Apple's outsourcing mentioned in presidential debate
0. phoneArena 17 Oct 2012, 01:31 posted on
During the presidential debate, moderator Candy Crowley brought up Apple as an example of one of the "great American companies" that sends manufacturing jobs overseas because they are cheaper; both candidates responded with Romney blaming China and the President seeking more skilled jobs for U.S. wage earners...
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1. wendygarett (unregistered)
It depends how much ifans in US willings to work as slavery as foxconn worker in order to make Apple profitable, Mr president :)
2. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
LOL thats a funny statement wendy but I sincerely doubt us americans would 1 put up with that kind of treatment and 2 apple knows better than to try and pull some stuff like that over here...
3. wendygarett (unregistered)
I'm not really understand your statement, can you please specify?
7. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
here I'll jus say this......Apple can get away with slave driving in some foreign country but doing so in their homeland will never happen. Americans will never put up with something like that wendy
8. wendygarett (unregistered)
Americans will never put up with something like that wendy
Lol but ifans themselves will :) they will think someway to help Apple to cut tax in homeland etc...
9. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
hahaha lorrrd i hope they're not that brainwashed! hopefully there is SOME KIND OF SENSE LEFT
10. wendygarett (unregistered)
If I'll be one of them, will you angry?
13. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)
hahaha........no wendy........just very sad :(
16. Topcat488 (Posts: 1396; Member since: 29 Sep 2012)
Why should anyone help Apple make more and more profits?!? Maybe it's time Apple gave back something instead of 1% to the poor. Cause the rich is getting richer, and the poor, poorer. Atleast Bill Gates suggested a vaccine to depopulate the poor. Eat the Rich...
4. wendygarett (unregistered)
Oh now I understand :)
That's why I say, eventhough government not allow to do that, iworker will find some way to make themselves as cheap as foxconn :)
25. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 886; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
Correction. Apple will just charge more for the phone. This will keep their profit margin high and people will buy it anyway. It's the sad truth.
12. lucky_american (Posts: 3; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
Why iFans in the US work at foxconn when they can enjoy using the iphone and letting the slave work for cheap...
iFans in the US can have a better life, better job.
17. Mittal (Posts: 493; Member since: 14 Dec 2011)
u can do better than to be calling those guys 'slave'
yes u are a lucky american who need not work at Foxconn
22. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
While I agree that America does need more high-paying jobs, we also need more low-paying ones. Unemployment has been hovering dangerously close to 10%, which means about 3 MILLION people not working, and without those workers, the economy suffers, those folks have to rely on government support which drains resources from other government programs, and everyone except the profiteers in the corporations that have outsourced their labor (and the laborers themselves, in terms of work versus no work) suffers.
26. quakan (Posts: 1373; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
It's 7.8 %...lowest in three years. If you watched the debate Obama plain and simply said those jobs are not coming back and added they are low skill jobs that we couldn't take back from the low wage Chinese workers. This is just something we'll have to count our losses with and work on being better skilled at what's currently offered with the businesses we have.
34. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
that 7.8% unemployment rate is misleading as it does not count those people who gave up hope of finding a job after a few years as well as those who no longer qualify for unemployment benefits....the figure is closer to 14%.
35. quakan (Posts: 1373; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
I honestly believe the whole "gave up looking" is a load of crap. I don't know who has it like that that they could decide they would no longer look for work anymore. Either these people just became new panhandlers or they are well off and decided they'd just sit back and relax. No one unemployed with a family or other responsibilities and priorities can just say, "Oh, I'll never find a job...oh well I'll stop looking".
31. Mario1017 (Posts: 336; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
Low paying jobs is what causes people to live poorly, they are unemployed because those low paying jobs are not enough to sustain a basic lifestyle. Unemployment has gone down to 7.8%, the reason is because high paying jobs have gone up, meaning people have gone up in the ranks leaving their old lower paying jobs for the previously unemployed.
5. ElektronicGeek91 (Posts: 105; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
Because Apple Inc is just a common name. It's like Pepsi, a brand name.
6. tiara6918 (Posts: 2036; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
"China has been cheating" is kinda offensive. Apple must have had their reasons for making their devices in china instead of u.s
19. Aeires (unregistered)
Yep, it's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ of profits.
23. SonyXperiaNexus (Posts: 374; Member since: 01 Oct 2012)
plus slavery you can get away with
27. quakan (Posts: 1373; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
I think it's offensive too. Especially to the workers who have no say in their wages or work conditions.
11. lucky_american (Posts: 3; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
Why blame China?? It's their lost valuing their currency lower than USA.
If China produce ipad for US$ 50 labor cost, and only got US$ 10, I think Apple is the one that got the profit, not China, not their labor. In fact, their labor will got only a little money that they could not experience their live with American standard. So, I think America should thanking China for being a fool if they really lowering their currency value.
and I think we all over the world really need to thank China for providing us a slave that willing to work cheap. Yes, I call them SLAVE.
14. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
Don't worry Mr President we have Fandroids who r willing to sell their souls to foreing company like SHAMESUNG aka COPYSUNG and try to make it american
30. Whateverman (Posts: 3262; Member since: 17 May 2009)
That looked like a really stupid statement. Maybe because I'm viewing it through the 4.3 inch screen of my MOTOROLA Droid Razr.
15. BadAssAbe (Posts: 456; Member since: 22 Apr 2011)
Its not china fault apple is ripping them. If they wanna work for dirt cheap they can, better than starving, even though apple is still taking advantage of them.
There will always be cheap labor somewhere. Look at home depot
18. pikapowerize (banned) (Posts: 1869; Member since: 03 May 2012)
LOL... really wanna know why? because the labor is really cheap... they sold their device with a very high price tag!
while if you want to a "made in USA" device, the labor is very expensive and the device will be sold very expensive too... thats the reason why nexus Q is expensive! coz its made in USA
20. DontHateOnS60 (Posts: 867; Member since: 20 Apr 2009)
Open up a factory and pay minimum wage. People will come. They will always work for money. Pay $5 an hour and people will work. Why because they're making nothing and $5 > 0. People are way too concerned about what's fair to workers when they should be concerned with what it would take to keep jobs in this country. Yes, even low paying ones, because in the end people are working and making money. Would you rather have 10 million unemployed or 9 million working a low wage job that they can choose to leave it stay at?
21. ithinkimjoe (Posts: 25; Member since: 19 Jan 2012)
wow, look at all the Fandroids here. this isn't an issue about "isheep" or anything to do with the OS. its all business. 1. it makes zero sense to manufacture things like this in the US. 2. all of the companies that produce the pieces need to make the phones are all in China, so why would they pay to ship every piece separately and then manufacture in the US? that'd be retarded. 3. all the companies producing Android phones have them built in China as well.
companies are in business for 1 reason, to make money. anyone with half a brain that ran a company that size would manufacture in China. it doesn't make sense to manufacture in the US. and they aren't doing anything illegal by manufacturing in other countries with low minimum wages, that's how that country is set up so people are going to use it.
24. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
The issue is that those companies used to be in the US, and they produced excellent quality products, and the country prospered for it. Motorola, IBM, Texus Instruments, etc, all supplanted for cheaper overseas options, with IBM now doing just software, and Moto and TI only shadows of their former selves. Buyers of same-country-made products also get the satisfaction of knowing you are supporting your fellow citizens' work, and more jobs and more spending leads to a stronger internal economy. China does have a lot of power due to its proximity to the places that acquire certain materials for tech, mostly metals and rare earth elements, so it's cheaper to ship those from the mines to the factories on the same continent, and likely safer as well without an ocean voyage. Be that as it may, with all of apple's billions, they could easily set up a new infrastructure in the US and bring jobs back to its home country, and pay taxes on its income, but they choose not to.
36. ithinkimjoe (Posts: 25; Member since: 19 Jan 2012)
i don't think Apple ever manufactured in the US, but I could be wrong. and like i said in the first statement, companies don't care about how people feel buying domestically produced products so long they buy the products.
and as a company, a business, that wants profits, why would they spend all the money to have to build infrastructure here, move the plants or build new ones, train the high number of employees required, have to pay new taxes, and have to pay to have all the individual pieces for the product imported? again, makes 0 sense to manufacture in the US in this industry.
last i recall Dell was one of, in not the only, big tech company to manufacture in the US, and look where they are now...
29. speckledapple (Posts: 892; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
No doubt that those jobs are the low wage type of jobs that would not benefit many people here. I would rather have a higher wage paying job as a means.
32. scsa852k (Posts: 329; Member since: 16 Oct 2012)
To call out another country and say that they've been cheating for stealing low paid almost slavery type of jobs is pretty much laughable.
How many Americans do you really think that they would be willing to work like dogs in factories under minimum salaries? Those jobs would still go to illegals if they were done in US. So what's the point?
Obama was straight to the point on this issue.
33. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
Can someone tell me what part of the hour he mention it? Cause I was watching it and switching back and forth at my tv but think i miss it didn't watch the hole debate