not matter in off screen tests. In off screen 1080p tests, where the A7 chip and Snapdragon 800 were both running a graphical benchmark in 1080p, they scored almost identically. It's only in on screen tests where you would see the A7 pull ahead in GPU performance because of the lower resolution.
Second, the OS has little to do with it as well. GFXBench is a very reputable cross-platform benchmark that is optimized correctly to be an accurate comparison between GPUs on different platforms by removing as many variables as possible, that is what it was made to do, and it does it well, that's why it is used by many reviewers. All things aside, the A7's GPU is about on par with the Adreno 330 in the Snapdragon 800.
48. DukeX (Posts: 327; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)
I doubt just because the gpu may be better it's on par with the 800. The 800 is overall faster. The a7 just doesn't have the grunt the a7 does. And you know a 64 bit cpu won't mean anything if the hardware doesn't have enough ram to support it or the apps are optimized to use it.
51. Penywyz (banned) (Posts: 255; Member since: 13 Aug 2013)
I've been saying it and saying it, and saying it.
You can't present Tech facts with apple iFans man. You're likely to receive the common among apple users comment when they realize they are paying MORE for LESS.
"I don't need all that man"
55. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Just because I'm defending Apple means I'm an iFan? That makes absolutely no sense, since I haven't used an iPhone as my personal device since 2011, and even then it was only a couple weeks before I switched back to Android. I also don't plan to use another iPhone until I see one with a larger display with HD resolution (at least 4.3" 720p).
54. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Yes, the 800 is faster overall, but all the 5S needs at this point is GPU power. The A6 runs everything in iOS 7 smoothly, but the added power in the A7 will just allow developers to make more intensive apps with more functionality and games with better graphics, both of which will be helped by the 64 bit chip and OpenGL ES 3.0 support. We don't NEED a more power CPU and GPU, but it helps advance the functionality of apps.
Apple has already said they will have developers make 64 bit apps for the iPhone 5S, and take advantage of the A7 chip; and all the native apps are already in 64 bit on the 5S. You don't have the added RAM that 64 bit is capable of, but you certainly do have the software enhancements that comes from it.
58. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
"You don't have the added RAM that 64 bit is capable of, but you certainly do have the software enhancements that comes from it."
Do you have a link to an objective site that explains the 'benefits' of 64-bit software in the absence of 4+Gb of RAM? Just because Apple is touting their 64-bit chips doesn't make the iP5S a world-beater because of 64-bit chips. The improved performance of the iP5S is due to improvements in the A7 (over the A6), the new and improved GPU, and the M7 chip offloading the functions it processes from the A7 chip.
Absent 4+Gb of RAM, 64-bits is like putting premium gas in a car that is designed for regular - the premium gas isn't going to increase the car's performance.
59. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I never said Apple is stomping the competition because of this chip, but saying it's useless in the current shape of smartphones isn't entirely true.
60. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Thank you for posting the link. Under the heading Drawbacks in the article, the second paragraph kind of brings the 64-bit hardware issue into context:
"All apps on Apple's App Store that pre-date the iPhone 5S will be written using 32-bit code. The 64-bit A7 chip can run these, but it remains to be seen if it will run them as efficiently as the older 32-bit A6 chip did. Any overheads will be mitigated by the fact that any iOS features they employ will be running 64-bit code, and that the A7 CPU is faster overall, including having a faster graphics system."
The last sentence in the paragraph seems to pull everything together. There may be a benefit from the additional registers of the 64-bit chip, but until 32-bit apps are re-written into 64-bit apps, the greater speed gain is likely to come from the faster A7 CPU along with a faster GPU. And, when applicable, having motion processing performed by the M7 chip.
I think you will find that for now, brute hardware speed is going to trump software efficiency (64-bit apps)
61. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4273; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I agree, we aren't going to see any major differences until developers start pushing out 64 bit apps. At least all the native features of iOS 7 are 64 bit though, and developers are usually quick to jump on the new iPhone.
With the pure power increase from the A7 CPU and PowerVR Rogue GPU, Open GL ES 3.0, and 64 bit optimization, developers definitely have more room to make more functional apps and graphically intense games for the iPhone 5S and future iPhones. The next couple years should be interesting for Apple. I also can't wait for the same on the Android side to start.
7. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)
If they sell a lot of them in China, it's going to impact sales elsewhere. Apple isn't the dominant OEM in China but they've made big inroads to selling iPhones there. Add to it, they now have two models for Foxconn to deal with. If there really are shortages, it's not a surprise.
It's still September, if there are shortages and they can get them lined out by Christmas, it's not going to impact Apple too drastically. Shortages during the holiday shopping season, that's another story.
8. blingblingthing (Posts: 522; Member since: 23 Oct 2012)
Can't Apple hire Jimmy Kimmel to sell the iPhone 5 as an iPhone 5s?
9. jaychildz (Posts: 113; Member since: 31 May 2013)
they'd buy it lol did you see when he had the ipad mini smh if you're gonna ride a companies nuts at least know their products
12. amiaq (Posts: 509; Member since: 30 Jun 2012)
Well now they're calculating 'number shipped' rather then the 'number sold'! Still it is disappointing.
16. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
If you haven't shipped any, you haven't sold any. And, for carriers, no shipments to them, means no iPs to sell. The last time this story played out, Android made some non-trivial sales gains.
27. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Yeah that is a change.
I still think their "number sold" figures are a combination of new, warranty, insurance, and refurb/used sales through apple and its licensed resellers. For example, customer buys defective iphone5s, returns it for replacement 5s, apple counts that as two "sales" because two phones passed through the sales channel. Then when that customer trades in the 5s for a future model, apple refurbishes it and sells it again, counting ot as a third sale, ad infinitum.
37. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
"For example, customer buys defective iphone5s, returns it for replacement 5s, apple counts that as two "sales" because two phones passed through the sales channel."
DoA units are never counted as 'sold'. No one ends up purchasing the DoA phone (unless some sap falls in love with the DoA unit and keeps it as a paper weight). Apple even returns the phone to its manufacturing partner who produced the DoA unit.
28. Luuthian (Posts: 240; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)
Between inventory problems and a diminished interest (although exactly how diminished is highly debatable) I doubt they'll be posting stellar numbers. Unless they want to include the 5c in the total sales somehow?
This is an interesting time because the launch of these phones is a huge litmus test, both for proving that the high end market is saturated and the overall current appeal of Apple's products.