Apple's 'apology' to Samsung leaves U.K. judge "at loss"
0. phoneArena 01 Nov 2012, 09:36 posted on
“I’m at a loss that a company such as Apple would do this. That is a plain breach of the order”…
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11. PotDragon (banned) (Posts: 214; Member since: 22 Jul 2011)
Pretty clear that the judge was holding the order incorrectly!
15. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
More like reading it incorrectly. There has always been differences in English as practiced in the U.S. and elsewhere.
Now, there is Apple-English in addition to U.S. English.
14. MeoCao (unregistered)
Apple asks for 14 days to compose the apology, I think they need more than that to find a way to cheat the judges without being caught.
But I don't think they can escape without getting wet.
Be honest Apple, this is in your interests, what can be more simpler than this:
"SS, you do not copy us and we are very sory for our false accusation. We promise never do that again - Tim Cook Apple CEO signed"
68. cheetah2k (Posts: 1524; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)
In the words of Judge Dredd - "The Law? I am the Law!"
Sounds like Apple are taking that approach. They should seriously watch themselves...
82. someones4 (Posts: 624; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
Apple frequently attempted to twist logic into their own fantasy. Clearly, not everyone buys in to that sort of bs.
17. jmoita2 (Posts: 930; Member since: 23 Dec 2011)
If Apple had shame, it would indeed be shameful. Pathetic, they took a legal decision against them and shaped it into a sales pitch??? WTF???
3. quakan (Posts: 1361; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
Next time Judge, be careful what you say in front of Apple lawyers.
10. No_Nonsense (Posts: 826; Member since: 17 Aug 2012)
Yeah, because upholders of the law should be scared of Apple who can't seem to follow a a simple order.
65. quakan (Posts: 1361; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
I was referring to the fact Apple used a direct quote from the judge and used it in their "apology" towards Samsung. I bet the judge is more upset that what he said was used in a public apology that made him look like an Apple fan.
70. jroc74 (Posts: 5996; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I agree with this. Also, the judge shoulda worded what the the apology shoulda said or the context of it, if he could. I know he didnt expect Apple to still put Samsung down in the apology.
84. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
how bout u STOP PROTECTING a company WHO OVER CHARGE their consumers with over price accessories and BANNING the COMPETITION plus u DON'T even get a cent for not even working for Apple
4. xfire99 (Posts: 798; Member since: 14 Mar 2012)
hehe...Apple like a kid and who are they trying to fool. 2 weeks for a excuse statement on a webpage? Make them pay Samsung 10 million US dollar each hour they delayed it and see if it really takes 2 weeks to do it.
7. quakan (Posts: 1361; Member since: 02 Mar 2011)
Samsung would probably say forget everything if they could get their 1 billion dollars (and some change) back.
19. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
they still have yet to appeal, and with the current development of things they might actually win the case
93. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Yeah I though the appeal was looking bad but man seems there will be a case for some time.... hope Samsung gets better lawyers this time
6. Savage (unregistered)
This had to happen. Their apology was directed to poke fun at Samsung rather than say sorry and make amends. Glad that the world won't stand up to their BS, how much ever money they own.
55. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 11917; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Shows how biased and ignorant the judge is.
56. Zero0 (Posts: 592; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Or maybe how biased and ignorant you are?
Did you read the "apology" that Apple wrote? The judge asked for a statement that explained that Samsung did NOT copy Apple. What did Apple write? A statement that says that Samsung did copy Apple, but the UK court doesn't think so.
76. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
This is UK, not you'r States where money and bribery works, UK is justice. Patent thieves rotten Apple, greedy Exerox from others and claim its theres and they are inventing, innovating! My foot. if any one calls me those nasty degrading lowlife names, what Others call Apple users, i would kick off; and never see my self using Apple products.
85. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
SHOWS HOW BIASED JUDGE KOH and rest of u iFans are
9. bart7773 (Posts: 7; Member since: 04 Oct 2009)
Yet unfortunate... They could have taken the opportunity to fulfill in a mature and professional manner. Instead, I feel like it's my son saying "well you didn't say I couldn't"
12. MartyK (Posts: 786; Member since: 11 Apr 2012)
Finally the world (some of the world) starting to see this company for what it's truly is, Arrogant-Narcissistic A-hole.
This appeal court need to be just as immature, and over turn 98% of the ruling they gave Apple.
13. clevername (Posts: 1436; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)
Not sure what the court is referring to when they refer to incorrect statements. The judge did make those comments. The links are correct, the other rulings did happen. And the statement did state that Samsung did copy. I'm sure I'll get thumbed down to hell for this, but apple told the truth, even used the judges words to do so. Clever, yes. The best way to handle it? No.
16. Savage (unregistered)
The statements included in their apology which are other than the UK court decisions. I mean, yes they are true but it was scripted in such a manner that it made Apple look good, whereas put Sammy's name in the mud (The Germany verdict which was mentioned in the last paragraph)
I mean, this was supposed to be an apology. Does it look like one? Nope.
18. Jobes (Posts: 364; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
And what the judge asked was an apology.. not what Apple posted lol. Trying to justify that makes you look like a tool.
22. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
-Judge Koh Decided the judges should not listen to anything outside of the presented information, and that included other country cases
-what happened in US is not something that matters in UK when it comes to this legal WOES so apple is telling people information that's out of jurisdiction
-If you rob a bank in NY and did not robbed one in London should London put you in jail?
-the statement is supposed to be an apology not a appleinsider article, you don't say to "I'm sorry for hitting your dog with my car, but is your fault for not respecting the fence height "
-yeah apple won, so what? its on appeal court, right now the chances of Samsung winning has drastically increased, plus they have more time
23. AFnerdTP (unregistered)
what Apple did was as clever as your name and DEFINITELY not a smart way to handle a COURT's decision.
32. tedkord (Posts: 10638; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
The order was to post that Samsung did not copy. Instead, Apple wrote that the UK courts rolled they didn't, then spent the next 70% of the essay stating that Samsung did copy. Since it was ruled that Samsung did not copy, statements that they did are untrue.
35. drazyw (unregistered)
Apple did not site their source for their comments and should have gave the Judge credit. :) The Judge should sue Apple for plagerism. lol
71. jroc74 (Posts: 5996; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
If you consider that an apology, I hope to never meet you.....cuz if you tried to pass off something like that to me as an apology.....it would not be pretty...
20. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
Now that's what Thermo-Nuclear strategy gets Apple in return ... nothing can be more disgraceful for most valuable company if they have any shame left that is ... ?
21. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
yes I love it.. Apple marketing is the best in the world
24. protozeloz (Posts: 5396; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
yep doing the best they are at....... playing with words to make things sound favorable
26. rusticguy (Posts: 2828; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)
This time they goofed up badly though ... but shameless as they seem to be they wouldn't mind if this can keep their flock together ... :)
28. HouTexan (Posts: 435; Member since: 08 Jan 2012)
It's like you're forcing the pro-apple trolling. Doesn't even seem genuine.
37. willard12 (Posts: 1555; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
Saying that "Apple's marketing is the best in the world" is acknowledging that you are falling for the scam of them selling you a cheap product with few features for a premium price based on advertising. Ignorance is bliss.
46. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
every one falls for marketing think about it.. some are that good that you dont even know it...
52. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3907; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
Yes but the difference here is this was a legal ruling from a court. That's like a stalker violating a ruling to stay so far away from a woman, and then saying he only did it to say he was sorry for stalkings her.
Personally I think the judge was being lenient by not fining them for noncompliance.
74. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
G-King, you have fallen head over heals for APPLE's marketing - congrats, for not having a mind.
77. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
Only best for the dum unsmart uneducated civilians...
30. Sniggly (Posts: 7305; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Now we just have to wait and see what the consequences for Apple's dumbassery are. I hope that besides having to rewrite the apology they get slapped with something else.
44. -box- (Posts: 3991; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
A 3-month sales ban would be cool. Almost impossible, but cool. "Oh, you want an ipod for Christmas? Have to go to france!"
34. lyndon420 (Posts: 3969; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
The judge should spell out what the apology should say. If they don't do it word for word they should be fined a couple billion dollars for making the judicial system look like a joke.
36. roldefol (Posts: 4106; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
"Apple Inc. is legally obligated to post the following prefabricated apology, which it does not agree with:"
It's like politics...the non-apology apology. "We apologize to anyone who may have been offended by what we said, but are not at all sorry about."
39. hamboza (Posts: 25; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
Business is business...i applaud them for doing such a thing. I am amused by how these companies poke at each other like Samsung's cheap ads that target iPhone holders and now apple's cheap move...
42. networkdood (Posts: 6330; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
very different - Samsung's ads has some truth in them and shows the abilities of their products over what APPLE cannot do. Apple was ordered by a court Judge to apologize and is basically doing so like a little spoiled brat.
58. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
another judge also stated that Samsung did copy.. and what did Samsung do... Appeal. and stated will sue Apple for LTE.. thats being a spolied brat as well
66. Whateverman (Posts: 3251; Member since: 17 May 2009)
No, that's fighting fire with fire. If you were to get attacked, you probably want to get a few good jabs in yourself, right? That's what Samsung is doing with LTE.