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Apple won its Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 European ban based on a design sketch filed in 2004

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Apple won its Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 European ban based on a design sketch filed in 2004
Turns out we shouldn't have been so cruel to the US patent system that allows big business to trademark every button and icon it produces as if they are a sight unseen, and then sue the pants off other companies.

Apple won an injunction and selling ban against the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 in a German court not based on a patent it holds in Europe, but on something called Community Design. The system has been created in the European Union in 2002, and basically allows for anyone to pay and patent not just photos of actual stuff, but also vague design sketches of products, software or packaging. 

Once declared valid, these Community Designs are used in a legal system which allows it, like the German one, to win injunctions against the competition, and the court is obliged to grant the motion if the paperwork is correct, without even notifying the defendant, and its decision is valid throughout the EU. In this case, however, Samsung had known about the upcoming filing, despite that it acted surprised, and has even filed a protective pleading July 29, before Apple brought the case to court, but it hasn't been considered stronger than Cupertino's claims.

The real kicker is that Apple has followed in Microsoft's footsteps, and has filed a number of those vague sketched of iPods, Macs, iPhones, tablets and so on, with various shapes, forms and button placements, with the Community Design body, and it can now use them to obtain injunctions. The court doesn't even have to understand what is going on, they just see a shape resembling the Galaxy Tab 10.1, and grant the injunction, as long as the Community Design has been given to Apple and paid for. No review, no prior art resemblance like with the USPTO.

Apple won its Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 European ban based on a design sketch filed in 2004
To add insult to injury, Apple's motion is based on Community Design 003781832 - not only does it look like a napkin sketch, but it has also been filed in 2004, six years before Apple's first tablet saw the light of day. Basically it seems that Apple has been sifting through its numerous Community Design drawings to find something that resembles most the rectangular shape and tapered edges of the Galaxy Tab 10.1, knowing that the court is obliged to grant the injunction against that.

Now Samsung will fight the claims August 25, plus some big retailers have said they don't plan to stop selling the Galaxy Tab 10.1 batches they have, and they also sell Apple gear, so they might get their way. Still, it is guilty until proven innocent, and despite that we know this is a regular way to do business for big companies, what happens if you are a small start-up and try to come up with something fairly novel, only to have a legal army banning your product based on hot air. Below are some examples of the sketches Apple has filed for the iPhone, for instance.

Apple won its Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 European ban based on a design sketch filed in 2004
Apple won its Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 European ban based on a design sketch filed in 2004
Apple won its Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 European ban based on a design sketch filed in 2004
Apple won its Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 European ban based on a design sketch filed in 2004
source: OSNews & FOSSPatents

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posted on 12 Aug 2011, 14:12 1

1. taz89 (Posts: 1946; Member since: 03 May 2011)


lol nothing surprising here then

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 02:41

113. daniel_bargs (Posts: 322; Member since: 27 Nov 2010)


hey it is so surprising... i thought i already know the world i live in. WTF. i think i should be pursuing fine arts or engineering or interior design now.... then i draw a circular chair, floating chair, soft and hard chairs, floating bridges, pure glass phones, parallelogram monitors and solar-powered phones! then i pass it to the authorities then after 10 years my works will be possible to build then they get my idea without my permission then im gonna file a damn lawsuit then POOF... im rich! haha

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 14:12 14

2. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


Wow, just....just wow! This is f*ckin ridiculous!

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 14:51

22. Jeradiah3 (Posts: 932; Member since: 11 Feb 2010)


lmbo..it is ridiculous

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 16:46

57. downphoenix (Posts: 2232; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


Indeed. How can Apple prove that this was a design for their tablet? It could have been a sketch for a macbook or something for all we know. This product ban should be completely thrown out. If its not, it proves the EU are Apple fanboys, and you'll see other similar looking Android tablets drop off like flies in the EU, Apple wont stop with the Tab 10.1, they'll go after Motorola, HTC, Acer, and all the other tablet makers if this is upheld, and the Eu will be hypocrites if they don't honor their overlords at Apple's requests.

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 19:16 4

79. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


U r being a bit naive here... This is obviously a fault with the European patent system... It really just shows apples intelligence as a company... This was a drawing from 6-7 years ago when apple was still a smaller company when compared to Samsung Motorola Microsoft and Nokia. Somehow they were aware of this patent thing and were smart enough to submit drawings of as much innovative and vague things as possible. No i do not agree with patenting ideas, which this is, but it is the way it is and must be accepted. It comes down to which company was smarter and in this case apple.

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 19:25 4

84. iHateCrapple (Posts: 734; Member since: 12 Feb 2010)


Smart or sneaky?

I'll say both.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 07:47

119. Konstantin (unregistered)


It's called shrewd.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 19:37

183. Marc (unregistered)


its called business go apple!er for being smart and sneaky. sly little bastards

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 14:17 8

3. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)


If this is how the phone manufacturers are gonna plan then the Mobile phone industry is screwed up.

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 14:23 4

7. Mobile-X-Pert (Posts: 565; Member since: 20 Dec 2010)


If this is how the phone manufacturers are gonna play then the Mobile phone industry is screwed up.

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 14:18 11

4. Airhorn (unregistered)


So, not only are the folks at Apple retarded, but so is everyone in the European Union.

I'm going to draw a stick figure of Steve Jobs ass-raping a globe on a napkin, hopefully I can get that "Community Design" protected.

GTFO.

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 15:45 3

36. kainy (Posts: 165; Member since: 10 Aug 2011)


You obviously don't know about the European Union ... there are reasons for these patents. They have that sketches, they legally patented them, so they have the rights ... so they can sue the crap out of anybody except Microsoft ... that's it.

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 16:17

47. kainyisdumb (unregistered)


why don't you shut the F up- you sound f retarded who the F ask you anyway?

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 17:33

70. ph00ny (Posts: 565; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I don't think you understand the concept of community design. IIRC, these aren't like the real patent requests where review process is performed to confirm the validity of the patent ownership. For whatever the reason, Germany only requires a valid legal document to grant an injunction without a review process

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 14:18 4

5. chocolatebear76 (Posts: 121; Member since: 03 Mar 2011)


The whole reasons behind the so call lawsuit on here is rediculous,i was expecting a better and meaningful reason,this just shows apple is scared of competition as it looks more like she is unable to innovate.
Apple should be ashame of her self.lol

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 19:22

81. Lucas777 (Posts: 2121; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)


That makes no sense at all... Apple actually has something called the ipad if u haven't heard of it which most people have accepted changed the tablet world. So funny how they actually made a great tablet before other companies but u say they aren't innovating...and it makes no sense that u wid say Apple is scared of competition when they obviously have the means as a business company to defeat others in business and legal battles...

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 03:54 3

115. LOL (unregistered)


Actually no, it DOES make sense.

Apple is suing people right and left instead of bettering their mobile OS and their tablet.

Will iOS 5 change the game? Not really. It's Gingerbread with an Apple skin just like Mac is Linux with an Apple skin. Apple just can't figure out how to innovate better and decides to sue to win marketshare in other countries.

That truly is pathetic.

posted on 15 Aug 2011, 19:51

192. MATT (unregistered)


Except of course Apple upgrade the iPad and the OS with no competition at all. By all accounts they are working on additional upgrades but their is still no meaningful competition in the market place. What innovation does the tab 10.1 (v2 or v1) bring to the marketplace?

How does copying help consumers?

posted on 16 Aug 2011, 08:46 1

193. Rasumusu (Posts: 2; Member since: 16 Aug 2011)


You´re totally right! Apple is starting to steel everything from android! and, they are gettin afraid of android, and all the cell (and pad) companies! soooo, they think to sue everyone will help... but there is one good thing about this! (?) I´ve heard alot of people say that they will change to android cause apple is getting evil! but I really hope Samsung wins the 25th cause I want to buy the Galaxy tab 10.1!!#

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 14:22 9

6. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Well, as if we needed another reason to think the EU is retarded. So Taco, maybe you're rethinking Apple's righteousness in this case?

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 14:39 5

15. rican (Posts: 132; Member since: 02 Jul 2011)


Damn thats just too damn vague, how is this even justified. and no Sniggly hes prolly jerking it to the fact

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 14:52 4

24. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i am dying to see Taco's responce. Taco, Miz, and Gemini are probably getting together to come up with some of their usual BS.

I thought the whole sketch thing was crap to begin with.. but now that we know more details its beyond crap. Thats the most petty and cheap move I think I've seen in quite a while.


Quick ,someone find a drawing of an apple they did in gradeschool and sue Apple's logo right off of them!! lol

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 15:02 1

27. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Yeah, lets get an apple drawing and sue apple for their logo : )

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 15:36 1

32. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I think Apple is totally in the right to attack the Samsung Galaxy Tab. It's an obvious copycat product.

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 15:50 1

40. rican (Posts: 132; Member since: 02 Jul 2011)


hows it copycat...PROOOOFFF NEEDED!!!!!

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 16:17 1

46. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Rican check this article for proof. The courts agree with Apple.

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 16:57 4

60. rican (Posts: 132; Member since: 02 Jul 2011)


its a f**king sketch

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 15:53 5

42. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


So let's go over every one of the iPad 2's design characteristics:

It's a slab.

It's thin.

It's light.

It comes in black or white.

It's dominated by a touchscreen.

So is Apple the only company in the world allowed to use touchscreens in tablet PCs? No. Are they the only ones in the world allowed to make their products in black or white? No. Are they the only ones in the world allowed to make their products thin and light?

No?

Then how the f**k is the Galaxy Tab a "copycat" based on physical design alone?

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 16:17 1

45. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


The Galaxy Tab looks Exactly like the iPad and comes in the same damn colors.

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 16:27 7

49. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


No it doesn't look exactly like the iPad.

It has a completely different aspect ratio than the iPad 2.

It's made from different materials than the iPad 2.

It doesn't have a home button on the bottom.

It has a thinner border around the screen.

And seriously, what colors do you expect Samsung to put their tablet out in? Pink and Lime Green?

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 17:00 2

62. rican (Posts: 132; Member since: 02 Jul 2011)


neon purple, u didnt know its the new black

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 17:37

71. paulyyd (Posts: 320; Member since: 08 Jan 2011)


lol shut up bro, you're wrong. deal with it (: have a good day

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 17:42 4

72. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Thank you for your totally useless and baseless contribution to this discussion.

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 19:02 1

77. Jeffro (unregistered)


Get over yourself Sniggly. You s**t all over taco for being an Apple fanboy yet you pretend to be johnny law on this website yet nobody likes you. Your just an Android fanboy doing the same s**t as taco. Your no better than him, so just get the hell over yourself. Your opinions are as useless as mine and everyone elses. Your not special, and your not as intelligent as you think you are. Good day sir.

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 19:23 1

83. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Lol u mad bro?

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 20:07

86. snaggly (banned) (Posts: 11; Member since: 09 Aug 2011)


You are wrong Sniggly and you do run around PA presenting yourself as this really intelligent person when you're in fact very biased. You can't even admit the Galaxy tab looks like an iPad. Why would they sell it in black and white which are Apple traditional colors. Why did they redesign their tablet after the iPad 2 came out to look MORE like an iPad?

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 21:57 4

90. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Oh yeah? I'm wrong, eh? Can't I be intelligent and biased?

That said:

On a very basic level, the Galaxy Tab and the iPad 2 look alike. However, if I were to pick any two tablets that are hard to tell apart at first glance, it'd be the Galaxy Tab and the Xoom. They share the same aspect ratio, they don't have a home button, and they're both matte black.

"traditional apple colors"

Phones have been selling in black and white and gray ever since ever. Apart from exotic colors, which generally have niche appeal, you don't see much variance there at all.

And there's nothing wrong with a company redesigning their product so it's competitive with the other products in its class. They didn't out and out copy the iPad; they made it similar in weight and thickness, because they recognized that putting out a brick wouldn't do them any good. And they ended up doing a better job than Apple anyway. The device still has its unique characteristics; I mean, hardware wise all Apple ever did to the tablet design was make that thinner and lighter too.

So here's my advice to you, snaggly: if you're going to troll by making fun of me, then troll by making fun of me. You make more positive contributions that way.

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 22:27 2

93. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


poor taco cant keep making fake accounts so someone agrees with him.. lol

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 23:09

97. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Btw, I'm not in the habit of accusing profiles, even obvious fakes like this one, of being other people who are on a site already, but is this you, Taco? Because if so, I get under your skin a lot more than I thought.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 11:40 2

139. taz89 (Posts: 1946; Member since: 03 May 2011)


lol sniggly admits he likes apple products but he does not like apple the company you fool...if you really think that this community design bull is all thats needed to sue then you and others along with the whole patent system needs to wake up...to people who say the tab looks EXACTLY like the ipad 2 lol the are not even the SAME SIZE...do you lot even know what EXACTLY even means.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 19:23

180. biscutbob (Posts: 82; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


Thats what im saying f**k the apple company.. they make a damn good music player and phone haha but yea f**k steve jobs.

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 22:27 4

92. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


if you can sit there with a live ipad and galaxy10.1 infront of you and somehow get confused, your a bigger iDiot than Taco. One looks like a supersized ipod with a nearly 4/3 aspect ratio... and does nothing different... and the other has widgets, animations, the ability to orientate in any direction, no big round button on it, a widescreen ratio, and a dozen other things..

yep.. totally confusing to the customer... im sure lots of customers will look at both and go "how can i get my ipod that big"... and none of them will mistake either tablet for the other.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 11:43

140. taz89 (Posts: 1946; Member since: 03 May 2011)


i guess apple agree there customers are dumb then if they think they will get confused with 2 products that are different shape and have different os lol the name apple and samsung sound so a like, why wouldnt people get confused.

posted on 12 Aug 2011, 19:01 3

76. box (unregistered)


Keep in mind that there were tablet/slate style devices years before apple even attempted to step into the mobile phone industry. If anything, apple should be banned and the only things that could be sold are 10-year old tablet PCs or the evolutions thereof by the original OEMs

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 00:32 3

100. SniggIy (banned) (Posts: 34; Member since: 13 Aug 2011)


I actually agree with you.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 00:52 2

102. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Another faker, eh? Clever, putting an "i" instead of an "L" there.

Too bad I've seen that trick before, and I always remember what I post.

But go ahead, have your fun.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 01:09 1

104. SniggIy (banned) (Posts: 34; Member since: 13 Aug 2011)


Wow, you're cool

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 01:10 1

105. SniggIy (banned) (Posts: 34; Member since: 13 Aug 2011)


Thanks, I'm aware.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 01:22 4

106. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Uh huh. Payback? Lol, friend, this is about the most pathetic payback ever. All you're doing is legitimizing my existence here by showing how much I've pissed you off.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 15:43 1

162. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


lol.. wow, taco has really flipped his lid, hasnt he?

Taco, you sir are pathetic.. really really pathetic.. lol

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 01:54

108. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Now i'm confused here, who's who ???
Who's the real sniggly here ???
I suppose it's sniggly with the new picture, that's the real one here. Now who's the fake one... Taco ?

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 01:56

109. Sniggly (Posts: 6490; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


I'm the original Sniggly. You can tell by looking at the URL on the profile page.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 02:14 2

110. pete7625 (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 01 Jul 2010)


This is kinda funny, really. Lol. Who in the world is wasting their time pretending to be you? Obviously someone with no life.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 04:04 2

116. ilia1986 (unregistered)


I bet the fake Sniggly is SJ himself.. he patented your profile, Sniggly, by sketching your picture on a 100$ bill he uses for toilet paper. You're screwed man! :P

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 19:37 1

182. biscutbob (Posts: 82; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


hahahaha you got to the top snig!

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 11:46 3

142. taz89 (Posts: 1946; Member since: 03 May 2011)


some people really must be sad and i mean SAD if they would pretend to be someone else to talk good about apple....get a f***ing life

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 02:19 2

111. pete7625 (banned) (Posts: 86; Member since: 01 Jul 2010)


Just ignore him. All he wants is attention. He'll get bored and stop in a few days.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 04:27

117. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


Okay. thought so.
Have you seen my email yet, sent it to you about 10 hrs ago now.

posted on 13 Aug 2011, 09:51 2

128. shayan (Posts: 134; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


And, the real snigly doesnt sound like a moron in his every single post...

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