Apple's disappointments and successes with the iPhone 4S announcement
0. phoneArena posted on 05 Oct 2011, 08:56
Apple's event shows it has fallen into the Mac routine, where it may not be able to lead on all features or hardware, but will on focus on its core competencies, as well as unity, experience, and customer loyalty...
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74. Thump3rDX17 posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:37 1 0
i agree with your hypothesis about how the release date could have changed this phone's fate however the 4S just came up too short in too many categories to remain a commanding presence in advanced specifications beyond even 3-4 months. it'll still hold weight because it's an iPhone but for from now until maybe the next iPhone announcement Android phones will be superior by a pretty large margin.
27. notbeingsohappy (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:10 1 0
my first smartphone was the 3gs, then i had the 4. now again apple releases a marginal update. ive had it. my contract with my carrier is up in a couple months. im jumping to sprint and getting myself a phone with 4g, dual core, 4.3+" screen, NFC, & (hopefully ICS).
28. notbeingsohappy (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:11 0 0
sorry i meant to say 1.5GHz dual core, not just dual core
30. Dude (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:16 0 0
Siri does dictation inside txting, this guy must not have paid attention at the announcement. Siri mic on any keyboard...remember
33. had2chimein (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:24 1 0
android will have that soon. with ICS most likely. except it will have a badass name .
38. notbadatall (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:39 0 0
I remember seeing that too...(Siri dictation)
Actually, there is a misconception that smartphone is just hardware. It should be a perfect blend of hardware and software.
iPhone *still* is the best looking phone.
Yes, I'm disappointed that it still has a 3.5" screen. But, if Siri works flawlessly, and Apple builds well on top of that, this is indeed a great upgrade.
The screen might be small. But, this is a well built phone, all around.
39. sprinter777 (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:45 0 0
i think it is hardware, software, and the network. the next nexus device running ICS and the next wave of android devices coming over the next month on a 4g LTE or WiMAX network are the best option for me anyway.
216. PRPCTECH (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 15:09 0 0
Although not perfect, I used dictaion on my Samsung Galsxy S already so what is the big deal here? The fascinate is an old phone in todays standards so again what is the big deal?
40. ZAK (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:45 2 0
In fact, people are disappointed because of Apple's potential to produce something ground shaking, which is not the case in the announcement of iPhone 4S.
Furthermore, I doubt, Apple has something hidden in its sleeves, may be iPhone 5.
There may be 2 strategic reasons for it:
1. iPhone 5 can be announced couple of months later to counter continuously introduced Android devices in the market each month. Or,
2. Apple may not be ready to introduce iPhone 5 at this stage due to some technical issues (Which remained in the rumors).
Just a guess!!!!!
44. absolutezero (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 00:53 0 0
Great article my thaughts exactly as for me im going to wait for the iphon5 but until then its htc for me lol
47. baD_Apple (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:02 1 0
i wonder if the apple fan boys are going to mutiny on tim cook. lol
54. Thump3rDX17 posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:15 1 0
shut up Phone Arena. you guys weren't so soft on the Droid Bionic and it's the exact same scenario. don't try to soothe your iFan base when Apple fails and not be bothered to do it for your Android fan base when Motorola did nothing more than deliver on their promise for a LTE, Dual-Core powerhouse (which is more than we can say for this iPhone 4S) and not bring some kind of surprise to really excite you guys. the Droid Bionic is way better than this phone.
58. taco50 (banned) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:20 1 3
Haha you're whining won't help you fanboy. Michael is actually a pretty big proponent of android and I'd say a little biased against Apple and iOS. He's the last person you'd accuse of being pro Apple.
Bionic will be end of life by Christmas.
64. Sniggly posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:26 1 0
And in its place will be the DROID HD/RAZR/some other better name, like a proper spelling of Razor.
What was that percentage again, Taco?
83. Thump3rDX17 posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:45 1 1
Michael's work is overrated but i'm not questioning his reputation now, i'm questioning the position he's taken trying to justify the biggest failure of an iPhone when such an act was un-thought of for a device of similar caliber and delays.
89. Sniggly posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:54 1 0
The original iPhone was the biggest failure. 600 bucks, lacking features other smartphones had at the time, fragile, etc. This iPhone will be good, but it does not bear any mark of true innovation.
93. Thump3rDX17 posted on 05 Oct 2011, 02:02 1 0
even the original iPhone had real effort put into it which is always admirable but the 4S is nothing more than something to keep Apple afloat in a sea of high-powered Android devices and it was even met by delay, innovation should be delayed by Apple not this.
95. Sniggly posted on 05 Oct 2011, 02:11 1 0
I think the delay is the only real factor here that makes it a true disappointment. If this had been released on the same schedule as the other iPhones it would have beaten out all of the major dual core competitors except for the Atrix. And although I maintain that the only reason this year's iPhone is dual core is because of Android's dual core push, it is the biggest leap in processing power they've ever included on an iPhone.
98. Thump3rDX17 posted on 05 Oct 2011, 02:18 1 1
what was out in the iPhone launch's time frame? i agree with you there but here we are in October talking about yesterday's iPhone launch. there's not even bad upgrades but the time for those is long gone. all smartphones especially the once a year refreshing iPhone needs to look good in the long run to be of any real competitive value. the 4S doesn't succeed to do so.
145. MichaelHeller posted on 05 Oct 2011, 10:39 2 0
I think you've confused the word "failure" for "disappointment". The iPhone 4S was disappointing because of the overwhelming hype, but it's still a good phone that will be competitive with most high-end devices.
154. roldefol posted on 05 Oct 2011, 10:53 0 0
Agreed. Both Apple (iPhone 4S) and Motorola (Bionic) lost the PR game, but for different reasons: Apple by its silence in the face of months high expectations, Motorola by announcing an incomplete product months ahead of time. Both the iPhone 4S and Bionic are great phones, but their introductions were botched.
That said, Motorola can rebound by making the Droid Razr a great product and introducing it properly - soon - while Apple will have to wait until next year.
188. Thump3rDX17 posted on 05 Oct 2011, 13:21 0 0
this outcome is classified as only disappointing to people with a vested interest in the next generation of iPhone, i realize it's a power in the world and it will remain to be as such however to a mere observer daring Apple to impress him this disappointment equals failure. don't misconstrue my words to create a point that i'm well aware of. the failure in the context in which i've used it is the failure this is to a man that's had a phone with the same capabilities for over two months that expects more from Apple than a phone that can only remain afloat in terms of popularity and competitive yet limited specifications.
209. MichaelHeller posted on 05 Oct 2011, 14:31 0 0
I can understand the idea that people expected more from Apple, but my feeling is that with the iPhone 4S, Apple has slipped into its Mac routine. It's not leading the pack, and we shouldn't expect it to. It will have some features that are better than the competition, but nothing exceptionally compelling for many users. That's why I point to the design as the big disappointment, because at this point, design seems to be the only thing that Apple can lead on, because it certainly won't be a leader in specs or features from here on out. Now, it's back to Apple's strengths with design and a unified experience.
221. Thump3rDX17 posted on 05 Oct 2011, 15:42 0 0
agreed. if this move by Apple has taught me anything it's that.
229. roldefol posted on 05 Oct 2011, 17:12 0 0
And ironically it's Samsung - they of the copycat packaging and TouchWiz - that looks to have the edge in design, if that Nexus Prime teaser is any indication.
232. gallitoking posted on 05 Oct 2011, 17:44 0 2
thank you Michael.. even though not bashing Apple made you some enemies withthe fandroids... but dont worry... they are bored waiting for the Prime even though that SGSII has not been relelased in every carrier yet and already have forgotten about them.. thats how they are..
66. biophone posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:26 0 0
I disagree that the droid bionic is better each have their pros and cons.
I will list some majors pros for both of these great phones
Pros for droid: LTE, Flash, Customization, Widgets, LIve wallpapers, open Market, Bigger screen (if you like that).
Pros for Iphone: Battery life, thinner, less crashes, iPod intreated into a phone, Better app store, Better Display, More polished features, Hardware and software made for each other,
So I could go on for both phones however I don't think its clear one is better while I do feel PA was very fair to the bionic and did give it a good review.
87. Thump3rDX17 posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:52 1 0
most but not all of your comparisons are valid.
iPod integration into a phone is irrelevant as both phones are adequate mp3 players, the Android Market and the App Store have trade offs in selection and usability. i actually recommend to Phone Arena right now to do an in-depth comparison of the stores in light of the new iPhone announcement. when ICS comes to the Droid Bionic it may even the ground with that last iPhone pro.
57. DeviantDroid posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:18 0 0
I agree that apple should have held off of a Verizon IPhone until summer and maybe then focus could have been cohesive enough to push out a new version for Verizon, Sprint, and AT&T in July or August that way there wouldn't be such a huge gap between the announcement of iOS5 and the new iPhone model...
63. denney (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:25 1 0
Good article, but I wish you would have commented on WP7 as a competitive candidate. Android has always had sketchy integration of applications to stock software. Apple has managed to scratch the surface. WP7's main focus from the get-go was integration, and they do it flawlessly, and further perfected it with mango. So far as the hardware is concerned, WP7 has surpassed both iOS and Android in optimization. My HTC HD7 has comparable browsing speeds to my mothers HTC Sensation 4G when she is running on 3G, which is practically all the time because of T-mobiles spotty HSPA+ coverage. Yeah. A WP7 fanboy. One had to show up here eventually.
146. MichaelHeller posted on 05 Oct 2011, 10:41 0 0
As much as I like WP7 as a platform, I can't really name it as a competitive candidate until it is actually more competitive in the market. WP7 is still finding its footing. I think it will make modest gains over the next couple years, but I don't really expect it to be a true contender until Windows 8.
158. remixfa posted on 05 Oct 2011, 10:58 0 0
i think with this major slip up with the i4s, WP7 has a huuuuge opportunity to gain some market share if it goes after apple heavily when the mango phones come out. It hasnt had a better opportunity to steal business than this. If I were in the WP7 marketing team i would be thinking up 1000 funny ways to show WP7's strengths against i4s's weaknesses and going for blood.
nice to see ya try to bring some level headedness back into the conversation.. lol. we all went off the deep end yesterday.. lol. Im just happy to see that miz, taco, and gallito didnt commit iSuicide.
160. MichaelHeller posted on 05 Oct 2011, 11:19 0 0
Yeah, that's why I'm not even bothering with the first 5 pages of comments. Still wishing PA would implement the collapsable comment threads...
207. snowgator posted on 05 Oct 2011, 14:24 0 0
Wish I could argue, but I feel you are completely right on WP. Starting to get that same feel from Microsoft concerning W8 even as Mango is rolling out successfully that I got from RIM concerning QNX (now BBX, I know) even as they give a token support to OS7. The- look how great these things coming out, BUT LOOK WHAT IS COMING NEXT!!!! There was a larger event to introduce Windows 8 than they have done combined to promote Windows 7.
But, I still think WP can get to a worldwide market share of 10% of smartphones with addition of Nokia, ZTE, and Fujitsu opening new markets and what seems like AT&T really getting on board here in the States. That will be a HUGE jump from less than 2% smartphone share WP7 claims right now, and maybe get to earn the respect of consumers and Michael Heller, both important goals......
65. Apple Conspiracy (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:26 2 0
Haven't you learn already that Apple's politics was allways based on taking away, not giving away? Restrictions and stinginess, and creating the cloud of mystique around everything - that's the Apple's ticket to success.
People don't like it, but they will be obsessed by it. It is the most profound manipulation ever, torture of masses based on unsatisfied cravings.
iPhone 4S is logical move for Apple - they needed 3 years just to change basic iPhone design, why would someone expect they will be as fast as others? They can afford it. While others release new models every minute, Apple is reluctant to make even the smallest change in design. It is all there for a reason - to keep people interested and hungry for all times. When you give them all of it, they will not be hungry anymore - but this way they are all slaves.
Apple has made a briliant move once again.
75. cumoneveybody (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:37 2 0
well its every company's goal to make money...
but apple has been getting shady lately, both to the customers and competition.
69. aaaawwwww (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:28 1 0
i just got home and was looking forward to hearing some good news about the Iphone 5. what a letdown. i wanna cry. i wanna die. i think i will........ switch to android that is. lookin @ the next nexus or the motorola HD or razr or whatever.
82. clevername posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:44 0 0
Michael I hate to be that guy but system wide dictation by siri is built in. A mix key will be next to the space bar.
148. MichaelHeller posted on 05 Oct 2011, 10:42 0 0
Yeah, caught that mistake and fixed it. Sorry about that.
85. ivanko34 posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:49 1 0
Now we understand why all the lawsuits : apple had nothing to show this year.
They have lost with Samsung their electronic supplier, so no amoled screen.
88. ravi5695 posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:53 1 1
Apple is on its way to FAAALL...
IPHONE4S is just a piece of CRAP...
92. Apple Conspiracy (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 01:59 1 0
Actually, it's a brand new iPhone. With so much powerfull hardware (that everyone expected in iPhone 5 BTW), combined with iOS 5 technologies, iPhone 4S is under the hood a full-new generation of smartphone!
But... it looks the same, and that's why everyone is disappointed. That only proves that no one is actually caring about hardware and software, but the looks, because we want to be seen with new iPhone, we want others to know that we bought it when we walk on the street!
94. cumoneveybody (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 02:03 2 0
dude apple doesnt even recognize it as a "full-new generation of smartphone!". its the 4S and its a marginal update. it is about 6 months late technology wise though.
97. Apple Conspiracy (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 02:13 1 0
OK, you're right, It's only a new generation of iPhone, not smartphone. But exterior design aside, this is really a new iPhone. Almost everything crucial is upgraded inside, it's what we were expecting in "real" iPhone 5. The only crucial thing that was not upgraded is the screen size, but I think Apple is convinced that 3,5" is the ideal size or a phone, but people got spoiled by 4+ inchers in the last year...
133. AKm007 posted on 05 Oct 2011, 09:59 0 0
Spoiled by 4+ inchers? You mean people realised that 4 inches are more useful than 3.
147. roldefol posted on 05 Oct 2011, 10:41 0 0
I think Apple missed the memo on that one. Two years ago they would argue that nobody wants/needs a 4"+ screen, but sales of EVOs and Droid Xs proved them wrong. Now they're way behind the smartphone trend.
99. Milen (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 02:19 0 0
I think the biggest problem was that by now people expect Apple to move the mobile industry forward, not just to keep up. The 4S looks great, but it is by no means a revolution. Moreover, Apple positions its devices as simple and easy to use for "ordinary" people, not just tech maniacs. That means iPhone appeals to a lot of people who don't care about specs and just want the latest and greatest from Apple, because it's cool and has a certain "feel good" factor. Same design means most of those people lose their main reason for upgrade as they can just as well stick to their trusted iPhone 4.
As some said above, 2009 was different. Android competition, the success of iPad and MacBook Air and the huge financial resource Apple has built, all brought a whole new level of expectations from the company. Expectations which were not met. It's so hard to believe Apple can make a wrong move in the position it's now in, that I really start suspecting they are doing it on purpose. Giving the world the wrong impression they are losing momentum and lowering the expectations, so that they can blow everything up with the next all-new iPhone.
It's either that or Apple has made its first real mistake since 1997.
102. Apple Conspiracy (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 02:43 0 0
100. Shadowalker (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 02:22 0 2
hahahahahahha!!! why compare Android with iphone? the single core Nokia Windows phone gonna beat the lastest dual core Apple...comeon iguys....laugh!!!! hahahahahahaa
101. Cyd07 posted on 05 Oct 2011, 02:35 0 0
Very good article. Thanks phonearena. I know the site since a few days, but i've even seen a few articles like these : take a wider look than just releasing news (that we find here, but elsewhere too), and analyse things. I especially think to the two parts of "Mobile competition".
I don't know if fanboys can understand and enjoy this kind of article, but I do. Really.
104. Eingild posted on 05 Oct 2011, 03:50 0 0
The thing is maybe Apple already had the iPhone 5. They just decided not to release it together with the 4S because people will definitely be more interested with the iPhone 5. Thus, hurting 4S's sale. Good marketing strategy by Apple. Although they could have released the iPhone 4S as early as June. Maybe less people will be disappointed.
105. SGS2 (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 04:18 1 0
For sure droid prime can beat iphone 4s with one eye close because my samsung galaxy s 2 already beat iphone 4s single handed. very funny now apple is behind samsung
106. SGS2 (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 04:22 0 0
Are u dreaming einglid? You wont see iphone5 soon..sory mate
107. Abde-morocc (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 05:41 2 0
I'm very disappointed about Apple, i mean how can a company like apple produce just one phone in a year that's ridiculous, and we were expecting something new, but apple is failed to bring new design, but they are the best about Operation system, look aat samsung and HTC they produce a lot of smart phones so you choose between them and if you are not satisfied about one you can wait just 2 or 3 months and get another one, but a year and 4 month they are still in the same design, damn
109. master0fursinz posted on 05 Oct 2011, 08:08 1 0
yay they finaly made a 64gb flavor iphone 4, way to go apple modest updates still no 4g and yet you still have your loayal followers that go "its ok steve will rise from the ashes to bring out iphone 5 and 6", i was so hoping for a bigger screen and 4g but alas i got burned, hey my next phone will be quad core 3.2Ghz, 4.5" screen led 1080 x 720 pixels, 5g, bt 5.0, wifi b/g/n/x/y/z, 4GB DDR ram. with a 20 MP cam records at 2160P 60fps. but this just a modest bump up from my Bionic
110. Jeroen (unregistered) posted on 05 Oct 2011, 08:16 1 1
Wow this is the most ridiculous article I've ever read on this site. The iphone 4s is supposed to be competetive for a year, yet it's hardware will probaly be outdated by february 2012. The LG optimus 2x was one of the first dual core smartphones it too has an 8 megapixel camera. Apple released a few wich compareable to a phone wich has been out for months. I do agree with them that stock android sucks, it's the OEM's and 3rd party launchers who add a lot of functionality. They make better camera apps, have better integration with social networking and they added something Google should have done quick settings in the notification bar. But that doesn't mean the 4S isn't a dissapointment, like I said it's compareable with current phones while it should be better. The iphone 4 was a great phone at it's time with is high resolution screen and overall good camera. Maybe we should go back to calling this site iphonearena.