Apple's disappointments and successes with the iPhone 4S announcement
0. phoneArena 05 Oct 2011, 08:56 posted on
Apple's event shows it has fallen into the Mac routine, where it may not be able to lead on all features or hardware, but will on focus on its core competencies, as well as unity, experience, and customer loyalty...
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111. cornerofthemoon (Posts: 546; Member since: 20 Apr 2010)
I think I'm going to replace my white 2009 Ford Ranger with the white 2011 model. They look completely identical but the new model has some new wires and thing-a-ma-jigs inside the hood. I can't wait to impress my friends and all the ladies when they see me pull it up in my driveway. WOO HOO!
140. snowgator (Posts: 3345; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
We ALL know -- Chicks dig the short bed....
150. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Your analogy is a bit off. Rather than "new wires and thing-a-ma-jigs", a more apt analogy would be if it were a new engine with more horsepower and better fuel efficiency. Oh, and the Ford Ranger would have to cost no more than $600. Don't underestimate the difference between single and dual-core, especially with the software optimization that we know Apple does.
112. joaolx (Posts: 364; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)
People think it's late for this phone and for a dual-core. The A5 dual-core cpu, according to tests,on the iPad 2 is 2 times faster than SGS2, and they upgraded it for power-eficiency. The camera is far better. Bigger images with much more detail, one more lens for more sharpness, filter for better color and white balance. Catches 73% more light than the 5 MP on the iPhone 4, and shoots 1080p. It´s a world phone with CDMA and GSM. Better antenna. And Siri which is amazing but only works with internet connection(Who has money for an iPhone has money for 3G,so it's not a problem). Either way, i was hoping for a new design. It doesn't have 4G but they doubled the download to 14.4 Mb/s so it's has fast as 4G.
125. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
"they doubled the download to 14.4 Mb/s so it's has fast as 4G"
Only if you stick with AT&T. Verizon and Sprint are stuck at 3G speeds.
130. remixfa (Posts: 14252; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
did you miss the part where Sprint got wimax like 2 years ago, VZW has super fast LTE and Tmobile's HSPA+ goes up to 44mb/s??
the slowest = ATT.
132. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
No, I'm saying that without LTE or WiMax, the iPhone 4S is stuck at 3G speeds on Verizon and Sprint. Which is true.
Just saying the speed argument by Apple is moot for Verizon and Sprint. Only AT&T gets a speed increase. They conveniently left that part out of the presentation.
156. remixfa (Posts: 14252; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
oh ok, i misunderstood you. completly true then. lol
178. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Right, and the theoretical speed of EVDO Rev.A is 3.1 Mb/s. There wasn't much more they could squeeze out of EVDO. It's just incredibly disingenuous that Apple even had slides about connection speeds when they didn't apply to 2 out of 3 providers.
114. android_hitman (unregistered)
thank you phone arena for a wonderful iphone4s advertisement!
151. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I'm fairly sure that Apple would never let this article past its marketing team...
123. MasterCylinder (Posts: 6; Member since: 28 Mar 2011)
Faster processor, improved antennae, camera & display rez, 1080p video, better battery, iCloud auto syncing of pics, apps & vid, plus integrated Siri makes it quite tempting to upgrade to 4s but may just wait until June for the 5. Was hoping for bigger screen, at least 4".
152. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
There is no way Apple is releasing the iPhone 5 in June. You're more likely going to have to wait til next October for that one.
218. JGuinan007 (Posts: 647; Member since: 19 May 2011)
With the drop of their shares in the market yesterday after the big disapointment you don't think investors will be screaming for apple to release iphone 5 in june and go back to the previous game plan? sure more carriers are carrying Iphone globally now but if they arent going to mave as fast as previous versions they aren't really make as big a profit as they aimed for and maybe lose more, anyway I hope to see them bring out the Iphone5 ASAP more along the the way the rumors said it would be and with an apple game pad
153. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Not changing the design isn't the same as not changing anything.
161. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I'm pretty sure yann was just playing on Apple's tagline. At least they didn't get up there with the 4S and claim "this changes everything again" when what they really did was update to stay competitive.
Give Apple credit where due - they have a great product and have since 2008, but their days of "changing everything" are behind them when it comes to iPhone.
179. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Apple is definitely the king of hyperbole in its marketing, but usually there is enough there to make consumers happy. I think that's the case with the 4S, but people are just extra disappointed because of the crazy rumors.
131. Erik G (unregistered)
Apple is going to have to resort to a "I'm an Iphone, I'm an Android" type commercial. Apple continue to do what it does best, sell to consumers who are more interested in "lifestyle" devices rather than devices that are built to perform.
180. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I would actually love to see that. Regardless of the actual content and logic of the arguments in the ads, I loved those ads. It would be interesting to see how Apple would characterize the "I'm an Android" guy.
184. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Would they feature a pocket-sized John Hodgeman? I love that guy!
210. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2693; Member since: 26 May 2011)
I love John Hodgman, but I can't imagine him being Android.
230. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Nah, he'd be playing the iPhone this time. >:)
254. Denney (unregistered)
I think that route would be kind of useless. With the "I'm a Mac" ads there were distinct optimizations being made to apple computers at the time that were strides ahead of the available windows platforms. They had facts that they could play with to promote an obviously superior peice of hardware.
With the iPhone on the other hand, there is nothing an iPhone can do that an equally yolked android (or sexy new WP7 device) cannot. They could not make a real statement about the iPhone's superiority without being completely non-truthful.
134. VZW_VW (unregistered)
Alright guys! we have to admit I'm a vzw rep and no lie i abosolutely love my Blackberry Bold and just like My Thunderbolt. Yes i know iPhone4s its just a slight upgrade of what the iPhone4 was but the iPhone4 is a device i never see come back into my store other than to get accessories, or the customer to buy another one. Its a reliable device and by not offering much more than my Android does.Now reasons why i would not get an iPhone 4s? well just the 4g LTE really and the bigger screen and Apple will never the the turn by turn navigation. Reasons why i would get it? its going to offer me everything my current Android offers me with the difference i know it wont force-close apps all the time and it will provide a great batt life. The only reason my batt goes all day on my thunderbolt is because i have two phones and that scares me on thinking what if i only had the thunderbolt? i will be dead. So yes guys iPhone just catched up to Androids features and hardware and ofcourse Android will always be ahead on hardware and features the real question is which is going to operate well and be reliable? take it from someone that its in this world 6 days out of the week. I always see my Android come back with issues never seen an iPhone with an issue other than being customer created... BTW Droid Bionic is extremely Amazing!
137. lol@UbeingaRep (unregistered)
LOL @vzw, if you are a rep and dont see iPhone issues, than either you dont work much or your customers know they are screwed and have to go to apple for their help.
I get at least 4 to 6 iPhones with all types of issues PER DAY in my AT&T stores.
So it took 16 months for an average camera update, a voice program that MOST people will not make use of other than for calls and text also its a BETA, (I mean really who wants to sit around in public talking to their phone like its their only friend?), and a dual core processor so you can play games on your TINY screen...Oh yeah, dont drop it, the back is still crappy shattering glass.
Way to go apple! You still have your pathetic sheep but the general public can now see what a joke you are.
PS: Way to copy BBM, Android, and Windows all in one software update!
138. lol@UbeingaRep (unregistered)
PS: Please spell check your stuff..."Catched"? Youre a sale rep? Youre obviously underqualified to be giving out information to ANY customers with ideas like those.
141. VZW_VW (unregistered)
Man you guys are deff getting the wrong point, and please have some respect towards someones comment. Its just a comment and a thought, or you want me type a damn comment in MLA format? You guys obviosuly dint notice i lean towards Android but like how Apple is reliable. Nexus Prime, Galaxy S II and Bionic phone that truly pass the New/Old iPhone4s. I dont mind Glitches because i know how to handle them. Also @Ubeingarep you do have to notice that every 10 smartphones sold in a VZW retail Location only 2 are iPhones thats why we dont get many back. AT&T has sold a ton of iPhones which is why you seem a lot of them come back. Sorry for not specifying my thoughts. I imagined we all are grown people here and could leave the fanboy thought a part and think smart.
143. VZW_VW (unregistered)
obviously* Phones* See* before I get yelled at again by Shakespeare here ^^
157. NoFanBoyHere (unregistered)
Actually I dont care your views on Android, I like Android but Windows Phone with Mango is by far the most balanced OS out there and everyone should really start looking to switch once the new hardware WPs come out.
Most ANDROID issues are USER related seeing as they run their phones into the ground and they have no idea how to close their apps properly...Most people shouldnt buy Android as far as NORMAL people go, because it IS complicated, but thats because it does SO much more than iOS and gives you so many options.
iPhones are just over priced app launchers that cant even make phone calls properly and shatter when the wind blows.
I was just pointing out that where your views are on who has issues and why, are completely misplaced.
162. gallitoking (Posts: 4700; Member since: 17 May 2011)
is funny how the Apple non consumer call it a fail... who care you guys are not Apple consumers... I want to heart from people planning to buy the iphone and were dissapointed... like me I could care less about the Prime... and if it lags or comes out with problems like the SGSII ..I dont care,.,
165. lol@S2Lag (unregistered)
LOL @ the sgii lagging? What?! Ive sold like 20 in the last 2 days at AT&T and everyone has come back saying how amazing the phone is and how its the greatest device ever!
166. gallitoking (Posts: 4700; Member since: 17 May 2011)
175. LOLOLOLOLOK (unregistered)
Yeah look at PA's SOLID Sources "Some Users have reported"...
To who? When people had issues with the iPhones Antenna PA said "listen to Jobs and hold your phone different, its not that bad".
If you havent noticed, this site is highly biased in MOST articles.
You can't quote "Some users" as a credible source. I am an ATT rep, can I be used as a solid source, stating that 80% of phone issues I deal with daily are from iPhones and their users?
Does that make that stat worthy of a PA thread?
200. gallitoking (Posts: 4700; Member since: 17 May 2011)
specs can be upgraded.. bugs..well they wil be around ..still....
sup thumper... nice to see you around here...
203. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
not on a specific device.
hello my friend. thanks, it's good to see you too. (:
206. gallitoking (Posts: 4700; Member since: 17 May 2011)
Apple will be ok... trust me.. the iphone followers are ok... heck I will have a dual core.. more than I need thought.. but is nice to have.. plus I have the Apple logo on my phone.... that to me is comfort..
222. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
i'm sure it will however after yesterday that Apple logo doesn't mean what it once did. think hard before you sign a two year contract on a device that's already behind the curb compared to devices available now that are about to get succeeded by even more powerful devices.
226. gallitoking (Posts: 4700; Member since: 17 May 2011)
not concerned about that. verizon has me for ever... I am concerned however that... next year I want the iphone 5.. so hmmmm but thanks for the advice
172. remixfa (Posts: 14252; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
gallito, APPLE cares about non apple customers. How do you think they get new smartphone customers? By enticing people to try it. When you have site after site, person after person, negatively viewing the new i4s, that is going to create a lot of negative publicity. That is going to drive away possible customers. Apple cant GROW unless it attracts NEW customers. And concidering that last poll that showed like only 15-20% of people that wanted the i5 were willing to buy an i4s, apple should worry a little bit. It will still sell, but its not going to be a record breaker.
Apple has grown like wildfire not on the back of technology but on the back of great advertising and a huge amount of dedicated positive word of mouth. If 20 friends tell you the iphone is awesome, you are gonna wanna try it. If 20 friends tell you the new iphone blows, you are probably not going to try it. When you go in a store and sales reps try to convince you to try something else thats more "current" like a high end android phone, you are less likely to buy an iphone. Businesses NEED positive press. Apple is no exception. If it loses the faith of its consumers, which judging by the responces around the net from iphone fans, its going to lose a lot of business.
191. gallitoking (Posts: 4700; Member since: 17 May 2011)
true, thats how they got me...I hated Apple but Android piss me off went to Apple ..same thing happens to people that is mad at Apple ..they tried another OS..and few companies try to bring you back.. the Nokia N9 is also in my radar... after I am done with the iphone 4s.. sorry didnt read all the things you said... but got the keypoints... and we do agreed on that
182. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
There's a difference between "not Apple consumers" and "Android consumers". I'm not currently a smartphone owner. I'm eligible for an upgrade this month. Apple could have possibly swayed me if they had offered a larger screen and LTE. They refused to adapt their development strategy with the times, so I will undoubtedly buy an Android phone this month. That's where the 4S is a fail... it failed to snag potential new customers like ME.
197. gallitoking (Posts: 4700; Member since: 17 May 2011)
I also wanted a 4 inch screen, but i will stil buy it. for the stability Apple offers.. I dont do much with my phone so Apple is perfect for me.... sorry Roldefol... it didnt work for you man..
201. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Sounds like you're blaming the consumer, not the product. ;)
I want a stable product too, but I also want a future-proof phone. I'm going to have to live with my choice for 20+ months, so LTE was essential. I knew Apple was a longshot, but they could've surprised me. Nope, same old Apple.
211. gallitoking (Posts: 4700; Member since: 17 May 2011)
well the product is what it is... right.. maybe once we demand more ..then we will get more...
231. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I think this is the big missed opportunity. Verizon is pushing smartphones like nothing else: limiting their selection of viable featurephones, offering early upgrades to dumbphone owners, $100 gift cards, etc. With all those incentives in place, it would have been a great time for the iPhone to leap back into pole position. But that's not their style. If a customer walks into a VZW store in November and asks for the fastest phone, will they be shown a Vigor, a Prime, or the iPhone 4S?
168. celtichazard (unregistered)
thisis why apple try to stop the other phonemakers like Htc and Samsgung trow patents sues
Apple at this time dont have the innovation, creativity and research development like samsung.
Bad for applea and good for the other guys micro, nokia, samsung, htc
170. yupyup (unregistered)
Everyone is talking about google and how they will be on top. Don't forget about windows 7.5. With the new update and new phones headed are way I think people will have a big wake up call.
183. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
I don't see iphone fanboys ever flocking into any android articles when an android device gets launched like android fanboys flock into articles on an iphone launch, hahahahaha.
Android fanboys' reactions are so pathetic. Even more so with the launch of the ip4s. Which gives me the impression that android fanboys are worried and once again oozing with insecurity.
Yes, there were disappointments. But those disappointments were not caused by Apple. But by expectations from tech blogs and the media. Apple never promised a 4" display or an LTE phone. Expectations are normal. But the media and blog sites went overboard with their expectations and they entertained rumors too much, and that was the problem.
The ip4s is one fine phone, that will again outsell the competition. And yes, there are mostly negative comments on here. Negative comments coming from android fanboys who are not getting the ip4s anyway, hahahaha.
186. remixfa (Posts: 14252; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
right, because its only android guys in all those SGS2 and Nexus Prime articles.. lol
who is worried. if you knew how to read, you would see most everyone is LAUGHING at iOS5 and the i4s. Noone is "worried" about apple at this moment. If peter were here, he would tell u how great this news is, as now apple's downfall will be Bada's uprising. lol
Other than your hippocritical fanboy BS, i have noticed one thing. For the most part all of you and your ibot buddies have stopped with your "i4s/i5 will rulz teh worldz" crap. I guess even you crazed ibots can see that apple flopped on this phone.
Had it come out in june, it would have been semi relevant. Time has already passed it by. And now you get to wait till probably this time next year to see what apple will bring with the i5 while android is just about to bring out the quad cores and Windows is stepping up their game. Your starting out in last place and only falling farther behind.
194. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@remix. Because we're not insecure like you android fanboys are. We like to know what's new with android, and that's it. We're not out here to attack android users by making their choice like you android fanboys attack us for making our choice.
Who's laughing? Android fanboys. The ip4s is not on sale yet. So as to why you guys are laughing, I really don't know why, lol. But haven't you guys been laughing over wrong assumptions and predictions in the past? Lol.
Remix. Unlike you, I will not claim that the ip4s will rule the sales charts until I actually see the sales figures. We're not dumb like android fanboys are already having a victory party when the ip4s has not even been released for sale yet. But I guess you android fanboys are already used to making wrong assumptions :) That's why you guys are shameless about making another wrong judgement :)
How can you say that time has already passed it? Do you see any quad core phones around? Do you see any phones with retina display around? Do you see any phone with a voice assistant as advanced as Siri? Also, the ip4s camera looks like a true winner. So I think you are making another wrong assumption. Nice try android fanboy :)
219. lolwut (unregistered)
did you say android fanboy? i think you said android fanboy.
240. remixfa (Posts: 14252; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
LG uses the retina display AKA Nova display in other phones
The next gen that is about to be released into the wild, of samsung SA+ HD screens carry a higher resolution, better color, and a higher PPI than the retina display.
Quad cores are supposed to be dropping by november, mere days or weeks after the ip4s is going to go on sale.
Android phones voice assistance is more advanced than siri. it does more, and works with more apps. Siri's only advantage is that it can pick up key words and phrases for natural speech instead of androids current "say the exact phrase" on its voice navigation. We will find out in less than a week if that is going to be updated.
the iph4s camera looks nice but its on par with current android offerings that have been out for 6 months. ICS is supposed to be redesigning the camera software, so we will see if that holds true or not. if it does, the ip4s is behind there as well.
do you assume that the ip4s wont be a big seller? We all assume it will be. Its just not going to set sales records like the ip4 did. There was a huge uptick in iphone interest after the iOS4/iphone4 announcement last year. This is the first time in history that apple announced an iphone and its stock plummeted. You should take that into concideration. That means people were selling off their shares after they saw what was coming down the pipes.
so.. uhh... what assumption was wrong again?? lol quit being such a blind fanboy and actually do some research.
I would love to take a side bet that more often than not when the ip4s is placed next to a nexus prime IN STORE on each carrier, the nexus takes more sales.
193. roldefol (Posts: 3260; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
I don't doubt that Android fans' reaction is fueled by schadenfreude. Apple has in fact been very successful with a solid product for the last 4 years. This is the first time Apple spectacularly failed to satisfy the market's expectations with a product intro. Is it mature of the other side to gloat? No, but for once there's substance behind the gloating.
Yes, the 4S will sell well, better than any single Android device. But it's not likely to win Apple many new fans outside of current Sprint customers.
199. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
@rolde. As I have said. The expectations on the next iphone was an overkill. Because of that, everyone started envisioning what the next iphone would be like based on those expectations. The biggest expectation was a redesign with a bigger screen. It was such a big expectation that people actually accepted it to be a fact (me included). And that caused the disappointments.
But now that the next iphone has finally been revealed. People will look at it more and see what it offers. Realization will then sink in that this is what the next iphone will be like. Then acceptance will follow. And then another realization will kick in that the ip4s is actually an awesome device :)
215. snowgator (Posts: 3345; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Reasonable post. I think this update to the iPhone is a nice step up from the group of iPhone users who had the iPhone 3 and 3GS, those that are due from a 2 year commitment. It will be a huge breathe of fresh air to those on Sprint who want a true option other than Android. Most tech sites I have visited just expected more bells and whistles. We will just have to wait and see it performs, and see how it catches fire one it goes on sale.
192. gallitoking (Posts: 4700; Member since: 17 May 2011)
wait a minute.. Apple is ruling the world.... still.... it just taking more time than planned... hmmmmm