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Apple's disappointments and successes with the iPhone 4S announcement

0. phoneArena 05 Oct 2011, 08:56 posted on

Apple's event shows it has fallen into the Mac routine, where it may not be able to lead on all features or hardware, but will on focus on its core competencies, as well as unity, experience, and customer loyalty...

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posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:27 1

68. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)


maybe you missed the articles of HD screens coming on a few Android devices by year's end.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 02:12

96. s (unregistered)


best resolution cus of that tiny screen they have

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 09:43

126. roldefol (Posts: 4359; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


No, best resolution because they sprang for the highest resolution screen LG could provide them. Even comparably sized Android phones like the Droid 2 didn't have the same resolution. It's only now with the upcoming HTC Vigor and Samsung Prime that Android will finally trump Apple's display.

posted on 04 Oct 2011, 23:59 1

23. Anti-Fanboy (Posts: 38; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)


see taco, when you are calm, clear, and have solid facts, you dont sound like an idiot (i mean that in the nicest way possible). i acctually agree with a few of your points

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:13 1

29. twenti7 (Posts: 152; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)


Very good points, taco. This phone is gonna be a fantastic phone irregardless of whether or not they used last years body. While I don't personally like it (it looks great, but the sharp edges make it painful for me to hold; I have the same issue with the LG Revolution and most Motorola phones), many people do and that's what this whole "choice" thing is all about. However, I personally think that Apple made a mistake by keeping the body of this phone completely identical to the last.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:20

32. biophone (Posts: 1993; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Its a lot to do a redesign of the body better then the iPhone 4. Apple has a lot on its plate considering they are most likely working on the iPad 3 the entire mac line with the airs along with the new iPod lines. They also had to ready the iPhone for two new carriers. If you look at the trends they seem to keep a body for two years so expect the iPhone 5 to have a new body pack an a6 under the hood with super fast lte speeds.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:28 5

36. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Every time someone says "irregardless" God punches a puppy in the testicles.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:26 1

35. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Honestly, we'll never really know whether this phone itself will be a huge hit. Apple doesn't separate sales reports by model and have in fact taken to lumping all iOS devices together (like they did today) to boost public perception of their sales. They will simultaneously be dropping the price of the 3GS to free and giving out 100 buck iPhone 4's (taking a page out of Android's playbook).

Oh, and one more thing (Columbo reference, not Jobs reference): How many Android users were saying they were switching to the next iPhone? I'm pretty sure last time you addressed it you insisted the percentage was 52. Am I correct?

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:31

37. biophone (Posts: 1993; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Clearly this iPhone is not that big of a leap so there will definitely be some android users switching because its now available on sprint however i won't be near 52.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:50 3

42. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Lol. I keep bringing this up to Taco because he insisted that an immobility survey said that 52 percent of Android users will switch to the next iPhone. I tracked down the original survey press release on InMobi's site, which BGR had posted as well (but had misquoted, an error Phonearena repeated and never fixed) and posted the link to demonstrate that the 52 percent applied to Blackberry owners instead, and only if the phone being announced was an iPhone 5 (major redesign/upgrade). The Android number was 27/28 percent under the same conditions, and the Android and iPhone user percentages who would go to a 4S were 11 apiece. Since then Taco has only responded sparingly to my posts and always gone silent/ignored me when I've pointed out his mistake.

I'm pursuing this because recently Taco has gotten very arrogant toward other users and has declared himself an almighty god of a poster who is never ever wrong. That hasn't sat well with me, so I aim to make him understand what a fool he's made of himself by not fact checking and insisting with his wrongness while pissing on those who have corrected him, as well as attacking people like me for raising questions about Apple's sales based on Apple's own quarterly reports as taken from their press releases.

In conclusion: Taco's ego needs clipping, and I'm making sure it gets done.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:50 1

43. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


InMobi* not immobility.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 17:52

233. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


ok Sniggly the reason taco used 52 % it was because it was in an article.. he didnt do the questionare... yo on the other hand have proven that YOUR math have been invented with no source what so ever... i am on team taco on this one.... he doesnt cook up numbers...

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:58 2

46. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Your "math equations" are ridiculous and everyone knows it. You're not even on my level sniggly.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:04 4

48. biophone (Posts: 1993; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


way to prove snigglys point. You give people who like the iPhone a bad name. Well your not as bad as the mix though i will give you that.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:22 1

60. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Agreeing with sniggly makes you look really bad. You may want to edit this post. That guy is really brain damaged

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:33 1

70. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


You just don't know when to quit, do you Taco? You know, take a lesson from my new profile pic. The Iron Giant was designed as a super death machine, but through awesome circumstances ended up pretty harmless and intact heroic. He only became a super death machine again when the idiot government agent, paranoid, arrogant, power hungry and obsessed with the Giant's destruction, persuaded the military to attack him. If you would stop insisting on these foolish attacks on me and everyone who agrees with/likes me, I'd pretty much leave you alone. In fact, when you seemed to try to be nice for a day, I DEFENDED YOU and tried to encourage you to continue being nice to people.

At this stage of the game, however, you've slapped back at all of the goodwill we've tried to muster for you and instead kept going on and on about how much fandroids suck and how Android deserves to get beaten down and how you're always right and everyone who disagrees with you is a poor, ignorant hick...

It's gotten old. Really. Enough is enough. I don't even know if I'm as old as you, but it's time for you to grow the f**k up.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:37

72. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


What??? You need to get out the house more. Not sure what this nerd scifi diarrhea is about.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:38 1

76. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


It's called an analogy, Taco. Something sci fi is very good at. If you didn't insist on being a meathead you might know this.

What was that percentage again?

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:21 1

59. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


They may not be right sometimes, a fact I readily admit. You, however, have yet to admit that you screwed up and that I called you on it.

And like Biophone said, you proved my point beautifully.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 17:54

234. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


you always claim to be neutral.. you have never admitted... that you hate Apple sooo much but never admitt that your hate blinds you... but according to PA you are neautral.. so please admitt that you hate for Apple blinds you of the truth.. sometimes.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:04 2

49. biophone (Posts: 1993; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Yeah well its taco what do you expect. Anyway i usually don't believe surveys anyway. Never that accurate.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:24 1

62. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Oh sure. I'm pretty sure the survey won't reflect the reality of sales myself. I'm latching onto Taco over this mistake because he was quoting the incorrect percentage as gospel truth and using it to say that the next iPhone was going to totally destroy Android.

It's all very petty, but I'm not inclined to suffer fools lightly, especially when they put on airs of supreme intelligence.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 09:50 1

129. roldefol (Posts: 4359; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


That survey report really ticked me off, because its was such a huge glaring error that could be abused as "facts" by people like Taco. It stank of deliberate manipulation for the express purpose of making an anti-Android headline. You don't need a "math equation" to prove 11% is a fat lot smaller than 52%.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:04 1

50. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Almost a respectable post (for once)..

But seeing you repeatedly calling out fandroids bashing *pple always amuses me, mostly because you're completely unaware of how much of a hypocrite you are. There are fans of android who respect the products and marketing *pple puts forth.. how can you not? But the flaming comments you make against android are the very things that illicit those responses. Unfortunately, I know there's no stopping your lusting after anything *pple, so I digress...

iOS 5 is a big leap forward FOR i*hone DEVICES ONLY. Android has been enjoying them for quite some time, and there's no denying it. Yes, the 4S will be a big seller, but *pple has to realize things are moving too fast in the smartphone landscape to only release a NEW new device every two years. Today's announcement was a big swing and miss, especially considering ICS and Nexus are just around the corner, and windows devices are gaining momentum. As some have stated, *pple has lost its momentum.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:09

52. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


sorry, this post was @taco

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:17 1

56. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


IOS 5 is a much better OS than android. The prime will be announced and forgotten in a month.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:39 1

77. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)


fool, don't be so ignorant.

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:42 1

81. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


What was that percentage again Taco?

I think this is a question everyone should start asking you. Was it 52? 52 percent of Android users wanting to switch to the next iPhone? You seemed so sure, and you're never wrong, so 52 must be the percentage, right?

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 17:57

235. gallitoking (Posts: 4720; Member since: 17 May 2011)


true the SGSII is already forgotten. only Rory is still in love with that device... everyone else is looking forward to the Prime....

posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:04 1

51. Stuntman (Posts: 836; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)


iOS 5 is a step forward for iOS users, but that has already been announced in June. As well as iCloud.

What I found intriguing about this announcement was Siri. Although I understand that such functionality is not exactly new, it is the first I have seen of such technology. The video does make it look very smooth, but I want to see a live demonstration rather than a nicely edited video to see how well it really works.

I was expecting a larger screen. Nothing gigantic like the 4.5", but something closer to 4" at least. It probably isn't going to happen since Apple marketed the "retina display" for the iPhone 4. If they make the screen bigger without increasing the resolution, it would reduce the pixel density and affect how they can market the "retina display".

Android fans chose an Android phone for certain particular reasons. It would be a mistake for Apple to try to chase after that market segment. Although there is some overlap in features, (I think screen size is one of them) the iPhone is targeted at a different market segment.

Although the iPhone 4S does not appeal to me for various reasons, it is good for people who don't like the phone that I have. The markets seem to also be underwhelmed by today's announcement. The true test will be in a couple of weeks when it is released to consumers. They will ultimately decide via their pocket books whether or not in fact the iPhone 4S is underwhelming.

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