Apple's disappointments and successes with the iPhone 4S announcement
0. phoneArena 05 Oct 2011, 08:56 posted on
Apple's event shows it has fallen into the Mac routine, where it may not be able to lead on all features or hardware, but will on focus on its core competencies, as well as unity, experience, and customer loyalty...
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205. Dr.Phil (Posts: 1095; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
You maybe right since the resignation of Steve Jobs as CEO, the innovation has not been there. Pretty soon we are going to say: "The king is dead, long live the king." I will leave it to you all to guess the new king.
2. great article (unregistered)
really good article Michael H. Really good read, thank you for the spending the effort in evaluating the launch..
My personal opinion is that this launch was just too bad compared to the previous launches.. It was delayed, uninteresting, and lacked that magical spark that everyone knows Steve Jobs was capable of pulling.
And it's not that the device is not good at all.. The iPhone 4S would definitely still make a hell out of a phone comparable to many top-end smartphones (I'm an android user, but I have no qualms giving credit where it's due) Only problem is really the hype around it made the result seemed utterly disappointing.. This phone is just another evolution, not a revolution...
oh wells, looking forward to android's event!
31. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
+n on the great article. Michael nailed it.
4. biophone (Posts: 1909; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Really unbaised article which took an objective look at the lanch. I agree with every word.
5. twenti7 (Posts: 152; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)
There's no problem with the only improements being the processor and camera. The problem is that besides the os, those are the only changes. In orer to stay relevant in the mobile industry Apple has to take risks again. HTC did that by putting a 4.3" screen on the EVO, and now not only is that the standard screen size for high-end phones, but that number is starting to grow. As far as recycling last-year's design, that was a big mistake. Not only is it a letdown for consumers who were waiting for something new, but it also shows that Apple is willing to take the lazy way out it's a new product, but only some of it is new; we put in some new features, but left all the same-old visials; we spent all our time suing other manufacturers and didn't have enough left over to make a comletely new product.
In a market where you need to adapt to survive, Apple has shown that it has forgoten how to adapt. Apple has a ton of work to do over the next year to avoid going the way of Nokia and RIM.
16. iankellogg (Posts: 155; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
I will never buy an iPhone but I don't see why everyone is so upset over the 4S. It is 100% the same thing they did with the 3GS and I don't remember the outcry then. As for them spending their time suing others, lawyers do that, not engineers. Apple may have fell short on the features for iOS 5 I don't think they failed at the hardware level. the A5 in there is probably 800mhz and it still will preform nearly as well as the 1.2ghz exynos, as for GPU it has the best one on the market for the next few months.
24. twenti7 (Posts: 152; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)
It was percectly fine for Apple to do it then. 2 years ago the iPhone essentially stood alone atop all other smartphones. But this is 2011, not 2009. The mobile market has changed tremendously in the past 2 years, and Apple has already lost a ton of market share.
I completley agree about the (internal) hardware not being a fail. The A5 is a fantastic processor, and iOS is light enough that even a lesser processor could still run it quickly. Performance wise it will difinitely give the GSII and Bionic a run for their money.
34. biophone (Posts: 1909; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Its not about market share for apple its about profit.
6. ninjastar (unregistered)
but... Siri is available in the txt app? I saw the whole event.
7. gdubb03 (unregistered)
First off, great review of the event. Probably the best read ever for pa.com, keep up the good work Michael H.
twenti7- they did the same thing 2 yrs ago with the 3gs, the main reason here is that when they do drop that new big thing they are going to need millions of them to be ready to sell all over the globe. Many more than the 4gs's that they are going to sell in a week. The i5 will out sell all of its predecessors in the first few days. Thus a much higher demand. At the end of the day count on apple to have an ace up their sleeve for next yr. Greatness takes time and every 2yrs they bring it.
p.s. I hate apple!
Long live the Droids!
18. twenti7 (Posts: 152; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)
Yes, but 2 years ago the mobile landscape wasn't where it is now. The iPhone was arguably still the only phone of its kind (Android was only in its infant stages then). But in those 2 short years little baby Android has grown up and taken the majority market share with him. Not to mention other smaller os's such as Windows Phone and Bada which are likely to grow as well. Yes, as a sinle device this iPhone is gonna sell like crazy, but I don't see Apple seriously regaining market share anytime soon.
8. hello (Posts: 25; Member since: 21 Jan 2011)
none of this would happen if they had just come out with an iPhone 5
9. Haditbe (unregistered)
Had it been called the iPhone 5 with minor cosmetic changes to the look of the phone will make it a better announcement.
10. bossmt_2 (Posts: 448; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)
iPhone 4s is gonna be a solid phone, I think it's largely considered a disappointment mainly cause you're not seeing a giant leap forward. I'd liken it to the disappointment in the droid x2, Similar thing to iPhone where it wasn't a major upgrade, it was more of an update. I think the iPhone is a quality device, I just think that it's not gonna be enough of an upgrade for them to sell like the 4 did. But then again I am a rational consumer, not your average consumer. Where I think the fail will be is the pricing. I haven't heard it officially yet, but the retail on the 8 gig 4S is the same as the 16 gig 4. Which would lead me to believe their contract price will be the same.
15. biophone (Posts: 1909; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Well a 16 gig 4s is the same as a 16 gig 4. And 8 gig 4 is half the price of a 16 gig 4s. I think the cheaper 4 and 3gs will sell well because of their competitive price. As for the 4s it will sell ok i think but people like me will wait for the 5.
11. droidboy (unregistered)
i wonder will iphone 5 rumored for next year, will be a better model, better build & look compared to 4s that looks identical to 3gs & 4...i hate to say but apple & rim pretty much does the same with their models of phone, both phones, pretty much look the same, at least android have various models of devices available...
12. nilez (unregistered)
who need to buy the same iphone design with A5 processor for just gaming ??? these customers sure can buy iPad 2 !! what i mean is since i got my ipad 2 i stopped using my iphone 4 in gaming news reading browsing .. i just use iphone 4 in call or when my ipad is not with me ... so apple should gave us something new some thing like ipad 2 so ppl find its fair enough to buy it
19. biophone (Posts: 1909; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Well not everyone has an iPad and the iPhone is more portable so the increased gaming is a very ability of the new iPhone.
21. biophone (Posts: 1909; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Well not everyone has an iPad and the iPhone is more portable so the increased gaming ability is a very nice feature of the new iPhone.
121. turdfergussen (unregistered)
You can say that again.
13. cornerofthemoon (Posts: 590; Member since: 20 Apr 2010)
iTurd. Apple should have know that in this major Android phone release du jour environment, an incremental upgrade just doesn't cut it anymore. No wonder they're trying to sue everybody and their brother if this is the best that they've got.
14. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Good article. It's hard to swallow a lot of positive things about Apple in a single read, but I managed it because it's all true. Apple does do a good job with its hardware and software, and the user experience should be solid for the duration of the iPhone 4S's shelf life. In the interest of maintaining my integrity I must grant this article the Sniggly Seal of Approval. You rock, Michael. :)
17. biophone (Posts: 1909; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
This is why I think you are one of the most fair posters on PA. For the most part I agree with your assessment of the 4s on the other articles as well.
73. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
I appreciate the feedback, biophone. You're awesome as well. :)
20. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Michael I do remember that they showed off you can text with Siri.
So there's two things. Fandroids would have bashed the phone regardless of what Apple came with. For reasonable people I think the dissappointment is in the delay of the phone. If Apple had come out with this phone in June no one would complain. I believe a lot of people including me expected something big because of the longer than normal delay. This phone is still top of the line specwise other than maybe LTE, but even then you have a faster option available on AT&T. Screen size is really a personal preference. Not everyone wants a monster 4.5 inch screen. Of course fandroids think everyone should want what they want and are always desperate for any android advantage.
iOS 5 is a big leap forward despite what fandroids claim. Between the udpates in June, iCloud and Siri assistant Apple now has a mature OS that can really accomplish almost anything you'd want. I think this phone will be a huge hit despite the initial dissapointment of the techies of the world.
22. biophone (Posts: 1909; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Good points taco. I agree the delay was a disappointment considering they didn't do anything big but its still competitive spec wise for now. In a few months it won't be but for the time being its a very capable phone. I will reserve full judgement on the phone till i see what ice cream sandwich has to offer and will wait to see what its real world power is like.
25. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
fandroids talk about quadcores, but that won't be until next year. It's not realistic to expect a quadcore from Apple this year. iPhone will have a camera that's top of the line, a super smooth OS and still has better resolution than smartphones on th market now. This phone will be competitive until next years model.
26. biophone (Posts: 1909; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Well compared to the nexus prime which will have a super amoled screen and will be 720p along with a retina display with a superior exynos processor and lte connectivity along with the newest iteration of android ICS it is clearly superior spec wise. Design wise I think the iPhone has the edge along with ease of use and maybe even the camera because of the extra lens and image stabilization features. However as a whole I don't think it will compete well in the end of its self life.
127. AKm007 (Posts: 108; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)
The iphone might have an amazing design. But regurgitating the same old design is a big mistake. For the average consumer, the fact that it looks the same as the iphone 4 will be the biggest issue. The picture of the nexus prime in the samsung video has made quite an impression on quite a few people. It looks like it could be a beautiful phone. The fact that it's tailored to run ice-cream sandwich will also mean no lag. Also, ice-cream sandwich is supposed to run on less powerful processors too. This means that we can expect on hell of a product on the 11th.
67. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
you realize next year is like a few months from now and Apple JUST announced a new iPhone. do you really think Apple can counter in time with something using an A6 other than maybe an iPad 3?
68. Thump3rDX17 (Posts: 2160; Member since: 10 May 2010)
maybe you missed the articles of HD screens coming on a few Android devices by year's end.
96. s (unregistered)
best resolution cus of that tiny screen they have
126. roldefol (Posts: 4097; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
No, best resolution because they sprang for the highest resolution screen LG could provide them. Even comparably sized Android phones like the Droid 2 didn't have the same resolution. It's only now with the upcoming HTC Vigor and Samsung Prime that Android will finally trump Apple's display.
23. Anti-Fanboy (Posts: 38; Member since: 28 Sep 2011)
see taco, when you are calm, clear, and have solid facts, you dont sound like an idiot (i mean that in the nicest way possible). i acctually agree with a few of your points
29. twenti7 (Posts: 152; Member since: 09 Jul 2011)
Very good points, taco. This phone is gonna be a fantastic phone irregardless of whether or not they used last years body. While I don't personally like it (it looks great, but the sharp edges make it painful for me to hold; I have the same issue with the LG Revolution and most Motorola phones), many people do and that's what this whole "choice" thing is all about. However, I personally think that Apple made a mistake by keeping the body of this phone completely identical to the last.
32. biophone (Posts: 1909; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Its a lot to do a redesign of the body better then the iPhone 4. Apple has a lot on its plate considering they are most likely working on the iPad 3 the entire mac line with the airs along with the new iPod lines. They also had to ready the iPhone for two new carriers. If you look at the trends they seem to keep a body for two years so expect the iPhone 5 to have a new body pack an a6 under the hood with super fast lte speeds.
36. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Every time someone says "irregardless" God punches a puppy in the testicles.
35. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Honestly, we'll never really know whether this phone itself will be a huge hit. Apple doesn't separate sales reports by model and have in fact taken to lumping all iOS devices together (like they did today) to boost public perception of their sales. They will simultaneously be dropping the price of the 3GS to free and giving out 100 buck iPhone 4's (taking a page out of Android's playbook).
Oh, and one more thing (Columbo reference, not Jobs reference): How many Android users were saying they were switching to the next iPhone? I'm pretty sure last time you addressed it you insisted the percentage was 52. Am I correct?
37. biophone (Posts: 1909; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Clearly this iPhone is not that big of a leap so there will definitely be some android users switching because its now available on sprint however i won't be near 52.
42. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Lol. I keep bringing this up to Taco because he insisted that an immobility survey said that 52 percent of Android users will switch to the next iPhone. I tracked down the original survey press release on InMobi's site, which BGR had posted as well (but had misquoted, an error Phonearena repeated and never fixed) and posted the link to demonstrate that the 52 percent applied to Blackberry owners instead, and only if the phone being announced was an iPhone 5 (major redesign/upgrade). The Android number was 27/28 percent under the same conditions, and the Android and iPhone user percentages who would go to a 4S were 11 apiece. Since then Taco has only responded sparingly to my posts and always gone silent/ignored me when I've pointed out his mistake.
I'm pursuing this because recently Taco has gotten very arrogant toward other users and has declared himself an almighty god of a poster who is never ever wrong. That hasn't sat well with me, so I aim to make him understand what a fool he's made of himself by not fact checking and insisting with his wrongness while pissing on those who have corrected him, as well as attacking people like me for raising questions about Apple's sales based on Apple's own quarterly reports as taken from their press releases.
In conclusion: Taco's ego needs clipping, and I'm making sure it gets done.
233. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
ok Sniggly the reason taco used 52 % it was because it was in an article.. he didnt do the questionare... yo on the other hand have proven that YOUR math have been invented with no source what so ever... i am on team taco on this one.... he doesnt cook up numbers...
46. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Your "math equations" are ridiculous and everyone knows it. You're not even on my level sniggly.
48. biophone (Posts: 1909; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
way to prove snigglys point. You give people who like the iPhone a bad name. Well your not as bad as the mix though i will give you that.
60. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Agreeing with sniggly makes you look really bad. You may want to edit this post. That guy is really brain damaged
70. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
You just don't know when to quit, do you Taco? You know, take a lesson from my new profile pic. The Iron Giant was designed as a super death machine, but through awesome circumstances ended up pretty harmless and intact heroic. He only became a super death machine again when the idiot government agent, paranoid, arrogant, power hungry and obsessed with the Giant's destruction, persuaded the military to attack him. If you would stop insisting on these foolish attacks on me and everyone who agrees with/likes me, I'd pretty much leave you alone. In fact, when you seemed to try to be nice for a day, I DEFENDED YOU and tried to encourage you to continue being nice to people.
At this stage of the game, however, you've slapped back at all of the goodwill we've tried to muster for you and instead kept going on and on about how much fandroids suck and how Android deserves to get beaten down and how you're always right and everyone who disagrees with you is a poor, ignorant hick...
It's gotten old. Really. Enough is enough. I don't even know if I'm as old as you, but it's time for you to grow the f**k up.
72. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
What??? You need to get out the house more. Not sure what this nerd scifi diarrhea is about.
76. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
It's called an analogy, Taco. Something sci fi is very good at. If you didn't insist on being a meathead you might know this.
What was that percentage again?
59. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
They may not be right sometimes, a fact I readily admit. You, however, have yet to admit that you screwed up and that I called you on it.
And like Biophone said, you proved my point beautifully.
234. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
you always claim to be neutral.. you have never admitted... that you hate Apple sooo much but never admitt that your hate blinds you... but according to PA you are neautral.. so please admitt that you hate for Apple blinds you of the truth.. sometimes.
49. biophone (Posts: 1909; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Yeah well its taco what do you expect. Anyway i usually don't believe surveys anyway. Never that accurate.
62. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Oh sure. I'm pretty sure the survey won't reflect the reality of sales myself. I'm latching onto Taco over this mistake because he was quoting the incorrect percentage as gospel truth and using it to say that the next iPhone was going to totally destroy Android.
It's all very petty, but I'm not inclined to suffer fools lightly, especially when they put on airs of supreme intelligence.
129. roldefol (Posts: 4097; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
That survey report really ticked me off, because its was such a huge glaring error that could be abused as "facts" by people like Taco. It stank of deliberate manipulation for the express purpose of making an anti-Android headline. You don't need a "math equation" to prove 11% is a fat lot smaller than 52%.
50. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)
Almost a respectable post (for once)..
But seeing you repeatedly calling out fandroids bashing *pple always amuses me, mostly because you're completely unaware of how much of a hypocrite you are. There are fans of android who respect the products and marketing *pple puts forth.. how can you not? But the flaming comments you make against android are the very things that illicit those responses. Unfortunately, I know there's no stopping your lusting after anything *pple, so I digress...
iOS 5 is a big leap forward FOR i*hone DEVICES ONLY. Android has been enjoying them for quite some time, and there's no denying it. Yes, the 4S will be a big seller, but *pple has to realize things are moving too fast in the smartphone landscape to only release a NEW new device every two years. Today's announcement was a big swing and miss, especially considering ICS and Nexus are just around the corner, and windows devices are gaining momentum. As some have stated, *pple has lost its momentum.
56. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
IOS 5 is a much better OS than android. The prime will be announced and forgotten in a month.
81. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
What was that percentage again Taco?
I think this is a question everyone should start asking you. Was it 52? 52 percent of Android users wanting to switch to the next iPhone? You seemed so sure, and you're never wrong, so 52 must be the percentage, right?
235. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
true the SGSII is already forgotten. only Rory is still in love with that device... everyone else is looking forward to the Prime....
51. Stuntman (Posts: 834; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
iOS 5 is a step forward for iOS users, but that has already been announced in June. As well as iCloud.
What I found intriguing about this announcement was Siri. Although I understand that such functionality is not exactly new, it is the first I have seen of such technology. The video does make it look very smooth, but I want to see a live demonstration rather than a nicely edited video to see how well it really works.
I was expecting a larger screen. Nothing gigantic like the 4.5", but something closer to 4" at least. It probably isn't going to happen since Apple marketed the "retina display" for the iPhone 4. If they make the screen bigger without increasing the resolution, it would reduce the pixel density and affect how they can market the "retina display".
Android fans chose an Android phone for certain particular reasons. It would be a mistake for Apple to try to chase after that market segment. Although there is some overlap in features, (I think screen size is one of them) the iPhone is targeted at a different market segment.
Although the iPhone 4S does not appeal to me for various reasons, it is good for people who don't like the phone that I have. The markets seem to also be underwhelmed by today's announcement. The true test will be in a couple of weeks when it is released to consumers. They will ultimately decide via their pocket books whether or not in fact the iPhone 4S is underwhelming.