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Apple vs the world: just how big are the 1.5-micron pixels on the iPhone 5s' camera

0. phoneArena 13 Sep 2013, 09:49 posted on

With the initial buzz around Apple's iPhone 5s introduction, things are finally settling in place, and everyone has had some time to soak everything that transpired right in...

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posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:30 5

36. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3740; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Ahead of it's time?!? Why? How will 64-bit make a real world difference in anything.

If Apple really wanted to turn heads they would make a new looking iPhone with a larger screen. How about 4.5 to 4.7 inches for a start.

Read my post 27, there will be no difference in gaming. It's just something they needed to say to justify the same BORING design.

That is the "simple equation".

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:45 1

51. jacko1977 (Posts: 382; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)


thats what they said about the og ijunk but all it was stolen ideas

and whos not to say samsung was working on a 64bit cpu

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 12:03 3

80. miket247 (Posts: 81; Member since: 16 Apr 2013)


Dude, isnt just Sammy working on better CPUs. All chip manufacturers are working on advancements from larger flowthrough, to 64 bits, to faster clock speeds, to more cores, to more GPUs, ....let the iCrap boys have there day! They only get it to blow there horns once a year! Andriod users get the other 360 days for there favourite models to out do eachother! I pace of improvement on the Andriod side of the table is much faster than other OS.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 11:49 1

79. Googler (Posts: 813; Member since: 10 Jun 2013)


So the benefit is being first. Simple truth is the iPhone really doesn't need it, but it was first so we'll give that to Apple.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 19:31 4

110. theaztech (Posts: 49; Member since: 13 Sep 2013)


does the iphone 5s have andhd screen? NO
does the iphone 5s have a 13mp camera? NO
does the iphone 5s have a quad core processor? NO
does the iphone 5s have 3 gigs of ram? NO
does the iphone 5s have 4k recording capabilites? NO
does the iphone 5s hardware better then its competitors? NO.

How is the iPhone 5s ahead of its time? you guys didnt get 4g till last year.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:29 1

34. rawbow (Posts: 406; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


Wait till samsung announces it, you'll have all the details and support by then...oh wait...they have already hinted at doing that>> deal with progress of other companies..in other words "forward thinking".

Oh btw, while you are at it try not to be so one sided in your arguments. People still want a well built phone with fluid performance out of the box. Also, that much performance in a thin and 4 inch phone fits the bill for many.

If I have to criticize apple for something, it would be because of not introducing another iPhone with a bigger screen option.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:32 5

39. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7300; Member since: 14 May 2012)


I'm pro Apple, but the iPhone 5S is the biggest disappointment of 2013.

-Sent from my Mac

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 12:20

85. miket247 (Posts: 81; Member since: 16 Apr 2013)


Hey Papa, they make good products and I wish they made the 5B - for bigger screen! But not this year, so ya, like you I agree, Big disappointment for 2013. The investors agree, cause Apple's stock is taking another beating....just like last year when the 5 came out and they thought it didnt go far enough to impress!

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 12:14

84. miket247 (Posts: 81; Member since: 16 Apr 2013)


I WISH that the 5B came out with a bigger screen 4.5 - 4.8 inch, instead of the 5Cheap. I am looking to get a new phone and thought a bigger iPhone with small bezels was a sure thing! I have used both OS and being a big guy with big hands/fingers, I need a bigger phone than 4 inch! Too bad Apple is ignoring another part of the market. When they do finally bring out a bigger phone, its going to be TOO LATE for many of us big guys & gals.

posted on 14 Sep 2013, 08:21

125. KingKong (Posts: 1; Member since: 14 Sep 2013)


"Oh btw, while you are at it try not to be so one sided in your arguments. People still want a well built phone with fluid performance out of the box. Also, that much performance in a thin and 4 inch phone fits the bill for many."

Well said. I switched from an iPhone 5 to Nexus 4, and this made me realize why I liked the iPhone 5 so much...it's light, slim, and usable with one hand, which is how I use the phone most of the time. My small hand gets crampy holding the Nexus 4 after a few minutes, especially while using my pinky to hold the bottom of the phone and typing with my thumb
(which is almost impossible). However, I won't go back to the iPhone because the widgets and shortcuts of Android outweighs the physical convenience of the iPhone...although I keep changing my mind all the time. That's just to say that for many people (non-techies), "usefulness" or "convenience" is just as important has high specs or big screens.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 11:02 1

64. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5523; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


That iOS can address memory that is not present, not to mention that apps can't take advantage of the non-existent memory, because there is no 64-bit SDK? aka Total vapor. Or, total gimmick.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 11:39 2

73. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 794; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


WRONG. You couldn't be more wrong. XCode is already running 64-bit.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 12:24

86. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)


Yeah no need to have facts to back up your opinions. It's a minor detail at best.

What's the benefit of a 64 bit processor?

At best it increases performance. At worst it's future-proofing the device.

That should be a familiar term to Android folk.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 13:20 2

92. willard12 (Posts: 686; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


"Future proofing. " In what year will they insert 4 gigs of ram into the 5s?

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:25 2

27. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3740; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


It is a gimmick, HONESTLY how much better will games be on Apple's iPhone 5s compared to Samsung's Galaxy Note III. You WILL NOTICE NO DIFFERENCE, well except for screen size...

Gimmick DEFINITELY!!!

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 16:30

102. -box- (Posts: 3707; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


It's a gimmick until there is software able to utilize it, which is why we didn't see significant performance gains with the 64-bit processors until there was a 64-bit version of Windows and software companies made 64-bit versions of their products.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:23 4

25. power_x (Posts: 204; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)


i smell a jealous fan
S4 is 1 micron
5S is 1.5 micron
deal with it

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:26 7

28. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7300; Member since: 14 May 2012)


HTC One is 2 microns. Comment invalid. Thank you come again!

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:27 4

30. power_x (Posts: 204; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)


HTC One is 4MP only. Your comment is invalid , thanks for trying !

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:29 5

33. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7300; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Doesn't matter. Don't try to make an argument and turn the tables when it's not in your favor. :)

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:39 4

46. power_x (Posts: 204; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)


4MP is better than 8MP
hahahahahahahahahaha

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:51 3

55. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7300; Member since: 14 May 2012)


MP doesn't mean anything. Clearly you don't know what you're talking about.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:53

58. power_x (Posts: 204; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)


now it doesnt mean anything beacause the HTC One is lacking on it

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:55 6

59. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7300; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Tell me again how HTC was able to pull off better results with a 4MP than the one found on the iPhone 5, especially in low light?

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 12:27

87. bigstrudel (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Aug 2012)


They didn't.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 13:23 3

94. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1546; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)


Oh but they did ugly bald man

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 20:20

113. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Lmao™
Ugly bald man...

posted on 14 Sep 2013, 05:44

124. power_x (Posts: 204; Member since: 28 Aug 2013)


no they didnt
check every website about the camera of HTC One
it only works good in low light , but in light it is awefuk

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 11:46 1

76. 0kax0el0 (Posts: 36; Member since: 15 Nov 2012)


You're right, Moto X and iPhone5 have a 1.4up, but MotoX 10MP camera still lags behind the iPhone5 8MP camera... so, MP doesn't really count.

I love Moto phones, but, truth be told, their cameras are awful... in comparison.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 13:22

93. willard12 (Posts: 686; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)


S4 has 13 mps. So now, MPs matter? Specs don't matter to iphone fans....until they find one they have that is actually higher.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:38

44. xtian1103 (Posts: 352; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)


it seems you're right

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:49 2

54. jacko1977 (Posts: 382; Member since: 11 Feb 2012)


and apple still has to take pics with a dslr and say the ijunk 5s took them

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 23:46

117. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1088; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


Don't fight. Switch. #Lumia

lol

posted on 14 Sep 2013, 00:50

119. shreyas.s666 (Posts: 80; Member since: 24 Aug 2012)


wait., in the keynote Tim cook says apple 5S is the only smartphone with 1.5μ pixel size. what a lie.

posted on 14 Sep 2013, 03:12

122. daniel_bargs (Posts: 323; Member since: 27 Nov 2010)


hahaha this replies for comment #4 are hilarious! Like those Microsoft ads showing Apple and Android guys fighting over whose the best... hahahahhahahahhaha ! cRZZYYY organisms!

posted on 15 Sep 2013, 11:05

128. eldood (Posts: 2; Member since: 15 Sep 2013)


Doods, What's with all the infantile hubris???? Apple makes great phones, so do other manufacturers. Hopefully Blackberry will come back, and guess who is better of? We all are!!!! If it weren't for Samsung, Moto and others breathing down apples neck, Apple would just be another microsoft, and then you would see just advertising gimmicks, like you see from microsoft now. 64 bit processing is quite an achievement, not an advertising gimmick. If you go to the imagination store and spend a buck, you can see what's coming down the road. The phone will replace your computer. You'll just walk over to your desk, your phone will connect to the 27" flat screen and kb/m over bluetooth, and you're cooking. If apple didn't exist, Samsung wouldn't be making great phones. Look at the crap they made before apple got in the market. So doods, relax, take a valium and lie down.

El dood

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 09:57 4

2. clevername (Posts: 1427; Member since: 11 Jul 2008)


These pixels are only 100 millimeters larger than in the iPhone 5. That's not a huge improvement.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:23 11

23. ArtSim98 (Posts: 2178; Member since: 21 Dec 2012)


What? I didn't understand. 100 mm? The whole iPhone isn't that wide.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 11:46 1

77. taikucing (unregistered)


go home troll, you're drunk

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 09:58

3. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7300; Member since: 14 May 2012)


I honestly can't wait for the next camera test.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:09 3

7. rawbow (Posts: 406; Member since: 30 Mar 2012)


I would not say that the pictures that Apple released in their launch event were not tinkered with in any way but if the jellyfish photo is for real. That'd be impressive.

Looking forward for a comparo with Z1 and 1020

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 11:06 1

66. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5523; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Need to add the G2 to your comparo list.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 16:31

103. -box- (Posts: 3707; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


maybe the note3 as well? Did they do anything to its camera?

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 23:15

116. sniper1087 (Posts: 331; Member since: 31 Dec 2011)


They didnt talk about camera on the event, except for 4K recording, so no should be exactly the same as the S4

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:13

9. bossmt_2 (Posts: 429; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)


It's gonna take great photos, won't be a shocker. But the tech angle they took I found to be amusing. Very unJobs.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:13 6

12. bucky (Posts: 1287; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


One thing everyone can agree on is the iPhone has always had a pretty good camera. If they improve the night time photos further ill be happy with that.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:15

13. Sauce (unregistered)


Where's the Lemona.... I mean, Hatorade Stand. So much going around lately.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:16

14. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


So that “much larger than most competitive phones” line applies to the Galaxy S4 and...yeah, that's about it.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:18

16. Sauce (unregistered)


And the tons of other phones that are not listed.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:31 1

38. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


The article covers all the major flagships except the G2. And out of those, only the S4 meets Apple's claim. That's enough for me to call BS.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:38 1

43. Sauce (unregistered)


Touche'

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 11:08

67. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5523; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


"That's enough for me to call BS."

Or, Gimmick. Personally, I think gimmick is more applicable.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 13:08 1

90. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


You could call the 2 µm HTC pixels a gimmick, too. Most don't. But comparing 1.5 µm to "most of the competition" when they're at 1.4... that's some serious spin.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:40

47. darkvadervip (Posts: 289; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)


I feel it's time for another Nokia fight commercial with these comments going on. Lol! Yall better hope Microsoft doesn't unleash something big with this next update to make it par with ios or adroid and a ton of apps drop at the same time.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:52

56. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7300; Member since: 14 May 2012)


Microsoft released one about two weeks ago. Best commercial of the season.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 21:36

115. cosimonh (Posts: 10; Member since: 27 Apr 2013)


can you post link? I wanna watch it!

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:56

61. justsayit (Posts: 153; Member since: 09 May 2013)


this year iphone already not the top in smartphone
most people already "love" to other device like LG G2(most perfect smartphone,atleast until today,best all section), lumia 1020(atleast for its camera,3-axis ois, i know here got many wp haters), xperia z1(really huge improve from last flagship xperia z,but not my taste XP i not sony fans),htc one(also a nice device great design)

iphone 5s and note 3 , both is just same like old year model, just add some feature,improve cpu,same design and more....

just my opinions and also sorry for my broken english :(
welcome for correct me

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 10:57

62. theruleslawyer (Posts: 108; Member since: 23 Apr 2012)


I'm glad they are focusing on the larger pixels rather than more MP. I'd much rather see everyone compete to have the largest sensor possible than this highest mp possible. 20-40mp pixels on a camera phone are rediculous. We are getting well over the diffraction limit resolution. IE physics says the pixels are useless even with a perfect lens. Even pixel binning is a waste with the ultra high resolution as you lose some surface area every time you subdevide. 4x small pixels does not equal one larger pixel covering the same area. In reality we should stop around 12 maybe upto 16mp (I'd have to redo the math sometime) Just for example the pixel size on the HTC is about the smallest useful size. For a 2 micrometer pixel, and apeture above 1.4 is wasted. Most camera phones don't get even down to f2, so you're looking at a airy diameter sevel times the pixel size on a lot of phones. However you can get upto about 2-3 the airy disk before it becomes a real problem with a perfect lens.

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 11:24

69. Doctor_Drei (Posts: 18; Member since: 27 Jul 2013)


in short, it is just a marketing gimmick

posted on 13 Sep 2013, 14:28

97. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 794; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


Except it's not. It's obvious you know nothing about cameras or photography. 1.4 to 1.5 is a 14.8% increase, and it will make a huge difference. The improvements may not look like much on a press release, but the 5s will take better pics in normal light better than every flagship, and better low-light than all but the 1020.

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