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Apple wins case against Samsung in the Netherlands

0. phoneArena 24 Aug 2011, 10:04 posted on

Patent battles between Apple and Samsung are taking place on several arenas throughout the world, and a Dutch court in the city of The Hague is exactly one of them. Those who keep a close eye on things...

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posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:20 3

40. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Oh ok. Essentially you're saying that this:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4095/4745619237_e4acca1dea.jpg

looks like this:

http://cellphonequick.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Samsung-Galaxy-S-4G-Menu.jpg

Well holy crap! How about that?

http://conversations.nokia.com/wp-content/uploads/products-and-services-symbian-s60-5th-edition-rolls-out.jpg

This also looks a lot like it! Maybe Apple should sue Nokia?

Or that?

http://www.kombinator.co.il/uploaded_files/users_profile/re50.560363567.windows_mobile_6_5.jpg

Or that?

http://cdn.feelphones.com/wp-content/uploads/Samsung-Wave-S8500-Bada-SDK.jpg

See? I don't think that Apple owns a patent for A FRIKKEN GRID OF ICONS. And if they did - it would have been UTTERLY RIDICULOUS. Just like their claims are for patent infringement.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:29

44. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Never said they couldnt use icons but the design of the icons and the way it is laid out with the 4 on the bottom is very simmilar.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:40 2

52. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Similar? Yes. So what? Apple doesn't own a patent on that! There are many many many products which are similar in the industry. I don't hear some TV manufacturer suing all others, because they use similar designs. And TV's ARE more similar than smartphones can ever be, design wise.

If Samsung had used something like this:

http://www.geardiary.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/fake-iphone1.jpg

I would understand. But seriously? What, one is not allowed to have a smartphone with a square icon grid 4x5 on which the buttom row stays fixed, and the top 4x4 grid is divided by pages?

Apple doesn't own a patent on that - and as I said - if it did - it would have been ridiculous.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:42

55. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


No they cant read whateevr mans post he is correct.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 10:33 1

15. jura21 (Posts: 30; Member since: 20 Jun 2011)


Fayez....the fact is that only the lockscreen and gallery app needs to be changed...and samsung electronics's official twitter account just tweeted that they'll continue selling the phones with the firmware update included...they still have 2 months to update the firmware :)...and as for US launch, its unaffected....the court hearing is on october and samsung has a healthy 3-4 months to provide them updates, if they loose at all in US

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 10:33 8

16. ilia1986 (unregistered)


I think we should all be glad the Apple is only in the consumer electronics business. Imagine if it were in the food, drink, clothing, and broadcasting business... the horror.

Oh, wait - someone has already thought of that - and written a book on it. It's called "1984", and that person is known as George Orwell.

Apple = evil. No other way around it, folks. I am not even going to do my usual arguing with the iSheep idiots taco and Miz here.

I hope that Samsung wins - this, and the tablet case - and sends Apple deep down to bankruptcy. They deserve nothing less.

At least Microsoft didn't try to ban Firefox and Chrome when they emerged, and the majority of people used IE6. Afaik.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 16:16

126. downphoenix (Posts: 2416; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


ironically back in 1984 they released an ad on the Superbowl for the Mac which mocked PC as being like Big Brother in 1984, now in 2011 the roles have reversed.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 10:37 4

20. Moo (unregistered)


To believe iliaa1986 that Apple has turned out to be worse than Micro$oft is just sad sad sad.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 10:42 8

23. ilia1986 (unregistered)


You ever recall MS trying to ban OSX sales? Ever? Or Linux distribution? Or you know - claiming that Symbian or iOS looks a lot like Windows Mobile?

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 10:51 9

24. Moo (unregistered)


At least Gates is giving away his fortune to help others.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:00 7

27. ilia1986 (unregistered)


At least MS doesn't confine you into it's own ecosystem.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 15:46

119. LionStone (Posts: 468; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)


Yep, and when they asked SJ to join them he declined. Once I told my kids that, it was enough for them to be anti-i as well.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:08 4

32. ztedac (Posts: 69; Member since: 17 May 2010)


free ipad, iphone, ieverything for Netherland judge
donated by ijob and the unspeakable fruit

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:09 7

33. WHAT!!!!!!!! (unregistered)


Samsung didn't copy apple in terms of call quality

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 16:46

138. remixfa (Posts: 14172; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


thank god!

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:09 1

34. middle (unregistered)


samsung should remove their middle home button design,it is ugly and copy iphone middle button style. just give us standart 4 capacitive button like moto,LG and HTC and nobody will say SGS II copying iphone design anymore. i hope apple dont win the competition using patent battle, it so coward.
keep up the good work samsung, i hope you will make your own signature design and i believe it will be great too

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:12 1

36. jura21 (Posts: 30; Member since: 20 Jun 2011)


http://www.osnews.com/story/25098/Apple_Scores_Meaningless_Dutch_Court_Victory_Against_Samsung

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:13 4

37. jura21 (Posts: 30; Member since: 20 Jun 2011)


touchwiz and iOS similarity thrown out coz Nokia 7710 had squared icons that needed tap to open feature :)...

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:15 5

38. jura21 (Posts: 30; Member since: 20 Jun 2011)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Compaq_TC1100

this too saved samsung :)

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 18:03

145. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


You're on a roll jura21..lol

The LG Prada and a phone called the Neonode saved them too. Probably Samsung's own digital photo frame too.

Basically.....all stuff BEFORE the iPhone and iPad. lol

But Samsung is the copycat...right.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:25

41. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)


No way Adolph Jobs bribes, he blackmails. Why give up money when he can get the job done for free, pics of the judge in compromising position yes, bribery no

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:27 6

42. andro (unregistered)


http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/24/netherlands-judge-rules-that-samsung-galaxy-s-s-ii-violate-appl/

the above update does in fact show that this ban has been over thrown but even the most blind isheep should now see how Greedy,jealous and a sore loser Apple really is.
The worst thing is Apple will be so frustrated and losing and falling behind that the mental ambush on isheep will be increased and they will end being conned into,i mean spending more money on apple so called upgraded products.

Its good to see Apple has become a daily laughing stock across the world though!

An APPLE can be rotten and have worms inside.......isheep will still eat it anyways!

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:30 4

45. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)


I think the outcome was fair. After all that, the only thing infringed upon was the scrolling and to be perfectly honest, the first time I saw the TouchWiz app draw I thought "Ugh! That looks too much like iOS". And the fact that Samsung took Android's borderless icons and added those stupid squares behind them seemed to be a deliberate attempt to make it look like an iPhone. But this should be a very simple process to change, even for Samsung (We all know they haven't had the greatest history of updating their devices.) Either way, I will be getting the GS2 and my first download will be Launcher Pro. And no other oem uses that scrolling style, so this ruling won't have much weight in the US.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:39 2

50. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Great post i agree with you. Illea you listening.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:46 5

57. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Oi, I'm listening. And I do admit that the S1 app drawer looks a lot like iOS. Still, a Philips TV looks a lot like a Gruindig TV. No reason to demand the ban of either one here..

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:55 2

59. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


Ii jusy want a fine no ban.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 12:12 2

65. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Really? Not the last time I heard. And besides nobody @ the TV business is doing that either. Or the toilet paper industry. Or the elevator industry. Or the hotdog industry.

Imagine if McDonalds sued other manufacturers for including ROUND hamburgers in their products.. or for using elongated chips.. or for including ketchup in their products!

Ridiculous/

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 13:51 2

86. corps1089 (Posts: 492; Member since: 20 Jan 2010)


Agreed.
in the US, there is supposed to be a test before a patent is to be awarded: the patent cannot be for an improvement/idea that would be reasonably obvious to an individual familiar with the industry.
For example: in the toilet paper industry, you would not be awarded a patent for the idea to make toilet paper softer: it is obvious that softer would be an improvement. You could be awarded a patent for incorporating nanotechnology into toilet paper so that nanobots scrub your a$$ clean: not so obvious.

A patent for scrolling on a touch display is BS: its obvious as an interface. Now we are left arguing 2 legitimate legal and moral sides of this verdict, when the patent should not have been awarded in the first place.

The US patent system is not broken, but a lot more diligence needs to be performed prior to awards.

THe EU patent system on drawings seems crazy to me, but I am just now becoming familiar with it...

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 12:09 8

63. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Without a doubt. Asking to ban all things Samsung (Let's be real, they really wanna ban all things Android) was a bit much. All it does it create a hatred for Apple. At least it does for me.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 13:03 3

72. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Already there, Whatever. Ever since WWDC 2011.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:54

58. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


i am... and I agree. .hi whatever man.. nice to asee you around here.. and biophone.. well hi to you too

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 16:42

135. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Wuzup gallitoking!

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 14:26

97. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


good post good to see someone being reasonable about Samsung's copying. They did do this to themselves because they were definitely trying to mimic the look and feel of the iPhone.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 18:31 3

147. remixfa (Posts: 14172; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


ya acept this has nothing to do with look and feel but with a line of similar code. obivously like everything else, you have no idea about coding either.. lol.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 11:36 1

49. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


Lol a useless win for apple...wers all the fanboys that were saying this was a sure win for apple..wonder who they going to cry to now.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 14:22

94. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I don't understand this post. Apple won.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 16:00

123. LionStone (Posts: 468; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)


Really? What do you think they won? All that they are winning at is losing respect from more and more iusers, which is why more and more people are dumping that little idevice :-)

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 16:28

130. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


The title of the article is below. Are you having a hard time reading? They won the case because the court agreed that Samsung is copying Apple.

Of course fandroids spin this into somehow being a win for Samsung and supposedly there is no copying happening. How is it that Apple keeps winning these cases then?

"Apple wins case against Samsung in the Netherlands; Galaxy S, SII and Ace will be sold there no more"

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 17:29 1

143. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


yes they ''won'' but considering that what the patent infingement that they win can easily be changed by samsung which would allow the galaxy devices to still be sold so they have not really gained anything from this..also what this article fails to say is that apple failed with the look and feel of the device which apple were really gunning for..so the fact that samsung can get around this, how is this a significant win for apple

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 18:34 2

148. remixfa (Posts: 14172; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


taco,
THIS report is sensationalism brought apon by an initial read of what was going on at the court. Every other site that actually updated the story as it went along changed the story tremendously. This article on PA is so wrong its not funny. If you havent noticed, most of us have read other sources today and actually read what went on, not basing our iOpinions on this dated PA article.

Apple didnt win... well not in the way that u keep trying to think they won. And its not really a win, its a gotcha that samsung has plenty of time to fix. Its a simple change to a line of code.
And the judge said once its fixed apple can never bring up that patent again in that country.

posted on 25 Aug 2011, 06:34

193. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


Some will always be a blind fanboy sadly and regardless of what anyone says, it will just cone out the other ear.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 17:04 1

139. ztedac (Posts: 69; Member since: 17 May 2010)


i think you need to throw out your iphone/ipad
parts of it is made by the company you hate the most: Samsung

=]

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 17:16

140. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


Maybe its the fact that Samsung was getting sued for icons and hardware too, remember?

The LG Prada came up in court...out went the hardware part. Icons...the judge probably just laughed.

All they got called out on was 3 patents that looks to be only 1 now. And that can be fixed with an update. This was a waste of time.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 12:05 1

62. GALAXY-S (Posts: 701; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


Maybe its a good thing that this is happening to samsung, Samsung will just have to step up there game and come up with a better UI and leave that crappy ass ios looking TW, i really love samsungs hardware and screens it has much more potential than iphone, so come on samsung get on with it!! bring then to the U.S too!!!!

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 12:10

64. lls (unregistered)


I agree that the first icrap had a lot of affect on mobile industry but in my opinion if there weren't any other smartphones except iphones, then the iPhones wouldn't also make so much improvement generation by generation. My point is that its competition that makes progress, so apple fanboys also shouldn't be so happy of this kind of sueings going on and on

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 12:34 1

67. jacko (unregistered)


im holding my sgs ll in front of me now and im sure that judge was blind or steve headjob gave him money and a blowjob on the side and i got a ipod touch and wtf they look nothing alike and gallery app wtf thats stock android

at the end of the day apple is pissed scared of samsung coz there bringing something new out all the time apple is like s**t we better put a stop to sales coz we'll have to copy notifications pull down anyone and put more things in our next iphone in stand if putting 1 or 2 things every year so isheep can buy the next 1 every year and not also the sales the sgs ll is getting

i stand im my point that apple is s**t scared
and only isheep would say no coz there brainwashed and in denial

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 12:35 1

69. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


A patent is a set of exclusive rights granted by a state (national government) to an inventor or their assignee for a limited period of time in exchange for the public disclosure of an invention.

The procedure for granting patents, the requirements placed on the patentee, and the extent of the exclusive rights vary widely between countries according to national laws and international agreements. Typically, however, a patent application must include one or more claims defining the invention which must be new, non-obvious, and useful or industrially applicable



ps.. and no Mc Donalds cannot sued becuase other people used round meat...

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 12:39 4

70. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


I hope this would teach Samsung and the other copycats a lesson. Even before the iphone, Samsung was already known for being a copycat to whatever is the hottest device in the market. They have copied designs from a lot of Nokia devices in the past, like the N95, and also some Blackberry phones, etc. Now, they're copying iDevices. Difference is, unlike Nokia, Apple does not tolerate copycats.

This will be good for Samsung. If they learn from this, this would push them to grow and be more creative and innovative with their hardware and UI designs. They definitely already have the technology. They just need to come up with their own hardware and UI ideas.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 13:28 4

77. PeterIfromsweden (Posts: 1230; Member since: 03 Aug 2011)


youre so wrong.
The only phone from samsung that has looked like a copy is the galaxy ace.
Samsung had a phone before the iphone that looked like a iphone...

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 13:41 2

81. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Sorry, but the courts agree with me, not with you.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 15:29 2

118. ngo2dd (Posts: 793; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


Did you even read the ruling? I guess you did not.http://www.osnews.com/story/25098/Apple_Scores_Meaningless_Dutch_Court_Victory_Against_Samsung.
Apple only won because of the gallery app which Samsung is changing. Most of the design patient were rule invalid along with the other two patient.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 16:08 1

125. LionStone (Posts: 468; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)


Key word: INVALID!! LOL! Love it...maybe, just maybe, jobs will learn from this.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 17:19 3

141. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


E X A C T L Y! Icons, thrown out; hardware, thrown out.

So... Samsung is a copy cat for infringing on ONE patent? LMAO!!

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 18:36 1

149. remixfa (Posts: 14172; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i dont think ibots can read. they are all repeating the same wrong crap and not one of them has actually read the real article other than the incorrect sensationalism on PA.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 19:16

156. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Didn't you read the title? It said Apple won the case. Regardless whether Apple won on all complaints, they were able to have Samsung devices banned, or at least suspended from sale.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 19:57 1

162. remixfa (Posts: 14172; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


so.. the title is the whole story? the title is ment to grab your attention. the title ISNT factual.

Apple won on 1 of like 10 complaints. if you score 1 out of 10 tries in a game, your the loser most likely.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 22:42

167. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


And that 1 wasnt even a major score...lol. Hardware woulda been MAJOR.

I can guarantee Samsung has big smiles on their faces. Especially since what they got sued for was actually in Android, not Touchwiz...if I'm reading the updated news correctly.

So Apple needs to just try to sue Google for Android. I would LOVE to see that one.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 13:15 3

73. amanojyaku (unregistered)


Apple is just scared of what business they will lose. People have the freedom of choice to either product. Seriously if apple has their way now the whole world will end up using only apple products.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 13:40 1

80. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


It's not about Apple being scared. It's about protecting their investments. Apple banks a lot on their software and hardware designs. That's their bread and butter. Apple is also very religious in keeping their traditions and plans in releasing their products in accordance to their timeline. They are ahead of the game. But, there are other tech companies who are capable of matching their hardware technology, or even surpass it (like Samsung). That only leaves Apple with their innovative designs and robust software. If the others copy their product designs and UI (which sets them apart from the rest), it will disrupt Apple's masterplan and tradition of their product releases. Apple products would lose its uniqueness and premium status, and there would be no more reason why consumers would pay premium when there are other identical devices with better specs.

posted on 24 Aug 2011, 16:21 2

128. LionStone (Posts: 468; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)


Sorry buddy, apple has already lost their uniqueness and premium status and there already is no reason why consumers should pay premium when there are other devices with better specs that do more and cost less or equal to. Apple is smart enough to know this, therefore trying to stifle the competition. Everyone can see this, so quit trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

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